[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Aarggg - knobs. One of my pet peeves. Knobs make absolutely no
sense in a GUI. There is no easy (or standard) way to control them. Note that
there are no knobs in JAMin. The parametric controls aren't even knobs. I think
this was the point he was
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 10:16:00AM +0100, Steve Harris wrote:
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 09:44:49 +0200, Robert Jonsson wrote:
if i try out a new VST plug i open its GUI. with the GUI i get a nice
and compact look of all its controls.
If i want to use the plugin i resort to rebuilding
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 11:35:38PM +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 11:04, Pelle Nilsson wrote:
Marek Peteraj [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
...
Second thing is that the way you percieve them shouldn't change as you
switch applications. Which is what VST perfectly
On Wednesday 09 June 2004 16:12, Jan Depner wrote:
}
} I think you're only considering red/green colorblindness. I've been
} doing GUIs for 26 years and boy do I get bitches about color. It's
} their favorite whine.
I've been doing color since '77.. If you ever need assistance...
--
If
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:22:24 +0100
Chris Cannam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday 08 Jun 2004 7:46 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Right click on any slider in JAMin and it immediately goes to
the default position, whether center or zero.
Ah, now I looked for that feature but didn't
On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 06:07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 11:35:38PM +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 11:04, Pelle Nilsson wrote:
Marek Peteraj [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
...
Second thing is that the way you percieve them shouldn't change as
I like this idea, however, in JAMin, we were trying to save real
estate. The status bar is used for JACK status. It would be very easy
to implement this since I've already built focus change detection in for
context sensitive help (shift-F1 over any widget). I don't think I have
enough room to
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 11:57:06 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Automation in VST is pretty much broken AFAICT. It relys on explicit
support from the plugins to work.
i am tempted to say not true but i may miss something.
- there is a setParameter() call on the plugin (so i can automate
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 15:57:14 -0500
Jan Depner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I like this idea, however, in JAMin, we were trying to save real
estate. The status bar is used for JACK status. It would be very easy
to implement this since I've already built focus change detection in for
context
On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 21:15, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 01:54:58PM +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
Fons' Moog HP filter is a complex piece of DSP i suspect.
No, it's actually quite simple :-) The most complex one is
the four-band parametric filter I released recently, and
On Tuesday 08 June 2004 20:22, Chris Cannam wrote:
On Tuesday 08 Jun 2004 7:46 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Right click on any slider in JAMin and it immediately goes to
the default position, whether center or zero.
Ah, now I looked for that feature but didn't find it. In Rosegarden
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 07:53:43PM +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo,
Steve Harris hat gesagt: // Steve Harris wrote:
What I meant with nice is more in the vein of this here:
http://www.propellerheads.se/products/reason/img/closeup/redrum/closeup-redrum450.jpg
I mean, it looks like a
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 08:12:07PM +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote:
But then, even the GUI gurus at Apple were forced to show a
photorealistic hard disk on the OS-X desktop. Why they did, fails
me...
has the avarage mac user ever seen a HardDisk ? :))
--
torben Hohn
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 02:51:19PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 14:12, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo,
Marek Peteraj hat gesagt: // Marek Peteraj wrote:
Second thing is that the way you percieve them shouldn't change as you
switch applications. Which is what VST
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 12:16:16PM -0700, Jos Laake wrote:
Just some thoughts...
As one who tends to use more than build these things, I can see the
pros and cons of the photorealistic GUI. For one thing, if it's
simulating a piece of equipment I once used (many years ago ;-) )
having the
On Wednesday 09 Jun 2004 7:30 am, Richard Bown wrote:
On Tuesday 08 June 2004 20:22, Chris Cannam wrote:
On Tuesday 08 Jun 2004 7:46 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Right click on any slider in JAMin and it immediately goes
to the default position, whether center or zero.
Ah, now I
On tis, 2004-06-08 at 20:12, Frank Barknecht wrote:
But then, even the GUI gurus at Apple were forced to show a
photorealistic hard disk on the OS-X desktop. Why they did, fails
me...
