Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS

2010-12-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 12:48 +0100, Arnold Krille wrote: On Friday 17 December 2010 10:36:47 Philipp Überbacher wrote: I guess it really depends on what you try to achieve. Afaik the average life-span of a HD is puny 2 years. From what I heard the magnetic tapes used by for example ESA a

Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS

2010-12-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-12-16 at 07:41 +, Folderol wrote: On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 03:45:23 +0100 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: You can't remember it, because they cleaned your memory at Gitmo ;). Anyway, are you able to prove that Gene is mistaken, regarding to his 'paranoia

Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS

2010-12-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-12-16 at 13:38 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-16 at 07:41 +, Folderol wrote: On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 03:45:23 +0100 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: You can't remember it, because they cleaned your memory at Gitmo ;). Anyway, are you able

Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS

2010-12-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-12-16 at 08:13 -0500, gene heskett wrote: On Thursday, December 16, 2010 08:12:34 am Arnold Krille did opine: On Thursday 16 December 2010 01:13:24 Dan Kegel wrote: On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 10:48 PM, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: Now, if we can just get a law that

Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS

2010-12-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-12-16 at 14:38 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-16 at 08:13 -0500, gene heskett wrote: On Thursday, December 16, 2010 08:12:34 am Arnold Krille did opine: On Thursday 16 December 2010 01:13:24 Dan Kegel wrote: On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 10:48 PM, gene heskett ghesk

Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS

2010-12-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-12-16 at 14:25 -0800, Dan Kegel wrote: On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Tim E. Real termt...@rogers.com wrote: The amiga is actually fairly late model here folks, I started with a quest super elf I built from a kit. Circa '77. 1802 CPU fan here too. Mine was RCA COSMAC VIP

Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS

2010-12-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-12-16 at 23:24 +, Dan Mills wrote: On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 00:11 +0100, David Olofson wrote: good gas tight join And exactly this was the problem for this amplifier, corrosion. To be fair, I've got a Peavey KB 300 in the storeroom, sometimes it needs a hit, when in use and I

Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS

2010-12-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 05:14 -0500, gene heskett wrote: On Wednesday, December 15, 2010 05:01:58 am Tim E. Real did opine: On December 14, 2010 10:04:10 pm Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 02:47 +, Harry Van Haaren wrote: On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 2:40 AM, Ralf Mardorf

Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS

2010-12-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 16:41 +0100, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: On 12/15/2010 11:14 AM, gene heskett wrote: Ralf I suspect, if he were to use pgp, would be like me, and only trust pgp-2.6.2a, the last one before they put Zimmerman in jail for a few years. I have often said, and have been

Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS

2010-12-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 17:18 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 16:41 +0100, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: On 12/15/2010 11:14 AM, gene heskett wrote: Ralf I suspect, if he were to use pgp, would be like me, and only trust pgp-2.6.2a, the last one before they put Zimmerman

Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS

2010-12-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 16:41 +0100, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: On 12/15/2010 11:14 AM, gene heskett wrote: Ralf I suspect, if he were to use pgp, would be like me, and only trust pgp-2.6.2a, the last one before they put Zimmerman in jail for a few years. I have often said, and have been

Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS

2010-12-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 21:50 +0100, David Olofson wrote: ...or the FBI just *said* they couldn't do it, to lull us all into a false sense of security. Exactly! ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org

Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS

2010-12-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 21:47 +0100, Arnold Krille wrote: On Wednesday 15 December 2010 20:40:20 Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 19:56 +0100, Arnold Krille wrote: On Wednesday 15 December 2010 16:41:32 Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: On 12/15/2010 11:14 AM, gene heskett wrote

Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS

2010-12-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 17:42 -0500, gene heskett wrote: history being written by the winners, so the whole thing may have been white washed to a high polish by now. People who put their telephone handset into a thingy to be able to do data telecommunication, before there was the Internet for

Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS

2010-12-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 17:48 -0500, gene heskett wrote: On Wednesday, December 15, 2010 05:44:12 pm Dan Kegel did opine: On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 3:03 AM, Dan Kegel d...@kegel.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Harry Van Haaren harryhaa...@gmail.com wrote: Anybody know of a

Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS

2010-12-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-12-16 at 05:02 +0100, Jens M Andreasen wrote: On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 19:45 -0500, gene heskett wrote: ... but what his own page says now, does not match the emails flying around about it back in the day. Unforch, to be able to back that up, I would have to have an email

Re: [LAD] envy24control, resp. it's successor

2010-12-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 13:36 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 06:47 -0500, David Santamauro wrote: Hi Niels, On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 17:36:11 -0700 Niels Mayer nielsma...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net

Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS

2010-12-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 13:14 +, Victor Lazzarini wrote: Stallman hitting the mainstream news: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/dec/14/chrome-os-richard-stallman-warning Victor Hi Victor :) a good OT post, thank you and full ACK with Stallman here. I'm not all the time

Re: [LAD] envy24control, resp. it's successor

2010-12-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 09:34 -0500, David Santamauro wrote: On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 13:40:43 +0100 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 13:36 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 06:47 -0500, David Santamauro wrote: Hi Niels, On Mon

Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS

2010-12-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 15:32 -0500, Paul Davis wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 3:28 PM, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: On Tuesday, December 14, 2010 03:27:37 pm Victor Lazzarini did opine: Stallman hitting the mainstream news:

Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS

2010-12-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 02:47 +, Harry Van Haaren wrote: On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 2:40 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: A lot of people do, but perhaps they do it for mails that anyway are in public, e.g. to correspond to mailing lists

Re: [LAD] Is there a Linux Software Mixer?

2010-11-30 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2010-11-30 at 08:52 -0500, Paul Davis wrote: On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 1:37 AM, Rory Filer rfl...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] I think you've walked away with slightly the wrong message here. [snip] The only two servers worth considering are PulseAudio or JACK and they are quite different.

Re: [LAD] Is there a Linux Software Mixer?

2010-11-29 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2010-11-29 at 01:42 +0100, Julien Claassen wrote: [snip] There are other apps. I think even just mixer apps. I think most of them prefer JACK. Kindly yours Julien Patrick Shirkey's jackEQ was (and I guess it still is ;) a simple, but very usable and stable mixer and it

Re: [LAD] panning thoughts

2010-11-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-11-14 at 06:27 -0500, Paul Davis wrote: this would suggest that either you don't do panning automation I'm not using the current SVN version of Rui's Qtractor, but yes, Qtractor 0.4.7 has got no automation. On Sun, 2010-11-14 at 11:18 +, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: My question:

Re: [LAD] panning thoughts

2010-11-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2010-11-13 at 11:54 +0100, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 09:07:35AM +, Folderol wrote: Why not go the whole hog and use a pre-calculated look-up table for the whole thing? You only need to compute the L,R gains when they change. Using a second order

Re: [LAD] panning thoughts

2010-11-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2010-11-13 at 16:04 +0100, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 02:17:46PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Is there a 'most common value' for the centre? Most will be -3..-4 dB. -6 dB definitely feels wrong. Ciao, Thank you :) so I assume this is what I know from

Re: [LAD] panning thoughts

2010-11-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2010-11-13 at 16:26 +0100, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 02:57:44PM +, Folderol wrote: Paul Davis p...@linuxaudiosystems.com wrote: there's an awful lot of math for which a modern processor can compute the answer faster than it can look it up. this

Re: [LAD] panning thoughts

2010-11-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
myself, but for Qtractor this does a good job. Don't trust my shot in the dark: Alternating voltage is switching between 0 and it's max., hence it's higher, but the nominal voltage by the factor of 1.41, perhaps it has to do with this issue. On Nov 11, 2010, at 9:40 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote

Re: [LAD] What do you do for a living?

