Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-09 Thread james morris
On 8/8/2009, Raymond Martin lase...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 08 August 2009 15:59:56 you wrote: On 08/09/2009 06:05 AM, Raymond Martin wrote: On Saturday 08 August 2009 15:44:41 drew Roberts wrote: On Saturday 08 August 2009 14:25:37 Patrick Shirkey wrote: Sorry but how exactly is

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-09 Thread drew Roberts
On Sunday 09 August 2009 02:11:46 Jeff McClintock wrote: Chris Cannam ... but it's probably illegal and certainly unethical to redistribute someone else's work without attribution (a basic necessity of copyright which the GPL doesn't disclaim). The BSD license originally required

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-08 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Thomas Vecchione wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net mailto:ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: You are confusing Copyright and Trademark Law. Copyright law says that yes they can fork the project. Trademark

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-08 Thread Raymond Martin
On Friday 07 August 2009 20:10:14 you wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Raymond Martin lase...@gmail.com wrote: Not at all. There is even evidence in the FSF documentation somewhere exactly about this point and they vehemently disagree with any attitude like that. We all know very

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-08 Thread Raymond Martin
On Friday 07 August 2009 20:53:05 Thomas Vecchione wrote: Once again forgot to hit Reply-All. On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.netwrote: I'm not interested to take sides, I only want to learn about the GPL. Assumed that Miss B. forks a GPL'd project, as

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-08 Thread Raymond Martin
On Friday 07 August 2009 21:15:39 Ralf Mardorf wrote: Thomas Vecchione wrote: Once again forgot to hit Reply-All. It's weekend :D. You are confusing Copyright and Trademark Law. Copyright law says that yes they can fork the project. Trademark Law however says that Miss B. is allowed

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-08 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Raymond Martin wrote: On Friday 07 August 2009 20:53:05 Thomas Vecchione wrote: Once again forgot to hit Reply-All. On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.netwrote: I'm not interested to take sides, I only want to learn about the GPL. Assumed

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-08 Thread Ralf Mardorf
There is a reason. A scumbag company forced trademark issues to the front even though they were doing FOSS. Trademarks in FOSS are just as bad as software patents. Too bad most people do not get that. Okay, maybe for names and logos used by FLOSS, the creative commons should be forced as an

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-08 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Ralf Mardorf wrote: There is a reason. A scumbag company forced trademark issues to the front even though they were doing FOSS. Trademarks in FOSS are just as bad as software patents. Too bad most people do not get that. Okay, maybe for names and logos used by FLOSS, the creative commons

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-08 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Something funny about confusing names. For my needs jconv can be a very good audio application and a very useless Japanese code conversion. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-08 Thread Raymond Martin
On Saturday 08 August 2009 07:08:25 you wrote: Ralf Mardorf wrote: There is a reason. A scumbag company forced trademark issues to the front even though they were doing FOSS. Trademarks in FOSS are just as bad as software patents. Too bad most people do not get that. Okay, maybe for

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-08 Thread drew Roberts
On Saturday 08 August 2009 06:45:25 Raymond Martin wrote: Trademarks in FOSS are just as bad as software patents. Too bad most people do not get that. Ah. Trademarks can be used properly with Free Software. For the benefit of the trademark holder's users rather than for the benefit of the

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-08 Thread Thomas Vecchione
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 4:41 AM, Raymond Martin lase...@gmail.com wrote: Another fool. Trademarks apply to commercial interests, the program is non-commercial in nature. Thus it would be very difficult for anything to be done about this for creating a free program from a free program. Sorry

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-08 Thread Chris Cannam
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Raymond Martinlase...@gmail.com wrote: This is just like the fact that there is no fork at present. Raymond, I notice that your binary distribution of Impro-Visor lacks a copyright note identifying the authors -- the README could be taken to imply that you are

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-08 Thread Raymond Martin
On Saturday 08 August 2009 12:34:26 you wrote: On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 4:41 AM, Raymond Martin lase...@gmail.com wrote: Another fool. Trademarks apply to commercial interests, the program is non-commercial in nature. Thus it would be very difficult for anything to be done about this for

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-08 Thread Raymond Martin
On Saturday 08 August 2009 13:25:09 you wrote: On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Raymond Martinlase...@gmail.com wrote: This is just like the fact that there is no fork at present. Raymond, I notice that your binary distribution of Impro-Visor lacks a copyright note identifying the authors --