... and it is even weirder when you consider that most Apple consumers
never open their boxes and have no
On Wednesday 09 June 2004 08.53, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 07:53:43PM +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo,
Steve Harris hat gesagt: // Steve Harris wrote:
What I meant with nice is more in the vein of this here:
On tis, 2004-06-08 at 20:54, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Colors must always be configurable. The percentage of color blind people is
much higher than most people think.
I think the percentage of colorblind males are about 10%
If you use the green/red metaphore (as in walk/stop) they will be
if i try out a new VST plug i open its GUI. with the GUI i get a nice
and compact look of all its controls.
If i want to use the plugin i resort to rebuilding the GUI with galan
controls (they have better functionality).
its all there and its your choice.
but there are of course several
Marek Peteraj [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
...
Second thing is that the way you percieve them shouldn't change as you
switch applications. Which is what VST perfectly fulfills - it provides
its own UI.
If I have 100 LADSPA plug-ins installed and 3 LADSPA hosts, I'd rather
spend my time learning
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 08:03:10 +0100, Chris Cannam wrote:
On Tuesday 08 Jun 2004 7:16 pm, Frank Barknecht wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] hat gesagt: // [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Aarggg - knobs. One of my pet peeves.
I actually wrote a knob GUI element for Pd, which normally
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 08:12:07 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo,
Marek Peteraj hat gesagt: // Marek Peteraj wrote:
Second thing is that the way you percieve them shouldn't change as you
switch applications. Which is what VST perfectly fulfills - it provides
its own UI.
True
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 02:38:04 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo,
Lee Revell hat gesagt: // Lee Revell wrote:
On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 14:12, Frank Barknecht wrote:
True somehow but then also not: If I don't like a UI I'd like to be
able to change it. That's something valueable that
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 10:10:43 +0100, Steve Harris wrote:
open hte UI for the first time - it could eg. be a scrit that spawns Pd and
then uses a Pdpatch to control the host via OS ;)
OSC of course.
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 09:44:49 +0200, Robert Jonsson wrote:
if i try out a new VST plug i open its GUI. with the GUI i get a nice
and compact look of all its controls.
If i want to use the plugin i resort to rebuilding the GUI with galan
controls (they have better functionality).
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 11:04:09 +0200, Pelle Nilsson wrote:
If I have 100 LADSPA plug-ins installed and 3 LADSPA hosts, I'd rather
spend my time learning the guis of the 3 host-applications than
learning the different guis of 100 plug-ins. That a plug-in then has
three different interfaces
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 09:15:13 +0200, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
No, it's actually quite simple :-) The most complex one is
the four-band parametric filter I released recently, and
that's also the only one that is not intended as an AMS
plugin. And it will reappear in some time as a JACK
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 10:06:00 +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
But if you let JAMin run as the only client, you'll see it makes no
sense, since it needs audio input to be useful.
Actually some people do - audio can come from outside PCs ;)
- Steve
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 10:06:00AM +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 21:15, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
- When I saw the collection of VST plugins that Paul Davis used
to show his VST hosting in Karlsruhe, I asked myself My god,
do they all look that childish ?.
Ask win32
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 10:10:22AM +0200, Jens M Andreasen wrote:
Last time I checked, rivers flew from the top of the mountains, thru the
valleys below, and out in the ocean. Even in China :)
Even in countries that are upside down, such as Australia :-)
--
FA
On Tuesday 08 June 2004 20:22, Chris Cannam wrote:
On Tuesday 08 Jun 2004 7:46 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Right click on any slider in JAMin and it immediately goes to
the default position, whether center or zero.
Ah, now I looked for that feature but didn't find it. In Rosegarden
On Wednesday 09 Jun 2004 12:04 pm, Paul Davis wrote:
JAMin: default value = button3 click
context menu = ??
Rosegarden: default value = button3 click
context menu = ??
Rosegarden is internally inconsistent, because button3 click is for
context menu
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 12:31:05PM +0100, Chris Cannam wrote:
On Wednesday 09 Jun 2004 12:04 pm, Paul Davis wrote:
JAMin: default value = button3 click
context menu = ??
