On Mon, 2004-12-20 at 00:59, Taybin Rutkin wrote:
> Marek Peteraj wrote:
> > Read my messages again and *think* before you respond. Idiot.
>
> These flamewars are making me want to unsubscribe from LAD.
You don't have to, i'm doing it now.
> Please stop
> being so hostile.
Sure.
> B) The GPL is not the be all end all ideal of licenses.
Actually it's a rather smart license and i'm glad it's been widely
adopted. The fact that GPL needs another revision is another story.
> > OTOH, how do you measure the value of Scala or any other
application?
> > Is it determined by popul
> it's the height of hypocrisy to disrespect the copyright holders
> distribution terms.
What?? Where did i disrespect his terms?
>
> Guy, I don't need the source code. I really don't. You may, but I don't.
> Sometimes I want to see it. Sometimes I need it to make a binary because
> there
>
On Sun, 2004-12-19 at 21:34, Lee Revell wrote:
> On Sun, 2004-12-19 at 17:32 +0100, Marek Peteraj wrote:
> > I think this isn't the point. The point is, that even if the application
> > itself is free as in beer, you may encounter problems when trying to run
> > it, like:
On Sun, 2004-12-19 at 12:45, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 19, 2004 at 03:15:51AM +0100, Jens M Andreasen wrote:
>
> > I have studied scales from apart the world since I was a teenager.
>
> Great ! Do you make the results of your efforts available somewhere ?
Now you're imposing the same
On Sun, 2004-12-19 at 01:46, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 18, 2004 at 10:20:44AM -0500, Dave Robillard wrote:
>
> > Not everyone's standards/opinions are the same as yours.
>
> And not everyone's credits are the same as yours.
>
> Did you ever have a close look at Scala ? It's one of tho
On Sat, 2004-12-18 at 22:44, John Check wrote:
> On Saturday 18 December 2004 10:20 am, Dave Robillard wrote:
> > On Fri, 2004-17-12 at 15:28 -0500, John Check wrote:
> > > On Friday 17 December 2004 01:04 pm, Paul Brossier wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Dec 17, 2004 at 04:18:15PM +0100, Andreas Kuckartz w
Hi,
just wanted to say that there are 10 posts already, none of those guys
were actively participating in recent threads except Martin IIRC. I
counted at least another 10-15 people who mentioned that they're using
RME on LAD/LAU. For those who don't feel like expressing their opinion
at all, i'd l
Hi,
> Or has some or all this stuff already been done? Most of the work will be in
> converting ssm's 50+ existing plugins to ladspa - and writing a gui that sends
> osc messages.
I think this is a great idea, since it allows everyone else to share the
DSP.
Marek
Hi all,
thanks to Martin Rumori, there is now a thread called
"Linux audio, ALSA and RME support"
on the RME forum.
Please do not hesitate to contribute!
The forum can be found here:
News server: news.x-networks.de
Forum: rme-audio.forum
In case you have troubles finding the right software
Additional note:
Since i've been involved in discussions on that forum, it would be
better if anybody else volunteered to start the thread.
As nobody has done this yet, i suspect it going to be a fiasco, but at
least it was worth a try.
Marek
On Sun, 2004-12-05 at 02:32, Jens M Andreasen wrote:
> WILL YOU PLZ ALL SHUT UP ALL BEFORE EVERYBODY IS GETTING BADNAMED!!
> THIS LIST IS F SEARCHABLE, IF YOU DID NOT KNOW THIS IS NOT A
> PRIVATE CONVERSATION
Jens, that's the beauty of being public. It's a lot closer to honesty
an
Hi all,
following the conclusion of a very long discussion on both LAD and LAU
mailinglists, i would like to invite you all to participate in an event
that should take place on RME's official forum.
The goal is to run a thread on linux audio and RME support. Not a
discussion, but rather just rais
On Sat, 2004-12-04 at 16:18, Jan Depner wrote:
> On Fri, 2004-12-03 at 19:58, Dave Robillard wrote:
>
> > Your initial reply to me, which was not about the issue at hand
> > whatsoever - you called me obnoxious and insulting. That counts as a
> > personal attack in my books, and immediately force
I thought you were just bitching because RME didn't give you something you
wanted and you were trying to rally the LAD troops to create a big stink to try
to get RME to give it to you... ;-)
No it was me.