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-08 Thread Patrick Shirkey
On 08/09/2009 03:36 AM, Raymond Martin wrote: Yes this would apply for the commercial product against any others that are sold. It won't apply against free software because nothing is sold. Does it really matter? Do you really need to keep the name? If your fork of the project

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-08 Thread Raymond Martin
On Saturday 08 August 2009 14:06:52 you wrote: On 08/09/2009 03:36 AM, Raymond Martin wrote: Yes this would apply for the commercial product against any others that are sold. It won't apply against free software because nothing is sold. Does it really matter? Do you really need to keep the

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-08 Thread Patrick Shirkey
On 08/09/2009 04:27 AM, Raymond Martin wrote: On Saturday 08 August 2009 14:06:52 you wrote: On 08/09/2009 03:36 AM, Raymond Martin wrote: Yes this would apply for the commercial product against any others that are sold. It won't apply against free software because nothing is sold.

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-08 Thread Raymond Martin
On Saturday 08 August 2009 14:25:37 you wrote: On 08/09/2009 04:27 AM, Raymond Martin wrote: On Saturday 08 August 2009 14:06:52 you wrote: On 08/09/2009 03:36 AM, Raymond Martin wrote: Yes this would apply for the commercial product against any others that are sold. It won't apply

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-08 Thread drew Roberts
On Saturday 08 August 2009 12:34:26 Thomas Vecchione wrote: he standard is likelihood of confusion. To be more specific, the use of a trademark in connection with the sale of a good constitutes infringement if it is likely to cause consumer confusion as to the source of those goods or as to

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-08 Thread Patrick Shirkey
On 08/09/2009 05:30 AM, Raymond Martin wrote: On Saturday 08 August 2009 15:19:09 drew Roberts wrote: On Saturday 08 August 2009 12:34:26 Thomas Vecchione wrote: he standard is likelihood of confusion. To be more specific, the use of a trademark in connection with the sale of a good

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-08 Thread drew Roberts
On Saturday 08 August 2009 14:25:37 Patrick Shirkey wrote: Sorry but how exactly is this different from a fork?  Is there a guide that you have read somewhere that explains the exact steps required for making a fork? Why have you now decided that you are not actually forking the project when

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-08 Thread Raymond Martin
On Saturday 08 August 2009 15:49:08 Patrick Shirkey wrote: On 08/09/2009 05:44 AM, drew Roberts wrote: On Saturday 08 August 2009 14:25:37 Patrick Shirkey wrote: Sorry but how exactly is this different from a fork? Is there a guide that you have read somewhere that explains the exact steps

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-08 Thread drew Roberts
On Saturday 08 August 2009 09:59:45 Raymond Martin wrote: In fact, you will find that some experts on these matters always recommend to openly welcome forks Personally, when it comes to my stuff, I do. I tend to do more on the artistic side than on the code side and run into what I consider

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-08 Thread Chris Cannam
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Patrick Shirkeypshir...@boosthardware.com wrote: split [...] but not an outright fork? Hey -- it's a spork! Chris ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-08 Thread Raymond Martin
On Saturday 08 August 2009 15:44:41 drew Roberts wrote: On Saturday 08 August 2009 14:25:37 Patrick Shirkey wrote: Sorry but how exactly is this different from a fork?  Is there a guide that you have read somewhere that explains the exact steps required for making a fork? Why have you now

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-08 Thread Patrick Shirkey
On 08/09/2009 06:10 AM, Raymond Martin wrote: On Saturday 08 August 2009 15:49:08 Patrick Shirkey wrote: On 08/09/2009 05:44 AM, drew Roberts wrote: On Saturday 08 August 2009 14:25:37 Patrick Shirkey wrote: Sorry but how exactly is this different from a fork? Is there a

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-08 Thread Raymond Martin
On Saturday 08 August 2009 15:59:56 you wrote: On 08/09/2009 06:05 AM, Raymond Martin wrote: On Saturday 08 August 2009 15:44:41 drew Roberts wrote: On Saturday 08 August 2009 14:25:37 Patrick Shirkey wrote: Sorry but how exactly is this different from a fork? Is there a guide that you

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-07 Thread Paul Davis
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Ralf Mardorfralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: Chris Cannam wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Raymond Martinlase...@gmail.com wrote: What possible counter-argument can there be left? http://lwn.net/Articles/61292/ (same guy you just cited, explaining why

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-07 Thread Raymond Martin
On Friday 07 August 2009 06:51:08 Paul Davis wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Ralf Mardorfralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: Chris Cannam wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Raymond Martinlase...@gmail.com wrote: What possible counter-argument can there be left?