Rosegarden: default value = button3 click
context menu = ??
Rosegarden is
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 11:49, Alfons Adriaensen wrote:
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 10:06:00AM +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 21:15, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
- When I saw the collection of VST plugins that Paul Davis used
to show his VST hosting in Karlsruhe, I asked myself
On Wednesday 09 Jun 2004 12:30 pm, Steve Harris wrote:
Middle button seems both reasonably logical and not used for
anyting else in this context (pasting into a slider?!).
Dunno about other people but I find middle-click quite hard work with
a wheely mouse, at least without wheeling the wheel
Ardour: default value ctrl-button2 click
context menu = button3 click
chris - heh, i am as bad as you! i got ardour's wrong :) default value
is shift-button1. ctrl-button2 initiate MIDI binding.
On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 15:44:53 +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote
There are various kinds of users of audio SW; their requirements
and opinions will vary. In my experience, most serious and
professional users prefer a UI that is first of all functional,
Have you done a survey?
Most music software
No, I didn't dream it, I wrote it. I may have missed a slider or two but I think
I got most of them. Of course I am talking about the latest CVS not 0.8.0.
Jan
On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:30 , Richard Bown [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:
On Tuesday 08 June 2004 20:22, Chris Cannam wrote:
On Tuesday 08
On Wednesday 09 Jun 2004 12:55 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No, I didn't dream it, I wrote it.
He meant I dreamt what I said about Rosegarden. Not quite true
either, but closer.
Chris
Sorry, you are correct. In JAMin it's center click. Jeez, I wrote it, I should
know these things :-\
Jan
On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 08:32 , Chris Cannam [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:
On Wednesday 09 Jun 2004 7:30 am, Richard Bown wrote:
On Tuesday 08 June 2004 20:22, Chris Cannam wrote:
On Tuesday 08
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 14:05, Dave Griffiths wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 15:44:53 +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote
There are various kinds of users of audio SW; their requirements
and opinions will vary. In my experience, most serious and
professional users prefer a UI that is first of all
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 04:42:32PM +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
I can give you a perfect example - a *reference* DAW system - ProTools.
Which, in ver. 6, has gone eye-candy.
Guess why.
The core app is still pretty plain (apart from a bit a 3d-ish shading), its
the bundled plugins that are
If developers don't know how to operate their own apps then we have a
serious problem :)
Marek
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 14:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sorry, you are correct. In JAMin it's center click. Jeez, I wrote it, I should
know these things :-\
Jan
On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 08:32 ,
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 05:13:18AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sorry, you are correct. In JAMin it's center click. Jeez, I wrote it, I should
know these things :-\
Heh, seems that noone knows how thier app works :)
Seems like a good time to decide an Linux Audio Developer HIG extension.
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 14:46, Steve Harris wrote:
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 04:42:32PM +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
I can give you a perfect example - a *reference* DAW system - ProTools.
Which, in ver. 6, has gone eye-candy.
Guess why.
The core app is still pretty plain (apart from a bit a
On Wednesday 09 Jun 2004 1:50 pm, Steve Harris wrote:
A little bit of meter standardisation wouldn't hurt - eg. the point
at which people show red seems to vary a lot, which has been
confusing for users.
Also is there a common convention for how dB levels map to positions
on a fader or meter?
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 01:46:36PM +0100, Steve Harris wrote:
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 04:42:32PM +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
I can give you a perfect example - a *reference* DAW system - ProTools.
Which, in ver. 6, has gone eye-candy.
Guess why.
The core app is still pretty plain (apart
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 02:35:56PM +0100, Chris Cannam wrote:
On Wednesday 09 Jun 2004 1:50 pm, Steve Harris wrote:
A little bit of meter standardisation wouldn't hurt - eg. the point
at which people show red seems to vary a lot, which has been
confusing for users.
Also is there a common
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 15:15, Tim Orford wrote:
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 01:46:36PM +0100, Steve Harris wrote:
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 04:42:32PM +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
I can give you a perfect example - a *reference* DAW system - ProTools.
