Re: [linux-audio-dev] Audio routing issues for linux..

2002-06-11 Thread Frank van de Pol
If low-latency is of minor importance, and the goal is to 'just' get that OSS application's data into or from JACK, the LD_PRELOAD could be an viable option, or otherwise simply creating some (kernel) loopback device. Though not a candidate for the 'most beautiful design' contest it would get th

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Audio routing issues for linux..

2002-06-11 Thread François Déchelle
Joern Nettingsmeier wrote: > François Déchelle wrote: > > > iiuc, jack does not access the hardware directly. instead it uses a > plugin which in turn talks to the alsa kernel driver or possibly other > systems (not implemented). JACK is the only process that opens a ALSA handle referring to

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Audio routing issues for linux..

2002-06-11 Thread Joern Nettingsmeier
François Déchelle wrote: > > > If I understand clearly the point, the foreseen working scheme would > be the following, using alsaserver and JACK: > > App1 <->|<-> OSS |<-> ALSA<->| JACK <-> PCM HW > App2 <->||server | > ... <->|| | >

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Audio routing issues for linux..

2002-06-11 Thread François Déchelle
Vincent Touquet wrote: > On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 06:09:01PM -0300, Juan Linietsky wrote: > (cut) > >>I think Kai Vehmanen did a much better job explaining this than >>myself, since I dont know the internals of alsalib. I'll just repost >>what he said: >> > (cut) > > Ok :) > If you want what Kai

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Audio routing issues for linux..

2002-06-11 Thread Peter Hanappe
Juan Linietsky wrote: > I choose my favorite audio composing app, say muse. > Now i choose my favorite softsynth, iiwusynth. > Alsa works great for this... now > Using a theorical audio routing api Iiwusynth will > proovide me with the following audio sources: A stereo channel (gobal > mix) 16 m

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Audio routing issues for linux..

2002-06-10 Thread Vincent Touquet
On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 06:09:01PM -0300, Juan Linietsky wrote: (cut) >I think Kai Vehmanen did a much better job explaining this than >myself, since I dont know the internals of alsalib. I'll just repost >what he said: (cut) Ok :) If you want what Kai and Taybin are referring to, its doable, it

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Audio routing issues for linux..

2002-06-10 Thread Juan Linietsky
On Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:49:01 +0200 Vincent Touquet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (cut) > >I'm afraid i didnt make myself clear. I tried to expain this in > >previous mails, but I think i'm failing so far. > >I perfectly understand what JACK is, but as I said before, > >it's primarily meant for lo

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Audio routing issues for linux..

2002-06-10 Thread Taybin Rutkin
On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, Juan Linietsky wrote: > Yes! This is super just exactly accuratedly the point of what I was > proposing. My point is simply that not all apps you'd like to > route/interconnect need low latency, thus there is no need to use JACK > natively on them. When the app tries to open

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Audio routing issues for linux..

2002-06-10 Thread Vincent Touquet
(cut) >I'm afraid i didnt make myself clear. I tried to expain this in >previous mails, but I think i'm failing so far. >I perfectly understand what JACK is, but as I said before, >it's primarily meant for low latency stuff. >So my proposal consisted in two things. >1-The first one is to proovid

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Audio routing issues for linux..

2002-06-10 Thread Juan Linietsky
On Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:36:30 -0400 Paul Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Yeah, but what I mean is 2 things, first that you should be able to > >change transparently where the app is sending the data, without the > >app noticing, and second that such configuration shouldnt be stored > >by the a

share/smix pcm plugin [was [linux-audio-dev] Audio routing issues for linux..]

2002-06-10 Thread Joern Nettingsmeier
hi ! in reply to a posting by juan linietsky, Paul Davis wrote: > [allowing multiple apps to play at the same time (esound-style) on hardware that does not support multi-open] > > * ALSA already has the "share" PCM device type which allows > multiple access to the same underlying hardware

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Audio routing issues for linux..

2002-06-10 Thread Paul Davis
>Since I have hardly looked at Jack, and definately not tried to use it (as a >developer) I can't really comment on the design. but you still say: >- harder to understand "what" goes "where", Jörn has made some >nice schemantics but the design is rather complex, a novice would not >understand i

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Audio routing issues for linux..

2002-06-10 Thread Paul Davis
>Yeah, but what I mean is 2 things, first that you should be able to >change transparently where the app is sending the data, without the >app noticing, and second that such configuration shouldnt be stored by >the app but from an abstracted app/interface that handles connections. You're asking f

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Audio routing issues for linux..

2002-06-10 Thread Robert Jonsson
Hi guys, being mainly a lurker (and (potentially) a user) I may not have a say, but anyway... > > No, allow me to explain better why I think supporting JACK is > pointless and why I wouldnt do it. I'll give you all the reasons I can > think of. > > 1-It's not a standard. ALSA/OSS are. If i wan

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Audio routing issues for linux..

2002-06-10 Thread Juan Linietsky
On Mon, 10 Jun 2002 01:38:10 -0400 Paul Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Here's a problem I commonly find in existing audio apps or in > >programming audio apps: Audio routing. > > > >The way things work now, it's hard for apps to implement a standard > >way of: > > First, you can't do any be

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Audio routing issues for linux..

2002-06-09 Thread Paul Davis
>Here's a problem I commonly find in existing audio apps or in >programming audio apps: Audio routing. > >The way things work now, it's hard for apps to implement a standard >way of: First, you can't do any better on MacOS or Windows, because ReWire or DirectConnect are the only (low latency) opt

[linux-audio-dev] Audio routing issues for linux..

2002-06-09 Thread Juan Linietsky
Here's a problem I commonly find in existing audio apps or in programming audio apps: Audio routing. The way things work now, it's hard for apps to implement a standard way of: -Route audio from an app to another -Share audio devices/routes -Apply Audio modifiers (Effects) LADSPA is great for i