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-07 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 06:51:08AM -0400, Paul Davis wrote: For emphasis, I just want to paste that sentence (and the following one) again for Raymond, with attribution: Eben Moglen, attorney for the FSF: The claim that a GPL violation could lead to the forcing open of proprietary code that

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-07 Thread Raymond Martin
On Friday 07 August 2009 08:56:30 Fons Adriaensen wrote: On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 06:51:08AM -0400, Paul Davis wrote: For emphasis, I just want to paste that sentence (and the following one) again for Raymond, with attribution: Eben Moglen, attorney for the FSF: The claim that a GPL

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Raymond Martin wrote: That's nice, but I would like for someone to show me how this pertains to the current line of discussion. The fact is that code does become GPL once you mix it with other GPL code. Hi Raymond :) I searched the web and discussed this also off-list. Today in the early

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-07 Thread Simon Jenkins
On 7 Aug 2009, at 12:55, Raymond Martin wrote: On Friday 07 August 2009 06:51:08 Paul Davis wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Ralf Mardorfralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: Chris Cannam wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Raymond Martinlase...@gmail.com wrote: What possible

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-07 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 09:14:23AM -0400, Raymond Martin wrote: On Friday 07 August 2009 08:56:30 Fons Adriaensen wrote: Which makes perfect sense. In a civilised society even a convicted thief retains all the rights to his legally acquired property. If any of it has to be seized, for

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Fons Adriaensen wrote: On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 09:14:23AM -0400, Raymond Martin wrote: On Friday 07 August 2009 08:56:30 Fons Adriaensen wrote: Which makes perfect sense. In a civilised society even a convicted thief retains all the rights to his legally acquired property. If

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-07 Thread Raymond Martin
On Friday 07 August 2009 10:07:31 Fons Adriaensen wrote: On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 09:14:23AM -0400, Raymond Martin wrote: On Friday 07 August 2009 08:56:30 Fons Adriaensen wrote: Which makes perfect sense. In a civilised society even a convicted thief retains all the rights to his legally

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
There are cases in the US, for instance, where people growing marijuana for their medical conditions have had their homes seized and never returned. No justice there. That's real police stuff. Sometimes western civilization behaves like the Third Reich did, but for FLOSS I never read or

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-07 Thread Raymond Martin
On Friday 07 August 2009 09:51:05 you wrote: On 7 Aug 2009, at 12:55, Raymond Martin wrote: On Friday 07 August 2009 06:51:08 Paul Davis wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Ralf Mardorfralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net For emphasis, I just want to paste that sentence (and the following one)

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Raymond Martin wrote: On Friday 07 August 2009 09:51:05 you wrote: On 7 Aug 2009, at 12:55, Raymond Martin wrote: On Friday 07 August 2009 06:51:08 Paul Davis wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Ralf Mardorfralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net For emphasis, I just want to

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-07 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 10:39:44AM -0400, Raymond Martin wrote: Regardless of all this: a private person or group can't ever do this. Only law enforcement or the justice system can, and in the case of the first it is temporary (for securtiy or investigation), and if not it needs

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-07 Thread Raymond Martin
On Friday 07 August 2009 12:40:44 Fons Adriaensen wrote: On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 10:39:44AM -0400, Raymond Martin wrote: Regardless of all this: a private person or group can't ever do this. Only law enforcement or the justice system can, and in the case of the first it is temporary

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-07 Thread drew Roberts
On Friday 07 August 2009 13:10:50 Raymond Martin wrote: Show me where I have done something wrong. I am not seizing anything by taking what is freely given. Make sense. I showed in another post that there is nothing wrong with decompilation under GPL I don't see you as having done something