Which, in ver. 6, has gone eye-candy.
On Wednesday 09 Jun 2004 2:37 pm, Steve Harris wrote:
Yes, IEC-268:
[...]
I think you may have just revealed about 20 quid's worth of standards
publication material, judging from the pricing on the IEC website.
It also defines which points you should mark on your scale.
And can I see what
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 03:15:12PM +0200, Tim Orford wrote:
One struggles to find pro music software in the same way that you get
in say the 3d industry. While i am not very familiar with them, i think
the Neve and SSL offerings are much more practical - not that they
are good examples to
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 04:13:21PM +0200, Alfons Adriaensen wrote:
One struggles to find pro music software in the same way that you get
in say the 3d industry. While i am not very familiar with them, i think
the Neve and SSL offerings are much more practical - not that they
are good
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 03:10:30PM +0100, Chris Cannam wrote:
On Wednesday 09 Jun 2004 2:37 pm, Steve Harris wrote:
Yes, IEC-268:
[...]
I think you may have just revealed about 20 quid's worth of standards
publication material, judging from the pricing on the IEC website.
You can get
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 02:37:31PM +0100, Steve Harris wrote:
Yes, IEC-268:
...
It also defines which points you should mark on your scale.
Does it also define the 'ballistics' ? ISTR this is a very
fast rise time 'absolute peak' type of meter. Depending on
the job at hand, a user may prefer
At Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:10:22 +0200,
Jens M Andreasen wrote:
Last time I checked, rivers flew from the top of the mountains, thru the
valleys below, and out in the ocean. Even in China :)
In Soviet Russia, river flows through YOU!
[pb]
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 11:04, Pelle Nilsson wrote:
Marek Peteraj [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
...
Second thing is that the way you percieve them shouldn't change as you
switch applications. Which is what VST perfectly fulfills - it provides
its own UI.
If I have 100 LADSPA plug-ins
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 03:10, Jens M Andreasen wrote:
On tis, 2004-06-08 at 20:54, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Colors must always be configurable. The percentage of color blind people is
much higher than most people think.
I think the percentage of colorblind males are about 10%
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 04:49, Alfons Adriaensen wrote:
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 10:06:00AM +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 21:15, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
- When I saw the collection of VST plugins that Paul Davis used
to show his VST hosting in Karlsruhe, I asked myself
Don't feel bad. I got mine right and then thought it was wrong :) Go
figure.
Jan
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 06:52, Paul Davis wrote:
Ardour: default value ctrl-button2 click
context menu = button3 click
chris - heh, i am as bad as you! i got ardour's wrong :) default value
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 23:21, Jan Depner wrote:
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 04:49, Alfons Adriaensen wrote:
On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 10:06:00AM +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 21:15, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
- When I saw the collection of VST plugins that Paul Davis used
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 07:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sorry, you are correct. In JAMin it's center click. Jeez, I wrote it, I should
know these things :-\
Jan
But obviously I don't...Doh! It's right click to go to default in all
sliders that have a default. The compressors, crossovers,
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 11:45:53 +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
VST plugins tend to be rather complex, offering tons of features and
eyecandish GUIs, while LADSPAs usually offer limited functionality, no
GUI at all(hosts usually provide simple ones to control the parameters).
But what's
On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 10:18, Steve Harris wrote:
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 11:45:53 +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
VST plugins tend to be rather complex, offering tons of features and
eyecandish GUIs, while LADSPAs usually offer limited functionality, no
GUI at all(hosts usually provide simple
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:18:58 +0100
Steve Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[OOT] I used to think that a UI spec for LADSPA (to make it competetive
with VST) was a technological problem. I now thinks its a manpower issue
(I think Paul Davis pointed this out a couple of years ago :). Games
Forgot to add...
snip
... infact if you look in many LADSPA plugins you will
see theres really more going on than there appears to be.