Watch your words. You're starting to be pretty rude and offensive.
On Fri, 2004-12-03 at 22:34, Doug Wellington wrote:
> Previously:
> >> I seriously doubt that there is "no reason" on their part - my guess
> >> is that everyone has a different position and not everyone understands
> >> (or wants to understand?) everyone else's reasons...
> >
> > It think their "p
On Fri, 2004-12-03 at 22:23, Doug Wellington wrote:
> Previously:
> > Ok say you did the drivers, provided support for them, everything went
> > ok, no ripoffs, say a hundred of sold products as a consequence. After
> > all that they say "we don't share this information with *anyone*"
>
> So, did
On Fri, 2004-12-03 at 19:15, Doug Wellington wrote:
> Previously:
> > All this mentioning of "belief" and "church" to degrade open source
> > people is no better than me calling you and RME Nazis. Seems to be a
> > recurring theme that the person who presents the open source position
> > makes no
On Fri, 2004-12-03 at 17:42, Dave Robillard wrote:
> On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 02:35 +0100, Marek Peteraj wrote:
> > I'd give it one more chance and post a 'rme - take action' letter to lad
> > and lau which would encourage people to go to the rme forum, tell them
>
> > And anyway, it's not like we're trying to force a religion on them or
> > something. Open drivers being better is not a "belief", it is a fact
>
> It's only a fact modulo your assumptions, which in turn depend on your
> perspective. Define 'better'. Philosophers have been busy doing that for
> I think the whole thread got started by the fact that Marek needs the
> product,
> or feels that he needs it. That he went and bought assuming a linux driver
> would appear is maybe naive,
It was naive i admit.
> A real conundrum
> And this will get worse IMHO.
> The oss advocates seem to
On Fri, 2004-12-03 at 15:44, Doug Wellington wrote:
>
>
> Most of you don't know me, I'm sure, but I've been working with various forms
> of Unix since the 80's. I work as a system adminstrator during the day,
> where I deal with about 500 computers of various types, from Linux to Solaris
> t
> Open source and freedom of IP for me are moral choices.
> I have no problem with anybody who tries to live or behave
> according to his beliefs.
That would be me.
> I *do* have a problem with those
> who want to impose their standards onto others that do not
> share the same beliefs.
That w
> I am not sure that providing opensource drivers is risk free, and I am a huge
> proponent of oss. You do not sound like a lawyer,
I am one.
> > Better luck next time. ;)
> >
> > I'd give it one more chance and post a 'rme - take action' letter to lad
> > and lau which would encourage people
On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 23:47, Dave Robillard wrote:
> On Thu, 2004-02-12 at 23:23 +0100, Marek Peteraj wrote:
> > On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 21:02, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> > > On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 05:56:03PM +0100, Esben Stien wrote:
> > > > Alfons Adriaen
On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 21:02, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 05:56:03PM +0100, Esben Stien wrote:
> > Alfons Adriaensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > For the same reasons, there would be no need to upgrade your Linux
> > > version, and you don't need driver updates. The cu
On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 17:47, Dave Phillips wrote:
> Marek Peteraj wrote:
>
> >> Geez, people, stop talking and
> >>start singing ! Where's "Marek's Blues" or "The RME Fight Song" ?? Come
> >>on, the talent's here, we know it
On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 17:00, Esben Stien wrote:
> Marek Peteraj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > perhaps if more and more ATI customers went for their older cards,
> > they'd certainly be forced to rethink their policy.
>
> That's what I did. I'v
> Geez, people, stop talking and
> start singing ! Where's "Marek's Blues" or "The RME Fight Song" ?? Come
> on, the talent's here, we know it is.
unfortunately i don't have a gear to record with.
Marek
On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 13:52, Thomas Grill wrote:
> > If 50 persons say "Please would you be so kind ..."
> > And another 50 say FY, in the end it's the number that counts. 100
> > (potential) customers. Each one of use is responsioble for his *own*
> > statements.
>
> Sorry, maybe we're from diffe
On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 03:49, Paul Davis wrote:
> >Oh sure they can, as it was the case with iriver.
> >2 years ago their forums were full of hatefilled msgs just because
> >people demanded ogg vorbis and were ignored.(or at least it seemed so,
> >no response from iriver).