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-07 Thread Robert Keller
On Aug 7, 2009, at 2:07 PM, drew Roberts wrote: Naturally, forking a GPL project is OK. Forking a project and calling it something nearly identical (removing a dash) cannot help but generate confusion and is an example of hostile fork. Here are some guidelines for forking, which seem

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-07 Thread Chris Cannam
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Robert Kellerkel...@cs.hmc.edu wrote: Don't bother to reply. I leave this group with a fair amount of bitterness and disappointment in the way one of your members has conducted himself. One of our members? Nobody else on this list had ever heard of him either,

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-07 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 10:46:42PM +0100, Chris Cannam wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Robert Kellerkel...@cs.hmc.edu wrote: Don't bother to reply. I leave this group with a fair amount of bitterness and disappointment in the way one of your members has conducted himself. One of

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-07 Thread Raymond Martin
On Friday 07 August 2009 17:31:36 Robert Keller wrote: On Aug 7, 2009, at 2:07 PM, drew Roberts wrote: Naturally, forking a GPL project is OK. Forking a project and calling it something nearly identical (removing a dash) cannot help but generate confusion and is an example of hostile fork.

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-07 Thread Thomas Vecchione
Forgot to send to the list. On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Thomas Vecchione seabla...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Raymond Martin lase...@gmail.com wrote: Not at all. There is even evidence in the FSF documentation somewhere exactly about this point and they vehemently

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Thomas Vecchione wrote: Forgot to send to the list. On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Thomas Vecchione seabla...@gmail.com mailto:seabla...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Raymond Martin lase...@gmail.com mailto:lase...@gmail.com wrote: Not at all. There

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-07 Thread Thomas Vecchione
Once again forgot to hit Reply-All. On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.netwrote: I'm not interested to take sides, I only want to learn about the GPL. Assumed that Miss B. forks a GPL'd project, as far as I understand the GPL, Miss R. is allowed to fork a

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Thomas Vecchione wrote: Once again forgot to hit Reply-All. It's weekend :D. You are confusing Copyright and Trademark Law. Copyright law says that yes they can fork the project. Trademark Law however says that Miss B. is allowed to follow up legally to prevent a trademark, which can

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-06 Thread Chris Cannam
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 2:11 AM, drew Robertsz...@100jamz.com wrote: On Wednesday 29 July 2009 02:53:35 Arnout Engelen wrote: You cannot claim someone failed to distribute software under the GPL, and at the same time take said software and excercise the rights that *would* have been granted to

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-06 Thread drew Roberts
On Wednesday 05 August 2009 21:26:19 Raymond Martin wrote: On Wednesday 05 August 2009 21:05:41 drew Roberts wrote: On Tuesday 28 July 2009 22:38:18 lase...@gmail.com wrote: Whether he wanted to or not, use of GPL code makes it GPL code. I don't think this is correct. It would only mean

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-06 Thread Raymond Martin
On Thursday 06 August 2009 08:59:31 drew Roberts wrote: On Wednesday 05 August 2009 21:26:19 Raymond Martin wrote: This was all in the context of distribution. Perhaps this was not clear. No, it was clear. The GPL cannot make someone else's code GPL *if* they don't claim their own code to

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-06 Thread Chris Cannam
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 2:23 PM, drew Robertsz...@100jamz.com wrote: On Thursday 06 August 2009 03:51:30 you wrote: The second question becomes broadly irrelevant here if  we are prepared to accept Bob did convey his intention that the Impro-Visor code be GPL'd, but Arnout and I were responding

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-06 Thread Chris Cannam
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Raymond Martinlase...@gmail.com wrote: Nonetheless, any code mixed with GPL code and distributed automatically becomes GPL regardless of any other distribution of the same code under another license. This is quite wrong and, frankly, far more scarily so than

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-06 Thread Raymond Martin
On Thursday 06 August 2009 09:59:39 Chris Cannam wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 2:23 PM, drew Robertsz...@100jamz.com wrote: On Thursday 06 August 2009 03:51:30 you wrote: The second question becomes broadly irrelevant here if  we are prepared to accept Bob did convey his intention that the

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-06 Thread Raymond Martin
On Thursday 06 August 2009 10:16:34 you wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Raymond Martinlase...@gmail.com wrote: Nonetheless, any code mixed with GPL code and distributed automatically becomes GPL regardless of any other distribution of the same code under another license. This is