2010-11-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 18:02 +0100, Guido Scholz wrote: Am Tue, 09. Nov 2010 um 19:17:24 -0800 schrieb Kris C: Yeah, I'd like to work for Google, but who doesn't right? :) I am not sure about that. This is the best comment on this list, written until now. Compliment! I'm sure, but I'm not

Re: [LAD] Musescore music trainer?

2010-11-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 18:32 +0100, Dominique Michel wrote: Le Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:54:58 -0500, Tim E. Real termt...@rogers.com a écrit : On November 11, 2010 11:06:10 pm Dominique Michel wrote: Le Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:43:41 -0300, Camilo Polymeris cpolyme...@gmail.com a écrit :

Re: [LAD] panning thoughts

2010-11-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 20:00 +0100, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 10:40:33AM +0100, Jens M Andreasen wrote: float l = sqrtf(1.0f - p) float r = sqrtf(p) Constant power, but the mapping from angles to L/R ratios is not very good (the regions near full L or R are

Re: [LAD] What do you do for a living?

2010-11-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-11-10 at 23:23 +0100, Arnold Krille wrote: And some people do care about over-crowding our planet some more and therefor have to pay bills;-) ;) Nice argumentation. Btw. I'm not a FLOSS audio software coder anymore, but I was in the 90ies (never for Linux) and at this time I

Re: [LAD] What do you do for a living?

2010-11-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Forwarded Message From: Ralf Mardorf To: Kris Calabio Subject: Re: [LAD] What do you do for a living? Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:23:46 +0100 On Wed, 2010-11-10 at 15:06 -0800, Kris Calabio wrote: Hmm, lot's of anti Google sentiment here? I'm afraid that I was sort

Re: [LAD] panning thoughts

2010-11-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-11-11 at 20:22 -0800, Eric Kampman wrote: Hello, I'm writing a synth module on top of jack and I'm starting to contemplate stereo. I looked up pan law and understand that center should be -3 db (or some say -3.5 or 4.5, whatever) given unity at panned hard L or R. It was

Re: [LAD] What do you do for a living?

2010-11-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-11-10 at 21:31 +0100, Philipp Überbacher wrote: Excerpts from Kris C's message of 2010-11-10 04:17:24 +0100: Hi all, I understand that a lot of you develop for free software and are passionate at what you do. But how do you pay the bills? What do you do for a living?

Re: [LAD] on the soft synth midi jitters ...

2010-10-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 17:59 +1300, Jeff McClintock wrote: I do use licensed software. I am quite anti-piracy If so, than pardon :). Anyway strange, a lot of the famous studios did use Cubase without getting jitter for soft synth, today those studios do use Nuendo. I never experienced jitter for

Re: [LAD] on the soft synth midi jitters ...

2010-10-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 14:39 +0200, David Olofson wrote: On Sunday 10 October 2010, at 10.01.09, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 17:59 +1300, Jeff McClintock wrote: I do use licensed software. I am quite anti-piracy If so, than pardon

Re: [LAD] on the soft synth midi jitters ...

2010-10-09 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 12:37 +0200, Jens M Andreasen wrote: On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 10:12 +1300, Jeff McClintock wrote: Cubase is particularly bad when playing a soft-synth live, esp with larger audio buffer sizes, because ... It could be useful to have some anecdotal evidence to quantify

Re: [LAD] [ANN] Qtractor 0.4.7 - The Furious Desertrix is out!

2010-10-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Hi Rui :) on Suse 11.2 updating from svn failed, so I deleted the directory and co it completely new. There were no issues with building and running Qtractor. When Qtractor was opened, it did ignore my settings for the GUI. The transport and display should be at the bottom, but they were at the

Re: [LAD] [ANN] Qtractor 0.4.7 - The Furious Desertrix is out!