>
> there's no proof that
On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 02:48, Paul Davis wrote:
> >The point is not that someone might reverse engineer and do a
> >worse/better oss driver. The point is that nvidia, ati, xgi, matrox
> >*should* do open source drivers.
>
> The point is that nobody has persuaded them of this, and in the matrox
> ca
On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 01:52, Jan Depner wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-12-01 at 20:15, Marek Peteraj wrote:
> > On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 00:29, Jan Depner wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2004-12-01 at 16:37, Dave Robillard wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 2004-30-11 at 17:43 -0500, Lee Revell wro
On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 03:27, Marek Peteraj wrote:
> > I also
> > asked you to not be so obstreperous in your posts. You'll get more
> > respect and attention by being polite.
>
> Jan, i think Daves posts were pretty ok in that respect and pretty much
> hit the
On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 00:13, Dave Robillard wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-01-12 at 03:38 +0100, Marek Peteraj wrote:
> > On Wed, 2004-12-01 at 00:09, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> > > On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 05:32:30PM -0500, Dave Robillard wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'
> I also
> asked you to not be so obstreperous in your posts. You'll get more
> respect and attention by being polite.
Jan, i think Daves posts were pretty ok in that respect and pretty much
hit the nail on the head.
Talking about teaching morals - i think our egos can handle more than
that. ;
On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 00:29, Jan Depner wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-12-01 at 16:37, Dave Robillard wrote:
> > On Tue, 2004-30-11 at 17:43 -0500, Lee Revell wrote:
> > > No one said they were good. I just said it was better than no support
> > > at all, and whatever RME decides to do, they designed the h
>
> Anyway I am not sure how much more can be said, the "should we allow
> binary drivers" argument has been rehashed many times and it's something
> we have to agree to disagree on. You are free to not buy it. If I
> choose to buy an Nvidia card I know that I will have to use a binary
> driver
On Tue, 2004-11-30 at 23:43, Lee Revell wrote:
> On Tue, 2004-11-30 at 17:32 -0500, Dave Robillard wrote:
> > I'd rather not have people with this ignorant 'closed drivers = good'
> > opinion turning Linux into yet another Windows.
>
> So Linus is ignorant, huh? Have you thought about why he allo
On Wed, 2004-12-01 at 00:09, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 05:32:30PM -0500, Dave Robillard wrote:
>
> > I'd rather not have people with this ignorant 'closed drivers = good'
> > opinion turning Linux into yet another Windows. If you want a sh***y
> > proprietary OS, there's pl
On Wed, 2004-12-01 at 00:09, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 05:32:30PM -0500, Dave Robillard wrote:
>
> > I'd rather not have people with this ignorant 'closed drivers = good'
> > opinion turning Linux into yet another Windows. If you want a sh***y
> > proprietary OS, there's pl
On Tue, 2004-11-30 at 12:10, Alfons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 04:49:26AM +0100, Marek Peteraj wrote:
>
> > But it's for the interest of *everyone* here.
>
> I have read the entire thread on the RME forum, and I really
> don't think it is in ou
On Tue, 2004-11-30 at 12:10, Alfons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 04:49:26AM +0100, Marek Peteraj wrote:
>
> > But it's for the interest of *everyone* here.
>
> I have read the entire thread on the RME forum, and I really
> don't think it is in o
On Tue, 2004-11-30 at 01:27, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote:
> On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 15:55, Marek Peteraj wrote:
> > > The latest hatefilled posts on the RME list about the ALSA driver issue
> > > are
> > > surely not helpful
> >
> > Saying noth
> The latest hatefilled posts on the RME list about the ALSA driver issue are
> surely not helpful
Saying nothing is *never* helpful. Showing your dissatisfaction at least
*sometimes* helps. We'll see.