True that you can't have an ideal isolation of all DSP techniques,
whether simple of complex ones. But still, LADSPAs are simple plugins as
the name itself
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 06:54:32 +1000, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:18:58 +0100
Steve Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[OOT] I used to think that a UI spec for LADSPA (to make it competetive
with VST) was a technological problem. I now thinks its a manpower issue
(I
I wasn't particularly disagreeing with your proposal BTW, I was just
rambling on my pet topic :)
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 12:50:36 +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
I think thats down to two factors (and its not a good thing)
1) LADSPA developers are few in number and short in time. The basics
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 01:17:25 +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
Forgot to add...
snip
... infact if you look in many LADSPA plugins you will
see theres really more going on than there appears to be.
True that you can't have an ideal isolation of all DSP techniques,
whether simple of
On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 11:17, Steve Harris wrote:
I wasn't particularly disagreeing with your proposal BTW, I was just
rambling on my pet topic :)
NP, just trying to make you completely agree :)
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 12:50:36 +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
I think thats down to two factors
On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 11:20, Steve Harris wrote:
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 01:17:25 +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
Forgot to add...
snip
... infact if you look in many LADSPA plugins you will
see theres really more going on than there appears to be.
True that you can't have an ideal
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 01:52:02 +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
JAMin is not a plugin. Its an app.
Think about it.
A typical fx plugin takes audio as input does DSProcessing to the audio
and outputs that. What does JAMin do?
The whole purpose of JAMin is to do DSP. And if you make a send in
Hallo,
Marek Peteraj hat gesagt: // Marek Peteraj wrote:
Usability - as each host provides it's own UI for the same plugins,
there's really no usability at all. The true beauty about VSTs is that
they have the same visual appearance no matter which application you're
using. That's rule #1 for
On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 12:51, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo,
Marek Peteraj hat gesagt: // Marek Peteraj wrote:
Usability - as each host provides it's own UI for the same plugins,
there's really no usability at all. The true beauty about VSTs is that
they have the same visual appearance no
On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 12:11, Steve Harris wrote:
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 01:52:02 +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
JAMin is not a plugin. Its an app.
Think about it.
A typical fx plugin takes audio as input does DSProcessing to the audio
and outputs that. What does JAMin do?
The whole
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 04:24:05 +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 12:11, Steve Harris wrote:
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 01:52:02 +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
JAMin is not a plugin. Its an app.
Think about it.
A typical fx plugin takes audio as input does DSProcessing
Hey, I wouldn't mind working on the graphics, I just don't know where to start or
who else is working on it.
Jan
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:18 , Steve Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 11:45:53 +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
VST plugins tend to be rather complex, offering tons of
Hallo,
Marek Peteraj hat gesagt: // Marek Peteraj wrote:
Judging from the current situation of the audio market that includes
proprietary app/plugins, the popularity thereof, from the numerous
reviews i've seen and from the numerous forum threads i've read...
You're representing a very
On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 15:43, Steve Harris wrote:
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 04:24:05 +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 12:11, Steve Harris wrote:
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 01:52:02 +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
JAMin is not a plugin. Its an app.
Think about it.
A
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 05:50:42 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote:
But I intended to point out two other things:
* First is, that usability has nothing to do with nice looks. I
truely believe - and given some research time, I'm sure I could prove
it as well - that photorealistic graphical user
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 08:03:39 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey, I wouldn't mind working on the graphics, I just don't know where to start or
who else is working on it.
Ah, well, thats back to problem A, the technical problem. ;)
I lent the DSSI specification
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 08:40:54 +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
The point I didnt make is that JAMin /cannot/ be implemented efficiently
as a set of plugins. The (majority, non-ladspa) DSP code is very
intermingled, to make it run in realtime.
How much DSP code is non-ladspa in
On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 17:50, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo,
Marek Peteraj hat gesagt: // Marek Peteraj wrote:
Judging from the current situation of the audio market that includes
proprietary app/plugins, the popularity thereof, from the numerous
reviews i've seen and from the numerous
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 08:55:16PM +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
Virtual 3d guis copy the real world. Try to do it the other way around,
with widget sliders and one color for both sliders and background(most
cases). Imagine a hw which would look like that.