2010-10-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 17:22 -0700, Niels Mayer wrote: Note that there's no such problems if I stick to just MIDI via USB-connected MIDI converters talking to old-fashioned MIDI synths and samplers Is for transport loop sync now ok? For all 0.4.6.x installs on my machine, external MIDI run out

Re: [LAD] Paul's Extreme Sound Stretch

2010-10-01 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2010-10-01 at 17:17 -0400, gene heskett wrote: On Friday, October 01, 2010 05:12:54 pm Philipp Überbacher did opine: Excerpts from gene heskett's message of 2010-10-01 22:07:28 +0200: On Friday, October 01, 2010 04:05:37 pm Folderol did opine: On Fri, 1 Oct 2010 09:51:29 +1000

Re: [LAD] [ANN] Qtractor 0.4.7 - The Furious Desertrix is out!

2010-09-30 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-09-30 at 20:06 +0200, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 06:49:33PM +0100, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: Qtractor 0.4.7 (furious desertrix) is out! Furious Desertrix ? Does that mean it's going to bail out at some time, and insult the user for it ? Like

Re: [LAD] [ANN] Qtractor 0.4.7 - The Furious Desertrix is out!

2010-09-30 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-09-30 at 19:56 +0100, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: On 09/30/2010 07:20 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2010-09-30 at 20:06 +0200, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 06:49:33PM +0100, Rui Nuno Capela wrote: Qtractor 0.4.7 (furious desertrix) is out! Furious

[LAD] envy24control, resp. it's successor

2010-09-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Pardon, I didn't follow the progress of envy24control. Did you finish the recently development and if so, where can we/I get the latest source code? Cheers! Ralf ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org

Re: [LAD] Fwd: Claim: Microsoft Pressured Digidesign to Deny Support of GNU/Linux

2010-08-27 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 08:40 -0700, Niels Mayer wrote: Comments anybody :-) http://techrights.org/2010/08/27/throwing-a-wrench-at-protools/ ... I have heard from a reliable source, inside Digidesign, that they actually have Protools running on Linux, and that the port

Re: [LAD] [LAU] mudita24 1.02 -- improved envy24control mixer/router for ice1712-based sound-cards

2010-08-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Please take a look using Audacity regarding to the noise/ signal ratio, at least -144dB IMO seems to be a little bit to bold for common Envy24 cards. I feared to reply earlier, because I know that my input sometimes isn't wanted. I guess around - 90dB it becomes hard to differ between noise and

Re: [LAD] [LAU] mudita24 1.02 -- improved envy24control mixer/router for ice1712-based sound-cards

2010-08-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 22:04 +0200, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 12:42:49PM -0700, Niels Mayer wrote: On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 1:35 PM, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: Not really, EQ normally being pre-fader. Post-fader meters in a mixer strip are useful only of the

Re: [LAD] [LAU] mudita24 1.02 -- improved envy24control mixer/router for ice1712-based sound-cards

2010-08-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 12:42 -0700, Niels Mayer wrote: On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 1:35 PM, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: Not really, EQ normally being pre-fader. Post-fader meters in a mixer strip are useful only of the signal being metered is actually one that is physically available on some

Re: [LAD] [LAU] mudita24 1.02 -- improved envy24control mixer/router for ice1712-based sound-cards

2010-08-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 23:13 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 12:42 -0700, Niels Mayer wrote: On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 1:35 PM, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: Not really, EQ normally being pre-fader. Post-fader meters in a mixer strip are useful only of the signal being

Re: [LAD] [LAU] mudita24 1.02 -- improved envy24control mixer/router for ice1712-based sound-cards

2010-08-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 23:25 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 23:13 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 12:42 -0700, Niels Mayer wrote: On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 1:35 PM, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: Not really, EQ normally being pre-fader. Post-fader meters

Re: [LAD] [LAU] mudita24 1.02 -- improved envy24control mixer/router for ice1712-based sound-cards