Marek
On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 01:32, Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 03:19:14 +0100, Marek Peteraj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> > > RME never 'supported' the card under Linux. The 'supported' the
> > > developers by providing technic
On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 00:58, Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 02:25:09 +0100, Marek Peteraj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 21:31, Mark Knecht wrote:
>
> >
> > One nice example. Korg 1212 i/o, worked under win98, doesn't under winX
On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 10:27, Eliot Blennerhassett wrote:
> > > > Ah i don't know. I mean, you guys have put a lot of time into what your
> > > > doing anyway. And in my case the trust in rme turned out to be a bummer
> > > > just becasue i was thinking that they have trust in the open source
> > >
On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 21:31, Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 15:20:33 -0500, Lee Revell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 12:06 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
> >
> >
> > > > Fine with me. If I shelled out for RME hardware I better be able to
> > > > call RME for support,
On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 19:53, Jan Depner wrote:
> On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 10:15, Marek Peteraj wrote:
> > On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 14:50, Tim Goetze wrote:
> > > [Marek Peteraj]
> > > >> RME has provided
> > > >> "Pro" grade audio hardwar
> Why? Because with the availability of closed drivers the (market)
> demand for open source drivers suddenly becomes as small as the
> handful of Libre Software supporters like I am one. The "just make my
> hardware work" type of Linux users is not interested in Open Source
> drivers anymore, so w
On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 14:50, Tim Goetze wrote:
> [Marek Peteraj]
> >> RME has provided
> >> "Pro" grade audio hardware when Linux Audio needed it
> >> in order to become a legitimate alternative to
> >> proprietary solutions.
> >
> >Not
On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 14:03, tim hall wrote:
> Last Saturday 27 November 2004 21:36, Lee Revell was like:
> > On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 15:43 -0500, Lee Revell wrote:
> > > > Did this happen?
> > >
> > > Maybe not to them but look at Mackie and Behringer.
> >
> > Just to save people some googling here
On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 13:35, R Parker wrote:
> --- Marek Peteraj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 23:21, Lee Revell wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 16:22 -0600, Jan Depner
> > wrote:
> > > > Man, I've been waitin
On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 22:36, Lee Revell wrote:
> On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 15:43 -0500, Lee Revell wrote:
> > > Did this happen?
> >
> > Maybe not to them but look at Mackie and Behringer.
>
> Just to save people some googling here is a thread that documents the
> long and colorful history of pro aud
On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 23:21, Lee Revell wrote:
> On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 16:22 -0600, Jan Depner wrote:
> > Man, I've been waiting all day for someone to say this. Personally,
> > open source is not a religion for me so a closed source driver would be
> > fine and dandy. Let the flames commence
On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 22:14, John Check wrote:
> On Saturday 27 November 2004 07:43 am, Marek Peteraj wrote:
> > On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 11:06, MarC wrote:
> > > what about creating a wiki website to submit "soundcard experiences"?
> >
> > This also seems like
On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 21:43, Lee Revell wrote:
> On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 01:51 +0100, Marek Peteraj wrote:
> > > They create software to support it and make it work. Then all the
> > > technical information goes into the public domain and some low cost
> > > manufac
On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 11:06, MarC wrote:
> what about creating a wiki website to submit "soundcard experiences"?
This also seems like a good idea to me, and it would be cool to have a
knowledgebase like that.
However i think that doing a survey in order to measure how big the
linux audio market
On Fri, 2004-11-26 at 22:48, Tim Hockin wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 27, 2004 at 12:34:17AM +0100, Marek Peteraj wrote:
> > Which seems like it's the beginning of end for linux pro-audio hw
> > support if we don't fight for it. Right now it concerns just me, but it
> > mig
On Fri, 2004-11-26 at 23:17, Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 00:34:17 +0100, Marek Peteraj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > 2. I can only understand the point of view of open source developers
> > here, since they also invested an awfull lot of time (and money
>
> I assume that RME has developped their own protocols, which they don't
> want to share. And frankly I can understand their point of view, because
> I think an awfull lot of time (=money) must have been spent to develop
> an efficient protocol.
1. So they haven't invested the a comparable
On Fri, 2004-11-26 at 19:36, Georg Rudolph wrote:
> Please, let's not be too harsh. I recently bought the pcmcia based
> multiface from RME, only because it has linux support, and it works
> great, on both kernels. Of course, firewire is cooler, but there is this
> way out.
Not for me. :)
any
On Thu, 2004-11-25 at 20:50, Florin Andrei wrote:
> On Thu, 2004-11-25 at 04:22 -0500, Rick B wrote:
>
> > I kind of got the impression that the annoucement was just pertaining to
> > RME *Firewire* audio interfaces.
