Re: [linux-audio-dev] Broadcast 2000 removed from public access

2001-10-16 Thread Son of Zev
On Tue, 16 Oct 2001 03:51, Fred Gleason wrote: > On Mon, 15 Oct 2001, Son of Zev wrote: > > At this stage I am unaware of any precedent to this kind of claim. The > > claim against mp3/p2p software was an issue of music copyright and the > > illegal distribution of it - however no one ever sued an

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Broadcast 2000 removed from public access

2001-10-15 Thread D. Stimits
Fred Gleason wrote: > > On Mon, 15 Oct 2001, Son of Zev wrote: > > > At this stage I am unaware of any precedent to this kind of claim. The claim > > against mp3/p2p software was an issue of music copyright and the illegal > > distribution of it - however no one ever sued anyone for making a rec

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Broadcast 2000 removed from public access

2001-10-15 Thread Fred Gleason
On Mon, 15 Oct 2001, Son of Zev wrote: > At this stage I am unaware of any precedent to this kind of claim. The claim > against mp3/p2p software was an issue of music copyright and the illegal > distribution of it - however no one ever sued anyone for making a recordable > tape deck or video p

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Broadcast 2000 removed from public access

2001-10-15 Thread Paul Davis
>can't see that in the terms. (and a personal request to make it truly viable >for both audio and video put SMPTE/MMC sync functionality on to it... so it >can lock to external video and audio devices correctly - I know Paul - >wordclock would be paramount too) FYI: wordclock is a h/w issu

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Broadcast 2000 removed from public access

2001-10-15 Thread Son of Zev
Hi All Hey I know this is a rather late comment - but I read everyone elses contribution and I feel I should add. At this stage I am unaware of any precedent to this kind of claim. The claim against mp3/p2p software was an issue of music copyright and the illegal distribution of it - however

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Broadcast 2000 removed from public access

2001-09-12 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
I did use the words "very stupid". Just because the laws screw the average person, doesn't mean I agree with it. But from what was said by the Broadcast 2000 web page and general speculation, they are not worried about being sued by the company using their product, but instead by t

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Broadcast 2000 removed from public access

2001-09-12 Thread D. Stimits
Nick Bailey wrote: > > On Tuesday 11 Sep 2001 3:09 am, you wrote: > > > They are saying that "no warranty" on the license is not > > enough to avoid responsibility in some cases. The company > > using the software has the knowledge, but the investors > > don't, and apparently the investors are s

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Broadcast 2000 removed from public access

2001-09-12 Thread Nick Bailey
On Tuesday 11 Sep 2001 3:09 am, you wrote: > They are saying that "no warranty" on the license is not > enough to avoid responsibility in some cases. The company > using the software has the knowledge, but the investors > don't, and apparently the investors are succeeding in using > the "deep poc

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Broadcast 2000 removed from public access

2001-09-11 Thread David Gerard Matthews Jr.
> If artists avoid to get contracts with this media industry, this industry will > eventually be useless. We made them as powerful as they are today, only > we can take away their power again. > If artists and consumers are happy (as it seems today) I see no way out > except for some niches. >

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Broadcast 2000 removed from public access

2001-09-11 Thread David Gerard Matthews Jr.
Is anyone planning on picking this up? I'd do it myself if I had a) time and b) better coding skills. BC2K is/was a fine piece of work. Ruben Merz wrote: > > Well, that's really sad. Let's hope that some people may go on with the > previous GPL code... > > RUben > > > Greetings: > > > > Se

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Broadcast 2000 removed from public access

2001-09-11 Thread Matthias Weiss
On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 12:42:10PM +0200, Nicolas Noble wrote: > On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Matthias Weiss wrote: > > > There's still the download page at: > > > > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=13554 > > Wrong... What's still downloadable are the 'around' librairies and > tool

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Broadcast 2000 removed from public access

2001-09-11 Thread Matthias Weiss
On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 11:53:00AM +0200, J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote: > Matthias Weiss wrote: > > > > > > In germany an association was founded by a group of lawyers to help > > clearing legal issues for free software, if someone is interested, I'd > > dig for the contact. > > please, if you find

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Broadcast 2000 removed from public access

2001-09-11 Thread WLC
Matthias Weiss wrote: > > There's still the download page at: > > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=13554 > > matthias > Appears to be gone from there! -- Wendell Craig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://anncrman.com "Show me the country in which there are no strikes and

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Broadcast 2000 removed from public access

2001-09-11 Thread Nicolas Noble
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Matthias Weiss wrote: > There's still the download page at: > > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=13554 Wrong... What's still downloadable are the 'around' librairies and tools. The broadcast2000 package itself has been removed. Hopefully there is mirror

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Broadcast 2000 removed from public access

2001-09-11 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
Matthias Weiss wrote: > > > In germany an association was founded by a group of lawyers to help > clearing legal issues for free software, if someone is interested, I'd > dig for the contact. please, if you find a contact, send it to me as well. i think it's high time to include an "IP and lega

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Broadcast 2000 removed from public access

2001-09-11 Thread Carl Joachim Berdal Haga
Brian, are you planning to maintain the current bcast2000 code, or start something new? There are a few patches on http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/heroines, some of them contributed by myself, and I'm working on some other improvements as well. If you (or others) decide to maintain the curre

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Broadcast 2000 removed from public access

2001-09-11 Thread Matthias Weiss
> We are in hard times right now and it almost at a point where I agree > with the Broadcast 2000 folks that maybe pulling out and avoiding being > taken advantage of until we find a way to fight for our rights is a > sad, but potential way I have to go. > > Any ideas? If artists avoid to get co