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-06 Thread Chris Cannam
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Raymond Martinlase...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 06 August 2009 10:16:34 you wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Raymond Martinlase...@gmail.com wrote: Nonetheless, any code mixed with GPL code and distributed automatically becomes GPL regardless of any

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-06 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Raymond Martin wrote: On Thursday 06 August 2009 09:59:39 Chris Cannam wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 2:23 PM, drew Robertsz...@100jamz.com wrote: On Thursday 06 August 2009 03:51:30 you wrote: The second question becomes broadly irrelevant here if we are prepared to accept

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-06 Thread drew Roberts
On Thursday 06 August 2009 10:05:17 Raymond Martin wrote: On Thursday 06 August 2009 08:59:31 drew Roberts wrote: On Wednesday 05 August 2009 21:26:19 Raymond Martin wrote: This was all in the context of distribution. Perhaps this was not clear. No, it was clear. The GPL cannot make

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-06 Thread Raymond Martin
On Thursday 06 August 2009 13:06:01 drew Roberts wrote: On Thursday 06 August 2009 10:05:17 Raymond Martin wrote: On Thursday 06 August 2009 08:59:31 drew Roberts wrote: On Wednesday 05 August 2009 21:26:19 Raymond Martin wrote: This was all in the context of distribution. Perhaps this

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-06 Thread drew Roberts
On Thursday 06 August 2009 14:46:18 Raymond Martin wrote: What possible counter-argument can there be left? You didn't read the GPL? You didn't understand it? You thought the GPL was like the BSD? Make some up. I do get you point. Just don't agree yet. But I don't think it is worth it at this

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-06 Thread Chris Cannam
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Raymond Martinlase...@gmail.com wrote: What possible counter-argument can there be left? http://lwn.net/Articles/61292/ (same guy you just cited, explaining why you're wrong) Chris ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-06 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Raymond Martin wrote: On Thursday 06 August 2009 13:06:01 drew Roberts wrote: On Thursday 06 August 2009 10:05:17 Raymond Martin wrote: On Thursday 06 August 2009 08:59:31 drew Roberts wrote: On Wednesday 05 August 2009 21:26:19 Raymond Martin wrote: This was all in the context

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-06 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Chris Cannam wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Raymond Martinlase...@gmail.com wrote: What possible counter-argument can there be left? http://lwn.net/Articles/61292/ (same guy you just cited, explaining why you're wrong) Chris The claim that a GPL violation could lead to

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-05 Thread drew Roberts
On Tuesday 28 July 2009 20:32:03 Simon Jenkins wrote: Until and unless you have Bob's preview source files   with GPL headers all present and correct, you don't have a license for   the mods in that code. Huh? If I get a binary from someone that claims to be GPL, the GPL surely gives me the

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-05 Thread drew Roberts
On Tuesday 28 July 2009 22:12:44 Simon Jenkins wrote: He   SHOULD have licensed his modifications under the GPL but he DIDN'T   (remember?) which means you don't have a license for the modifications. Where do you see this breaking down? Let's take a few made up examples: I write a program

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-05 Thread drew Roberts
On Tuesday 28 July 2009 22:38:18 lase...@gmail.com wrote: Whether he wanted to or not, use of GPL code makes it GPL code. I don't think this is correct. It would only mean that if he were not to GPL the code he would be in violation of the original author's copyrights (this is a generic he

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-05 Thread drew Roberts
On Wednesday 29 July 2009 02:53:35 Arnout Engelen wrote: You cannot claim someone failed to distribute software under the GPL, and at the same time take said software and excercise the rights that *would* have been granted to you *if* the software was distributed under the GPL. I think you

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-05 Thread Raymond Martin
On Wednesday 05 August 2009 21:05:41 drew Roberts wrote: On Tuesday 28 July 2009 22:38:18 lase...@gmail.com wrote: Whether he wanted to or not, use of GPL code makes it GPL code. I don't think this is correct. It would only mean that if he were not to GPL the code he would be in violation of

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-05 Thread drew Roberts
On Wednesday 29 July 2009 08:20:18 Chris Cannam wrote: An appropriate remedy for the problem might be for you to ensure that you comply with my license (e.g. publish under the GPL) or desist from publication, but your users can't enact that remedy for themselves. Chris Chris, I think this