Consider that they have released some specs for their HDSP hammerfall
series, w
On Thu, 2004-11-25 at 00:49, Frank Barknecht wrote:
> Hallo,
> Marek Peteraj hat gesagt: // Marek Peteraj wrote:
>
> > Me and Benno talked to Matthias personally during Musikmesse, he was
> > friendly and seemed to be open with regards to future cooperation with
> > o
I forgot, this is the product i'm talking about:
http://www.rme-audio.de/firewire/ff800.htm
Marek
Hi all,
sorry for crossposting, just wanted to let everybody know:
The official statement is that there will be no support for ALSA (Linux)
FireWire drivers from RME. In other words there will be no such drivers,
as it is impossible to write them without tons of hardware and software
documentati
On Fri, 2004-06-11 at 17:19, Alfons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 07:08:06PM +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
>
> > Are you seriously sure? We're in the marketing hype thread which i've
> > started. ;)
>
> It's not all about you, even if you starte
On Fri, 2004-06-11 at 18:04, Martijn Sipkema wrote:
> [...]
> > > Sorry Fons, but define acceptable! Please!
> >
> > I will define as non-acceptable the implication:
> >
> >Paul uses a text based mail client
> >=>
> >this explains why his GUI designs are cluttered.
> >
> > It would b
On Fri, 2004-06-11 at 16:58, Alfons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 06:31:45PM +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
> > On Fri, 2004-06-11 at 16:08, Alfons Adriaensen wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 05:17:17PM +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
> > >
> > > &
On Fri, 2004-06-11 at 16:33, Alfons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 06:25:28PM +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
> > On Fri, 2004-06-11 at 16:03, Alfons Adriaensen wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 05:17:17PM +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
> > >
> > > >
On Fri, 2004-06-11 at 15:10, Tim Orford wrote:
> i would be very careful about what lessons are to be drawn from
> Protools. Some of the reasons are purely historical and no longer
> relevant. Hardware bundling and marketing are factors. It is also
> a very polished, reliable product.
Agreed. OT
On Fri, 2004-06-11 at 16:08, Alfons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 05:17:17PM +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
>
> > So you call not removing disturbing non-efficient and stupid UI designs
> > which make your life harder and all that -- fallacy and dumbing-down??
>
On Fri, 2004-06-11 at 16:03, Alfons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 05:17:17PM +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
>
> > And this is exactly what explains the clutter in ardour UI.
>
> Marek, your comments on the logic and consistency of the Ardour
> GUI were IMHO justi
On Fri, 2004-06-11 at 15:52, Kjetil Svalastog Matheussen wrote:
> Alfons Adriaensen:
> >On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 07:24:59PM +0200, Kjetil Svalastog Matheussen wrote:
> >>
> >> Tim Hockin:
> >> >
> >> > I know Linux people love to claim how choice is our strength, but I think
> >> > it's bunk. Linux
On Fri, 2004-06-11 at 15:09, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 01:59:41PM +0200, Alfons Adriaensen wrote:
> >
> > I didn't. What I said was that those who complain because things
> > do no look as they are used to, are in general the same people that
> > just do not master the applic
Paul:
>
> % f +gtk-in
> % rmm cur-last
> % f +gtkmm-in
> % rmm cur-last
> % f +new
> % rmm `pick -from wine-devel`
> % rmm `pick -from xdg-list`
> and then i can put all those commands in script and next time just do:
> % clean-mail
>that's what i call a mail client.
And this is exactly
On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 01:40, Dave Robillard wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 18:26, Marek Peteraj wrote:
> > I've never seen such inapt community btw, which is totally ignorant in
> > organizing itself. See the gnome community which started to exist the
> > same year. They
On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 01:11, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 12:26:07AM +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
>
> I've never seen such inapt community btw, which is totally ignorant in
> > organizing itself. See the gnome community which started to exist the
> >
Simple logic has it that you just can't do a perfect app if your
motivation isn't 'to do it for lots of users'.