I agree with your point here. I used
On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 20:55 , Marek Peteraj [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:
It all depends on how you perceive different controls (different knobs
in different sections etc) and how you learn ot perceive them, i.e. how
you get to know them and how you get used to them.
Aarggg - knobs.
Hallo,
Marek Peteraj hat gesagt: // Marek Peteraj wrote:
Second thing is that the way you percieve them shouldn't change as you
switch applications. Which is what VST perfectly fulfills - it provides
its own UI.
True somehow but then also not: If I don't like a UI I'd like to be
able to
Hallo,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] hat gesagt: // [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Aarggg - knobs. One of my pet peeves. Knobs make absolutely no
sense in a GUI. There is no easy (or standard) way to control them. Note that
there are no knobs in JAMin. The parametric controls aren't even
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 08:12:07PM +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote:
But then, even the GUI gurus at Apple were forced to show a
photorealistic hard disk on the OS-X desktop. Why they did, fails
me...
surprisingly, each single partition is shown with a photorealistic
hard disk. surprisingly, if
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 01:54:58PM +0200, Marek Peteraj wrote:
Fons' Moog HP filter is a complex piece of DSP i suspect.
No, it's actually quite simple :-) The most complex one is
the four-band parametric filter I released recently, and
that's also the only one that is not intended as an AMS
On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 14:12, Frank Barknecht wrote:
Hallo,
Marek Peteraj hat gesagt: // Marek Peteraj wrote:
Second thing is that the way you percieve them shouldn't change as you
switch applications. Which is what VST perfectly fulfills - it provides
its own UI.
True somehow but then
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:03 , Chris Cannam [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:
On Tuesday 08 Jun 2004 7:16 pm, Frank Barknecht wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] hat gesagt: // [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Aarggg - knobs. One of my pet peeves.
I actually wrote a knob GUI element for Pd, which
On Tuesday 08 Jun 2004 7:46 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Right click on any slider in JAMin and it immediately goes to
the default position, whether center or zero.
Ah, now I looked for that feature but didn't find it. In Rosegarden
you double-click to zero a fader. I didn't think of
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:15 , Fons Adriaensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:
- When I saw the collection of VST plugins that Paul Davis used
to show his VST hosting in Karlsruhe, I asked myself My god,
do they all look that childish ?. This is just to say I terribly
dislike this eye-candy style, and
Just some thoughts...
As one who tends to use more than build these things, I can see the
pros and cons of the photorealistic GUI. For one thing, if it's
simulating a piece of equipment I once used (many years ago ;-) )
having the GUI mirror the original HW device makes a lot of sense
because I
On Tuesday 08 Jun 2004 8:15 pm, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
- When I saw the collection of VST plugins that Paul Davis used
to show his VST hosting in Karlsruhe, I asked myself My god,
do they all look that childish ?.
I only saw this by webcam (and 'scuse me if I just digress to say how
much I
Frank Barknecht wrote:
LADSPA combined with Jack is of course a good example of this
philosophy. Look e.g. at Jackrack: it does provide a consistent GUI
for LADSPA plugins, that you could use just fine with every other
jack-enabled application, and one will get a very usable and
consistent
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 05:50:42PM +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote:
* First is, that usability has nothing to do with nice looks. I
truely believe - and given some research time, I'm sure I could prove
it as well - that photorealistic graphical user interfaces modelled
after hardware when shown
On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 15:51, Joost Diepenmaat wrote:
There is just one problem with this approach; that once you have
seperate apps for different parts of your composition, it's usually a
lot more hassle to set up than a big giant app when you want to work
on it again. I vaguely remember a
On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 14:22, Chris Cannam wrote:
On Tuesday 08 Jun 2004 7:46 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Right click on any slider in JAMin and it immediately goes to
the default position, whether center or zero.
Ah, now I looked for that feature but didn't find it. In Rosegarden
Dave Robillard wrote:
Yep, that's LADCCA, now renamed LASH (LASH Audio Session Handler).
http://lash-audio-session-handler.org/
For me the new page takes ages to load. Anyone else experiencing this?
Albert
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Dr. Albert Graf
Dept. of Music-Informatics, University of Mainz, Germany
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