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-08-05 Thread Simon Jenkins
On 6 Aug 2009, at 01:44, drew Roberts wrote: On Tuesday 28 July 2009 20:32:03 Simon Jenkins wrote: Until and unless you have Bob's preview source files with GPL headers all present and correct, you don't have a license for the mods in that code. Huh? If I get a binary from someone that

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-07-29 Thread Arnout Engelen
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:38:18PM -0400, lase...@gmail.com wrote: Whether he wanted to or not, use of GPL code makes it GPL code. That is the viral nature of GPL. (...) The code is automatically GPL by way of use of other GPL code. This is actually entirely wrong. For someone constantly

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-07-29 Thread Chris Cannam
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 3:38 AM, lase...@gmail.com wrote: Whether he wanted to or not, use of GPL code makes it GPL code. This is not true. It may simply make it code that was distributed in violation of the GPL. Chris ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-07-29 Thread Grammostola Rosea
Robert Keller wrote: On Jul 28, 2009, at 3:44 PM, lase...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 28 July 2009 13:58:06 Grammostola Rosea wrote: Robert Keller wrote: Arnold, thank you. I think I have everything in SF now. I added GPL notice to the package-info.java files and added

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-07-29 Thread Grammostola Rosea
Grammostola Rosea wrote: Robert Keller wrote: On Jul 28, 2009, at 3:44 PM, lase...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 28 July 2009 13:58:06 Grammostola Rosea wrote: Robert Keller wrote: Arnold, thank you. I think I have everything in SF now. I added GPL

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-07-29 Thread laseray
On Wednesday 29 July 2009 02:53:35 Arnout Engelen wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:38:18PM -0400, lase...@gmail.com wrote: Whether he wanted to or not, use of GPL code makes it GPL code. That is the viral nature of GPL. (...) The code is automatically GPL by way of use of other GPL code.

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-07-29 Thread laseray
On Wednesday 29 July 2009 04:21:08 you wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 3:38 AM, lase...@gmail.com wrote: Whether he wanted to or not, use of GPL code makes it GPL code. This is not true. It may simply make it code that was distributed in violation of the GPL. You are wrong. Read the GPL.

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-07-29 Thread Chris Cannam
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:08 PM, lase...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday 29 July 2009 04:21:08 you wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 3:38 AM, lase...@gmail.com wrote: Whether he wanted to or not, use of GPL code makes it GPL code. This is not true.  It may simply make it code that was distributed

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-07-29 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 08:08 -0400, lase...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday 29 July 2009 04:21:08 you wrote: you wrote? I can't understand how you could ever look into a mirror with good conscience while having your mail user agent configured in such a way as to use a you instead of a name. This

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-07-29 Thread laseray
On Wednesday 29 July 2009 08:30:00 Thorsten Wilms wrote: On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 08:08 -0400, lase...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday 29 July 2009 04:21:08 you wrote: you wrote? I can't understand how you could ever look into a mirror with good conscience while having your mail user agent

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-07-28 Thread Grammostola Rosea
Robert Keller wrote: Dear linux-audio developers, I have created New Project https://sourceforge.net/projects/impro- visor/ Thanks for Impro-Visor, which is its correct name. I will populate the source later today, as I need time to get acquainted with their system, but I have to be

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-07-28 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 02:28 -0700, Robert Keller wrote: There are copyright and GPL notices in every non-trivial source file. Do I have to add another separate file as well? You should include the text of the GPL in a file usually called COPYING. See

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-07-28 Thread laseray
On Tuesday 28 July 2009 05:08:49 Grammostola Rosea wrote: Robert Keller wrote: Dear linux-audio developers, I have created New Project https://sourceforge.net/projects/impro- visor/ Thanks for Impro-Visor, which is its correct name. I will populate the source later today, as I need

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-07-28 Thread Grammostola Rosea
lase...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 28 July 2009 05:08:49 Grammostola Rosea wrote: Robert Keller wrote: Dear linux-audio developers, I have created New Project https://sourceforge.net/projects/impro- visor/ Thanks for Impro-Visor, which is its correct name. I will