You guys stated that it's just your hobby and your doing that mostly for
yourself and the other devs that did other apps perhaps if somebody
wants to give it a go. I'm fine with that. Ju
On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 01:19, Jan Depner wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 18:08, Fernando Pablo Lopez-Lezcano wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Most probably you will find out (when/if other developers care to speak
> > > > out) that this view is shared by many, if not all, developers, and not
> > > > just in t
On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 01:08, Fernando Pablo Lopez-Lezcano wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 17:50, Marek Peteraj wrote:
> > On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 00:24, Fernando Pablo Lopez-Lezcano wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 15:26, Marek Peteraj wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 2004-
On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 00:56, Dave Robillard wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 16:11, Marek Peteraj wrote:
> > What you guys blatantly underestimate is that in order to bring your
> > apps to users (= having success, sorry ;) it doesn't suffice if you're a
> > developer
On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 00:32, Steve Harris wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 01:40:00AM +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
> > > Good. I /like/ the current (lack of) linux audio community. Its not like
> > > we're one homogenous organisation. Were just a bunch of people who hack
On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 02:27, Marek Peteraj wrote:
> On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 00:07, Jan Depner wrote:
> > On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 17:26, Marek Peteraj wrote:
> >
> > > But you guys *are* following proprietary software in general. Ardour is
> > > a DAW just like cubas
On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 00:34, Jan Depner wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 19:27, Marek Peteraj wrote:
>
> > > If you want to organize something go ahead and organize it, but
> > > please don't tell me that I have to conform to some consumer driven
> > > vi
On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 00:24, Fernando Pablo Lopez-Lezcano wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 15:26, Marek Peteraj wrote:
> > On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 13:17, Dave Griffiths wrote:
> > > Personally speaking, as a free software developer I don't care if my
> > > programs ar
On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 00:07, Jan Depner wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 17:26, Marek Peteraj wrote:
>
> > But you guys *are* following proprietary software in general. Ardour is
> > a DAW just like cubase is, while SSM resembles reaktor in its
> > philosophy. LADSPAs are pl
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 23:18, Steve Harris wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 12:26:07 +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
> > > I don't want to see linux apps turning into slickly hyped lifestyle
> > > products like the rest of the music software business. We should push
&g
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 23:21, Jan Depner wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 04:49, Alfons Adriaensen wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 10:06:00AM +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 21:15, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> >
> > > > - When I s
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 22:37, Dan Hollis wrote:
> i think its possible to get your point across without being a dick.
>
> sadly, you didn't do it.
I always don't, you should already know that, i'm known for that ;)
>
> On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, Marek Peteraj wrote:
>
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 22:38, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
> Hi!
>
> With the recent talk about plugin guis and stuff I think
> it's well fitting to present a knob design experiment I
> created for a LDrum redesign.
>
> SVG vector graphics (prefered by Peter and me)
> http://wrstud.uni-wuppertal.de/~ka
>
> I've never seen such inapt community btw, which is totally ignorant in
> organizing itself. See the gnome community which started to exist the
> same year. They have more conferences per year, one of them being
> huge(guadec) with sponsors, larger companies involved, and *most* of
> *all* the
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 13:17, Dave Griffiths wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 21:11, Marek Peteraj wrote:
> > What linux audio offers is
> > technology. No comfort at all. Right now it's all just academic
> > software.
>
> This, and the lack of marketing departments
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 11:04, Pelle Nilsson wrote:
> Marek Peteraj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > ...
> > Second thing is that the way you percieve them shouldn't change as you
> > switch applications. Which is what VST perfectly fulfills - it provides
> &
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 20:33, Ben wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 15:15, Ben wrote:
> > > Sounds interesting. This is what I do for a living. But would any
> > > of
> > > the linux audio developers actually follow it?
> >
> > You mean you're a usability engineer?
> >
> > Marek
> >
>
> Er, y
I couldn't resist.
> a UI that is designed
> by people who understand how something works and how it is
> used, rather than by the marketing department.
> marketing, which has been defined
> as 'the art of disturbing rational decision making'.
Let me give you a perfect example.
The line6
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 15:15, Tim Orford wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 01:46:36PM +0100, Steve Harris wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 04:42:32PM +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
> > > I can give you a perfect example - a *reference* DAW system - ProTools.
> > > Which, in
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 15:15, Ben wrote:
> Sounds interesting. This is what I do for a living. But would any of
> the linux audio developers actually follow it?
You mean you're a usability engineer?
Marek
>
> -Ben Loftis
>
> > Maybe some kind of audio app interface design proposal is in orde
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 14:46, Steve Harris wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 04:42:32PM +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
> > I can give you a perfect example - a *reference* DAW system - ProTools.
> > Which, in ver. 6, has gone eye-candy.
> > Guess why.
>
> The core app is sti
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