Re: Virtual Device Support ("N-way mirror code")

2013-05-25 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Freitag, 24. Mai 2013, 06:13:04 schrieb Duncan: > > 2) Due to snapshots I know have well snapshots for my backup. And even > > on SSD for my /home. I am not yet creating those in an automated way, > > but well I do use them. > > As I already mentioned the warning on the wiki, do be aware of the

Re: Virtual Device Support ("N-way mirror code")

2013-05-25 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Donnerstag, 23. Mai 2013, 18:41:11 schrieb George Mitchell: > On 05/23/2013 09:08 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > 3) As to my knowledge mount times of large partitions can be quite > > long with ReiserFS 3. > > That may well be, but I certainly wouldn't consider btrfs mount times > "fast" in

Re: Virtual Device Support ("N-way mirror code")

2013-05-23 Thread Duncan
Martin Steigerwald posted on Thu, 23 May 2013 18:08:35 +0200 as excerpted: > Am Dienstag, 21. Mai 2013, 13:19:31 schrieb Martin: >> Yep, ReiserFS has stood the test of time very well and I'm still using >> and abusing it still on various servers all the way from something like >> a decade ago! >

Re: Virtual Device Support ("N-way mirror code")

2013-05-23 Thread George Mitchell
On 05/23/2013 09:08 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: 3) As to my knowledge mount times of large partitions can be quite long with ReiserFS 3. That may well be, but I certainly wouldn't consider btrfs mount times "fast" in such cases. [root@localhost ghmitch]# time mount LABEL=BACKUP /backup re

Re: Virtual Device Support ("N-way mirror code")

2013-05-23 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Dienstag, 21. Mai 2013, 13:19:31 schrieb Martin: > Yep, ReiserFS has stood the test of time very well and I'm still using > and abusing it still on various servers all the way from something like > a decade ago! Very interesting. I only used it for a short time and it worked. But co-workers lo

Re: Virtual Device Support

2013-05-21 Thread Chris Murphy
On May 21, 2013, at 8:06 AM, Martin wrote: > On 21/05/13 04:37, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> I'm going to contradict myself and point out that mount with label or >> UUID is made unambiguous via either the default subvolume being >> mounted, or the -o subvol= option being specified. The volume lab

Re: Virtual Device Support

2013-05-21 Thread George Mitchell
In my case, I am backing up a system spanning five drives formatted btrfs, on a separate drive containing a separate backup volume and multiple complete backups, each from a different point in time. This gives me protection from filesystem corruption, since the backups are on a separate volume

Re: Virtual Device Support ("N-way mirror code")

2013-05-21 Thread Martin
Duncan, Thanks for quiet a historical summary. Yep, ReiserFS has stood the test of time very well and I'm still using and abusing it still on various servers all the way from something like a decade ago! More recently I've been putting newer systems on ext4 mainly to take advantage of extents fo

Re: Virtual Device Support

2013-05-21 Thread Martin
On 21/05/13 04:37, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On May 20, 2013, at 7:08 PM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > >> Chris Murphy posted on Sun, 19 May 2013 12:18:19 -0600 as >> excerpted: >> >>> It seems inconsistent that mount and unmount allows a /dev/ >>> designation, but only mount honors labe

Re: Virtual Device Support

2013-05-20 Thread George Mitchell
On 05/20/2013 08:59 PM, Duncan wrote: Then I ran into hardware issues that turned out to be bad caps on my 8- year-old mobo (tho it was dual-socket first-gen opteron, which I had upgraded to top-of-its-line dual-core Opteron 290s, thus four cores @ 2.8 GHz, with 8 gigs RAM, so it wasn't as perf

Re: Virtual Device Support

2013-05-20 Thread Duncan
George Mitchell posted on Mon, 20 May 2013 19:17:39 -0700 as excerpted: > Duncan, The problem affects btrfs volumes that span multiple drive. If > you are using btrfs on a single drive that works just fine. But in a > multidrive situation, sometimes it works (when umount guesses the right > dev

Re: Virtual Device Support

2013-05-20 Thread Chris Murphy
On May 20, 2013, at 7:08 PM, Duncan <1i5t5.dun...@cox.net> wrote: > Chris Murphy posted on Sun, 19 May 2013 12:18:19 -0600 as excerpted: > >> It seems inconsistent that mount and unmount allows a /dev/ designation, >> but only mount honors label and UUID. > > Yes. I'm going to contradict mys

Re: Virtual Device Support

2013-05-20 Thread George Mitchell
Duncan, The problem affects btrfs volumes that span multiple drive. If you are using btrfs on a single drive that works just fine. But in a multidrive situation, sometimes it works (when umount guesses the right device name) and sometimes it fails (when umount guesses the wrong device name).

Re: Virtual Device Support

2013-05-20 Thread Duncan
Chris Murphy posted on Sun, 19 May 2013 12:18:19 -0600 as excerpted: > On May 19, 2013, at 5:15 AM, Roman Mamedov wrote: > >> From a user perspective btrfs subvolumes have a lot in common with just >> regular directories aka folders, and nothing in common with >> (block)devices. >> "Describing

Re: Virtual Device Support

2013-05-19 Thread Chris Murphy
On May 19, 2013, at 12:18 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > It's not possible to mount regular directories with other file systems. In > some ways the btrfs subvolume behaves like a folder. In other ways it acts > like a device. If you stat the mount point for btrfs subvolumes, you get a > unique

Re: Virtual Device Support

2013-05-19 Thread Chris Murphy
On May 19, 2013, at 5:15 AM, Roman Mamedov wrote: > On Fri, 10 May 2013 07:03:38 -0700 > George Mitchell wrote: > >> One the things that is frustrating me the most at this point from a user >> perspective regarding btrfs is the current lack of virtual devices to >> describe volumes and subvo

Re: Virtual Device Support

2013-05-19 Thread Martin
OK, so to summarise: On 19/05/13 15:49, George Mitchell wrote: > In reply to both of these comments in one message, let me give you an > example. > > I use shell scripts to mount and unmount btrfs volumes for backup > purposes. Most of these volumes are not listed in fstab simply because > I do

Re: Virtual Device Support

2013-05-19 Thread George Mitchell
In reply to both of these comments in one message, let me give you an example. I use shell scripts to mount and unmount btrfs volumes for backup purposes. Most of these volumes are not listed in fstab simply because I do not want to have to clutter my fstab with volumes that are used only fo

Re: Virtual Device Support

2013-05-19 Thread Roman Mamedov
On Fri, 10 May 2013 07:03:38 -0700 George Mitchell wrote: > One the things that is frustrating me the most at this point from a user > perspective regarding btrfs is the current lack of virtual devices to > describe volumes and subvolumes. From a user perspective btrfs subvolumes have a lot in

Re: Virtual Device Support

2013-05-19 Thread Martin
On 10/05/13 15:03, George Mitchell wrote: > One the things that is frustrating me the most at this point from a user > perspective ... The current method of simply using a > random member device or a LABEL or a UUID is just not working well for > me. Having a well thought out virtual device infra

Virtual Device Support

2013-05-10 Thread George Mitchell
One the things that is frustrating me the most at this point from a user perspective regarding btrfs is the current lack of virtual devices to describe volumes and subvolumes. The current method of simply using a random member device or a LABEL or a UUID is just not working well for me. Havin