2010-08-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-08-11 at 09:09 +1000, Geoff Beasley wrote: boyz, as a longtime user of multiple ice1712 cards (4) in a 'multi' array, one thing envy24contol never offered was a way of assembling or even seeing multiple cards from within a single instance. You can of course address different

Re: [LAD] Attenuation of sounds in 3D space

2010-07-29 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 17:01 +0200, JohnLM wrote: On 2010.07.29. 15:20, Gene Heskett wrote: On Thursday, July 29, 2010 08:52:04 am Jörn Nettingsmeier did opine: john, On 07/29/2010 02:35 PM, JohnLM wrote: So from what I can understand, if I apply doppler effect, distance attenuation

Re: [LAD] Attenuation of sounds in 3D space

2010-07-29 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 17:01 +0200, JohnLM wrote: On 2010.07.29. 15:20, Gene Heskett wrote: On Thursday, July 29, 2010 08:52:04 am Jörn Nettingsmeier did opine: john, On 07/29/2010 02:35 PM, JohnLM wrote: So from what I can understand, if I apply doppler effect, distance attenuation

Re: [LAD] Attenuation of sounds in 3D space

2010-07-29 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 10:00 -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 16:14 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 17:01 +0200, JohnLM wrote: On 2010.07.29. 15:20, Gene Heskett wrote: On Thursday, July 29, 2010 08:52:04 am Jörn Nettingsmeier did opine

Re: [LAD] Attenuation of sounds in 3D space

2010-07-29 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 10:00 -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 16:14 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 17:01 +0200, JohnLM wrote: On 2010.07.29. 15:20, Gene Heskett wrote: On Thursday, July 29, 2010 08:52:04 am Jörn Nettingsmeier did opine

Re: [LAD] Attenuation of sounds in 3D space

2010-07-29 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 19:32 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 10:00 -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 16:14 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 17:01 +0200, JohnLM wrote: On 2010.07.29. 15:20, Gene Heskett wrote: On Thursday, July

Re: [LAD] FIxed alsa-tools' envy24control missing peak level meters and Reset Peaks

2010-07-27 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2010-07-26 at 20:15 -0400, Tim E. Real wrote: On July 16, 2010 10:10:48 pm Tim E. Real wrote: Here we go! snd_mixer_selem_get_playback_dB( ) Problem solved? Accurate or not? Not accurate with AK4524 chip. Read on... I've got two Terratec EWX 24/96, a while ago I checked the

Re: [LAD] twice as loud

2010-07-27 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2010-07-27 at 11:10 -0500, Charles Henry wrote: On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 11:30 PM, Jens M Andreasen jens.andrea...@comhem.se wrote: On Sun, 2010-07-25 at 14:24 +0200, Philipp Überbacher wrote: It would be strange but funny if an estimate of sound A just about masking sound B

Re: [LAD] twice as loud

2010-07-27 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2010-07-27 at 12:14 -0500, Charles Henry wrote: On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Tue, 2010-07-27 at 11:10 -0500, Charles Henry wrote: Because psychoacoustics just hasn't been defined in a way to make hard numbers stick

Re: [LAD] twice as loud

2010-07-27 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2010-07-27 at 14:26 -0500, Charles Henry wrote: To describe the things we can study ethically and scientifically, use numbers. For everything else, use words :) ... words? ... yes, but add music, paintings, dance etc. ;) Full ACK :). Btw. the NAZIs did unethical experiments, while

Re: [LAD] twice as loud

2010-07-27 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2010-07-27 at 15:44 -0500, Charles Henry wrote: On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: It's not impossible. I guess nobody is able to note, let's say, 10 000 pictures a second as single steps for a movie, of course you and I aren't able

[LAD] PS: twice as loud

2010-07-27 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2010-07-27 at 23:06 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2010-07-27 at 15:44 -0500, Charles Henry wrote: On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: It's not impossible. I guess nobody is able to note, let's say, 10 000 pictures a second

Re: [LAD] announcing envy24control, mudita (*) edition.