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-07-28 Thread Arnold Krille
Hi, On Tuesday 28 July 2009 11:28:39 Robert Keller wrote: On Jul 28, 2009, at 2:08 AM, Grammostola Rosea wrote: Ok, I see there is a svn version: |svn co https://impro-visor.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/impro-visor impro-visor | I don't see copyright and license files yet though. I think

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-07-28 Thread Robert Keller
Arnold, thank you. I think I have everything in SF now. I added GPL notice to the package-info.java files and added INSTALL.txt, COPYING.txt, and LICENSE.txt. Is there anything else I should have? I appreciate your help. Regards, Bob On Jul 28, 2009, at 6:40 AM, Arnold Krille wrote: Hi,

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-07-28 Thread Grammostola Rosea
Robert Keller wrote: Arnold, thank you. I think I have everything in SF now. I added GPL notice to the package-info.java files and added INSTALL.txt, COPYING.txt, and LICENSE.txt. Is there anything else I should have? I appreciate your help. In Copying it's say: GPLv2 or at your

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-07-28 Thread Grammostola Rosea
Robert Keller wrote: I fixed it to v2. Thanks! Bob Bob, We don't post on top. Quote the relevant part and place your message below, because of our mail archive ;) About the licenses. I think Impro-visor should have the same license of the GPL source you use (Jmusic or something(?)). About

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-07-28 Thread Grammostola Rosea
Grammostola Rosea wrote: Robert Keller wrote: On Jul 28, 2009, at 1:27 PM, Grammostola Rosea wrote: Robert Keller wrote: I fixed it to v2. Thanks! Bob Bob, We don't post on top. Quote the relevant part and place your message below, because of our mail archive ;) Sorry, it was

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-07-28 Thread laseray
On Tuesday 28 July 2009 13:58:06 Grammostola Rosea wrote: Robert Keller wrote: Arnold, thank you. I think I have everything in SF now. I added GPL notice to the package-info.java files and added INSTALL.txt, COPYING.txt, and LICENSE.txt. Is there anything else I should have? I

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-07-28 Thread laseray
On Tuesday 28 July 2009 15:25:51 Ralf Mardorf wrote: Grammostola Rosea wrote: Robert Keller wrote: Arnold, thank you. I think I have everything in SF now. I added GPL notice to the package-info.java files and added INSTALL.txt, COPYING.txt, and LICENSE.txt. Is there anything else I

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-07-28 Thread Grammostola Rosea
lase...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 28 July 2009 13:58:06 Grammostola Rosea wrote: Robert Keller wrote: Arnold, thank you. I think I have everything in SF now. I added GPL notice to the package-info.java files and added INSTALL.txt, COPYING.txt, and LICENSE.txt. Is there anything

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-07-28 Thread David Robillard
On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 18:51 -0400, lase...@gmail.com wrote: Basically, he is one big fat liar. Do you really think this tone helps in any way whatsoever? Maybe you should try defending the GPL with more maturity than that typical of your average 12 year old. You expect people to take you

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-07-28 Thread laseray
On Tuesday 28 July 2009 19:05:57 David Robillard wrote: On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 18:51 -0400, lase...@gmail.com wrote: Basically, he is one big fat liar. Do you really think this tone helps in any way whatsoever? Maybe you should try defending the GPL with more maturity than that typical of

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-07-28 Thread laseray
On Tuesday 28 July 2009 18:58:40 Grammostola Rosea wrote: lase...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 28 July 2009 13:58:06 Grammostola Rosea wrote: One of the main reasons why R. Stallman started GNU/FSF/GPL because of it's social aspect. You learn kids on schools for example to corporate and help

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-07-28 Thread David Robillard
On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 19:36 -0400, lase...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 28 July 2009 19:05:57 David Robillard wrote: On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 18:51 -0400, lase...@gmail.com wrote: Basically, he is one big fat liar. Do you really think this tone helps in any way whatsoever? Maybe you

Re: [LAD] Impro-Visor created on sourceforge

2009-07-28 Thread Robert Keller
On Jul 28, 2009, at 3:44 PM, lase...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 28 July 2009 13:58:06 Grammostola Rosea wrote: Robert Keller wrote: Arnold, thank you. I think I have everything in SF now. I added GPL notice to the package-info.java files and added INSTALL.txt, COPYING.txt, and LICENSE.txt.

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