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Broadcast 2000 removed from public access

2001-09-11 Thread Matthias Weiss
On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 08:31:21PM -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > it also strikes me as mostly bullshit, though i'd want to speak to a > lawyer before concluding that completely. GPL'ed software is almost > universally made available with no warranty. as a post on slashdot > points out, Microsoft coul

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Broadcast 2000 removed from public access

2001-09-11 Thread Matthias Weiss
There's still the download page at: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=13554 matthias On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 09:02:39PM -0700, brian redfern wrote: > It should help the sales of the new nostarch press > book on bcast. I have a copy of the last released > source, I've got a d

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Broadcast 2000 removed from public access

2001-09-11 Thread brian redfern
That's why the ogg-vorbis group created a non-profit, to make themselves into a legal charity entity. Same thing with the freesoftware foundation, I guess beyond that we can all move to moscow! --- Sander van Zoest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 10 Sep 2001, Dave Phillips wrote: > > > See

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Broadcast 2000 removed from public access

2001-09-11 Thread Kevin Hremeviuc
Hi all, This is truly sad. This has been one of my favourite pieces of Linux audio software. I guess their are many possibilities for this latest development. I think the fact that Broadcast was always on the edge of the open source thing ( b2000 that is ), I always thought that something would h

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Broadcast 2000 removed from public access

2001-09-11 Thread Dan Hollis
On Mon, 10 Sep 2001, Sander van Zoest wrote: > I am not sure what to do about it, but I am not surprised and I hope > there is something we can do to fight this and get our rights back. Go for the criminal prosecution angle. There is a pretty clear case of price fixing among the distributors and

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Broadcast 2000 removed from public access

2001-09-10 Thread Sander van Zoest
On Mon, 10 Sep 2001, Dave Phillips wrote: > See the short story on Slashdot, or get the scoop (such as it is) at > the BC2K Web site. I think this is mostly in regards to the Dolby AC3 code, the Adobe Reader cracked, etc. This is percisly why it is hard to work in the media field right now. I

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Broadcast 2000 removed from public access

2001-09-10 Thread brian redfern
It should help the sales of the new nostarch press book on bcast. I have a copy of the last released source, I've got a download spot for those who want a copy, just email me back. Personally I'm going to study the code and use it to teach myself c/c++, as its very optimized and stable. Then I wan

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Broadcast 2000 removed from public access

2001-09-10 Thread brian redfern
Its most likely his employer (pioneer) told him to stop coding or they'd fire or sue him. --- "D. Stimits" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Paul Davis wrote: > > > > >Well, that's really sad. Let's hope that some > people may go on with the > > >previous GPL code... > > > > it also strikes me as mos

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Broadcast 2000 removed from public access

2001-09-10 Thread Chris Baugher
On Mon, 10 Sep 2001, ljp wrote: > At 16:58 9/10/2001 -0700, you wrote: > > This goes with the current state of the USA and the suit happy atmosphere > here, and people not taking responsibility for themselves and their actions > anymore. > Personally I think it might have to do with this > htt

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Broadcast 2000 removed from public access

2001-09-10 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Sad indeed, and (yet) another reason that the expansion of ``intellectual property'' laws over the past decade or so is so counterproductive. Worst is that the RIAA has demonstrated themselves to be such total, clueless idiots in the matter. In their fear of having a few copies pirated, they're

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Broadcast 2000 removed from public access

2001-09-10 Thread D. Stimits
Paul Davis wrote: > > >Well, that's really sad. Let's hope that some people may go on with the > >previous GPL code... > > it also strikes me as mostly bullshit, though i'd want to speak to a > lawyer before concluding that completely. GPL'ed software is almost > universally made available with

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Broadcast 2000 removed from public access

2001-09-10 Thread ljp
At 16:58 9/10/2001 -0700, you wrote: >I second that, maybe it could be forked off as a part >of the oggvorbis project, as they have created a >foundation to protect themselves from liabilities. >Apparently heroine virtual was actually getting hit >with some real suit or suits, so it wasn't just a

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Broadcast 2000 removed from public access

2001-09-10 Thread Paul Davis
>Well, that's really sad. Let's hope that some people may go on with the >previous GPL code... it also strikes me as mostly bullshit, though i'd want to speak to a lawyer before concluding that completely. GPL'ed software is almost universally made available with no warranty. as a post on slashdo

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Broadcast 2000 removed from public access

2001-09-10 Thread brian redfern
I second that, maybe it could be forked off as a part of the oggvorbis project, as they have created a foundation to protect themselves from liabilities. Apparently heroine virtual was actually getting hit with some real suit or suits, so it wasn't just a theoretical threat, I perhaps this is just

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Broadcast 2000 removed from public access

2001-09-10 Thread Ruben Merz
Well, that's really sad. Let's hope that some people may go on with the previous GPL code... RUben > Greetings: > > See the short story on Slashdot, or get the scoop (such as it is) at > the BC2K Web site. > > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/09/10/2016257&mode=thread > > ht

[linux-audio-dev] Broadcast 2000 removed from public access

2001-09-10 Thread Dave Phillips
Greetings: See the short story on Slashdot, or get the scoop (such as it is) at the BC2K Web site. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/09/10/2016257&mode=thread http://heroinewarrior.com/bcast2000.php3 Comments welcome... Best regards, == Dave Phillips The Book