2010-07-26 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Suse 11.2 amd64 TERRATEC EWX 24/96 No issues to build it. The faders with the +4dBu -10dBV switch here are shorter too. CPU usage when playing and showing the meters around 5%, max around 22%, for 0.6.0 and 1.0.0. CPU usage when playing and moving the DAC faders for 0.6.0 it's around 30%, but

Re: [LAD] announcing envy24control, mudita (*) edition.

2010-07-26 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2010-07-26 at 12:13 +0200, I wrote: Suse 11.2 amd64 TERRATEC EWX 24/96 CPU usage when playing and moving the DAC faders for 0.6.0 it's around 30%, but for 1.0.0 it's 60%. Pardon. CPU usage when playing and moving the DAC faders for 0.6.0 it's 20% 25%, but for 1.0.0 it's 30%

Re: [LAD] announcing envy24control, mudita (*) edition.

2010-07-26 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2010-07-26 at 11:52 +0100, James Morris wrote: On 26 July 2010 11:13, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: After the 'normal' output for both versions I get: '(envy24control:9266): Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page size

Re: [LAD] twice as loud

2010-07-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-07-25 at 03:31 -0400, Tim E. Real wrote: Hey, you know that little triangular flap of skin that almost covers the ear, just above the earlobe? Whaddya think if humans are (were?) to evolve that little flap so it can be completely and tightly pressed against the ear (like

Re: [LAD] twice as loud

2010-07-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-07-25 at 03:31 -0400, Tim E. Real wrote: Hey, you know that little triangular flap of skin that almost covers the ear, just above the earlobe? Whaddya think if humans are (were?) to evolve that little flap so it can be completely and tightly pressed against the ear (like

Re: [LAD] twice as loud

2010-07-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-07-25 at 03:31 -0400, Tim E. Real wrote: Hey, you know that little triangular flap of skin that almost covers the ear, just above the earlobe? Whaddya think if humans are (were?) to evolve that little flap so it can be completely and tightly pressed against the ear (like

Re: [LAD] twice as loud

2010-07-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-07-25 at 12:32 +0200, lieven moors wrote: On 07/25/2010 09:31 AM, Tim E. Real wrote: Hey, you know that little triangular flap of skin that almost covers the ear, just above the earlobe? Whaddya think if humans are (were?) to evolve that little flap so it can be

Re: [LAD] twice as loud

2010-07-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-07-25 at 13:28 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote: On 07/25/2010 12:43 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Just one question. Am I the only one who received a mail similar to this off-list: [ yet more irrelvant mindless crap! ] How does the external ear exactly work? Perhaps it's part

Re: [LAD] STEREO RULES

2010-07-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-07-25 at 17:40 +0200, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 05:21:17PM +0200, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: There are some good mixes for stereo and mono, but at least I never heard a valid mix with more but one ore two channels. I've been to Jörn Nettingsmeier's

Re: [LAD] STEREO RULES

2010-07-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-07-25 at 18:03 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sun, 2010-07-25 at 17:40 +0200, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 05:21:17PM +0200, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: There are some good mixes for stereo and mono, but at least I never heard a valid mix with more

Re: [LAD] Attenuation of sounds in 3D space

2010-07-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2010-07-23 at 10:02 -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: On Fri, 2010-07-23 at 08:51 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2010-07-23 at 01:09 +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: On 07/22/2010 08:42 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: one thing that often gets overlooked: people have learned

Re: [LAD] twice as loud

2010-07-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2010-07-24 at 10:37 +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: On 07/22/2010 11:44 PM, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: Extrapolating a bit, that is one of the reasons why an unamplified singer in an opera theatre can have a dramatic effect that is much stronger than someone yelling into a

Re: [LAD] twice as loud

2010-07-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2010-07-24 at 10:52 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2010-07-24 at 10:37 +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: On 07/22/2010 11:44 PM, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: Extrapolating a bit, that is one of the reasons why an unamplified singer in an opera theatre can have a dramatic

Re: [LAD] twice as loud

2010-07-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2010-07-24 at 11:25 +0200, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 10:58:44AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Apart from that studying this reveals a lot of how our hearing system might actually work, which is an interesting subject in itself. That's true

Re: [LAD] twice as loud

2010-07-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2010-07-24 at 10:07 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: I have gotten up and left many a night club because the music was too loud. OT, but anyway: This is a big problem in Germany. I only visit night clubs when a girlfriend 'force' me to do it and I always wear hearing protection. Now it

Re: [LAD] twice as loud

2010-07-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2010-07-24 at 17:22 +0200, Arnold Krille wrote: On Saturday 24 July 2010 16:22:29 Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2010-07-24 at 10:07 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: I have gotten up and left many a night club because the music was too loud. OT, but anyway: This is a big problem

Re: [LAD] twice as loud

2010-07-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2010-07-24 at 17:44 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2010-07-24 at 17:22 +0200, Arnold Krille wrote: On Saturday 24 July 2010 16:22:29 Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2010-07-24 at 10:07 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: I have gotten up and left many a night club because the music

Re: [LAD] twice as loud

2010-07-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2010-07-24 at 17:46 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2010-07-24 at 17:44 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2010-07-24 at 17:22 +0200, Arnold Krille wrote: On Saturday 24 July 2010 16:22:29 Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2010-07-24 at 10:07 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: I have

Re: [LAD] twice as loud

2010-07-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2010-07-24 at 18:16 +0200, Renato wrote: On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 12:03:15 -0400 Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, July 24, 2010 12:02:40 pm Ralf Mardorf did opine: On Sat, 2010-07-24 at 17:22 +0200, Arnold Krille wrote: On Saturday 24 July 2010 16:22:29

Re: [LAD] twice as loud

2010-07-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2010-07-24 at 12:33 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: On Saturday, July 24, 2010 12:31:32 pm Renato did opine: On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 12:03:15 -0400 Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, July 24, 2010 12:02:40 pm Ralf Mardorf did opine: On Sat, 2010-07-24 at 17:22

Re: [LAD] twice as loud

2010-07-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2010-07-24 at 22:31 +0200, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 02:58:36PM +0200, lieven moors wrote: On 07/23/2010 10:23 PM, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 06:42:11PM +0200, lieven moors wrote: On 07/23/2010 06:29 PM,

Re: [LAD] Attenuation of sounds in 3D space

2010-07-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2010-07-23 at 01:09 +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: On 07/22/2010 08:42 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: As an ape (of course I'm an ape like every human is an ape) and troll (I don't see myself as a troll) I suspect phasing too, that's why I overstated argued with the next generation

Re: [LAD] Attenuation of sounds in 3D space

2010-07-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2010-07-23 at 08:51 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2010-07-23 at 01:09 +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: On 07/22/2010 08:42 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: As an ape (of course I'm an ape like every human is an ape) and troll (I don't see myself as a troll) I suspect phasing too

Re: [LAD] twice as loud

2010-07-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2010-07-23 at 11:13 +0100, Frank Smith wrote: Hi All I was under the impression that every 3 db increase doubled the volume and you needed to increase the power needed by a factor of 3 . Things could have changed by now but this is what I use. Cheers Bob I guess this was an old

Re: [LAD] twice as loud

2010-07-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2010-07-23 at 11:13 +0100, Frank Smith wrote: Hi All I was under the impression that every 3 db increase doubled the volume and you needed to increase the power needed by a factor of 3 . Things could have changed by now but this is what I use. Cheers Bob And ... 1 KHz sine wave

Re: [LAD] twice as loud

2010-07-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2010-07-23 at 17:31 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2010-07-23 at 11:13 +0100, Frank Smith wrote: Hi All I was under the impression that every 3 db increase doubled the volume and you needed to increase the power needed by a factor of 3 . Things could have changed by now

Re: [LAD] twice as loud

2010-07-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2010-07-23 at 17:37 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2010-07-23 at 17:31 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2010-07-23 at 11:13 +0100, Frank Smith wrote: Hi All I was under the impression that every 3 db increase doubled the volume and you needed to increase the power needed

Re: [LAD] Attenuation of sounds in 3D space

2010-07-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 17:45 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: if that won't work for you, then perhaps you might want to visit any of the theaters outfitted by these guys: http://www.iosono-sound.com/references/installations/ The nearest to Oberhausen is http://www.odysseum.de/, unfortunately it's

Re: [LAD] Attenuation of sounds in 3D space

2010-07-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-07-22 at 01:04 +0200, Arnold Krille wrote: We are not talking about 5.1 or 7.1 here. These suck big time. We are talking about ambisonics vs. binaurals vs. simple stereo here! Ok, I noticed this. Fon's AmbDec is the player for the files from http://www.ambisonia.com/?! I guess

Re: [LAD] Attenuation of sounds in 3D space

2010-07-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-07-22 at 10:52 -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-22 at 14:01 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-22 at 01:04 +0200, Arnold Krille wrote: We are not talking about 5.1 or 7.1 here. These suck big time. We are talking about ambisonics vs. binaurals

Re: [LAD] Attenuation of sounds in 3D space

2010-07-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-07-22 at 14:15 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: On Thursday, July 22, 2010 01:07:57 pm f...@kokkinizita.net did opine: On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 10:35:15AM -0400, Paul Davis wrote: On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Chris Cannam can...@all-day-breakfast.com wrote: Question

Re: [LAD] twice as loud

2010-07-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-07-22 at 21:31 +0200, lieven moors wrote: On 07/21/2010 07:24 PM, Fons Adriaensen-2 wrote: On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 01:05:01AM +0200, Philipp Überbacher wrote: I think the word loudness is a problem here. Afaik it usually refers to how it is perceived, and twice the

Re: [LAD] twice as loud

2010-07-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-07-22 at 13:56 -0700, James Warden wrote: This is probably closer to the object size comparison. I wonder how well we can judge something like twice the brightness. -- or smelling a perfume twice stronger :) Because the impression of loudness is a mix of 'taste' and

Re: [LAD] twice as loud

2010-07-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-07-22 at 23:53 +0200, Philipp Überbacher wrote: Excerpts from fons's message of 2010-07-22 23:24:24 +0200: On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 01:56:41PM -0700, James Warden wrote: This is probably closer to the object size comparison. I wonder how well we can judge something

Re: [LAD] Floating point processing and high dynamic range audio

2010-07-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 20:01 +0200, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: An audio signal represents pressure variation as a function of time. Multiplying it by two will give 2 times the pressure, and 4 times the power. The subjective result is another matter. Subjective double loudness is around 6 dB,

Re: [LAD] Floating point processing and high dynamic range audio

2010-07-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 20:19 +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: On 07/21/2010 08:56 PM, JohnLM wrote: If I code program to handle attenuation of sounds depending on their source (emitter) position in virtual 3D space, I guess then there's no simple way to relate the effect to real world.

Re: [LAD] Attenuation of sounds in 3D space

2010-07-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
matter? (are they equivalent?) On 2010.07.21. 20:40, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I guess the transit time issue for analog isn't solved. When I worked for Brauner we and SPL developed a surround microphone + SPL mixing console. IMO it's pure bullshit. http://audio.uni-lueneburg.de

[LAD] STEREO RULES

2010-07-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
People today aren't able to do a good stereo or mono mix, e.g. because of the loudness war, but they are thinking of doing 3D mixes. I'm unable to follow this strange evolution. We all have 2 ears and 1 brain that has to do a lot of work, regarding to information from the sense organs. The brain

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