Re: [OT] Why do non-crossed ethernet cables exist?

2003-07-25 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 09:14:31PM +0300, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: Shaul Karl wrote: What do you mean by different subnet? What are the other options, why he has to be shamed if this is not his setup and why would someone choose the wrong setup? IP addressing and routing is by

[OT] Why do non-crossed ethernet cables exist?

2003-07-24 Thread Beni Cherniavsky
My home network consists of 3-4 computers and an ADSL modem all connected one to the other with cross RJ45 cables, with no hubs. This was simplest at each point in time (it started with two computers and one cable and at each point I had enough network cards) but it's somewhat inconvenient because

Re: [OT] Why do non-crossed ethernet cables exist?

2003-07-24 Thread Aviram Jenik
On Thursday 24 July 2003 16:45, Beni Cherniavsky wrote: rant about non-crossed cables I recall that some new cards autodetect polarity. Does this refer to polarity on each pair or also to Tx/Rx autodetection? Is there a chance that it will work with crossed cables anyway? I never heard

Re: [OT] Why do non-crossed ethernet cables exist?

2003-07-24 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
Beni Cherniavsky wrote: My home network consists of 3-4 computers and an ADSL modem all connected one to the other with cross RJ45 cables, with no hubs. This was simplest at each point in time (it started with two computers and one cable and at each point I had enough network cards) but it's

Re: [OT] Why do non-crossed ethernet cables exist?

2003-07-24 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Beni Cherniavsky wrote: My home network consists of 3-4 computers and an ADSL modem all connected one to the other with cross RJ45 cables, with no hubs. This was simplest at each point in time (it started with two computers and one cable and at each point I had enough network cards) but it's

Re: [OT] Why do non-crossed ethernet cables exist?

2003-07-24 Thread Beni Cherniavsky
Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote on 2003-07-24: Beni Cherniavsky wrote: My home network consists of 3-4 computers and an ADSL modem all connected one to the other with cross RJ45 cables, with no hubs. This was simplest at each point in time (it started with two computers and one cable and at each

Re: [OT] Why do non-crossed ethernet cables exist?

2003-07-24 Thread Shaul Karl
On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 06:26:19PM +0300, Beni Cherniavsky wrote: Actualy the main issue is computer 3 which holds the connection to the ADSL modem now; I rarely use this computer but I frequenltly use the net so it's up most of the day. I'd like to put a hub in front of Is it worth the

Re: [OT] Why do non-crossed ethernet cables exist?

2003-07-24 Thread Shaul Karl
On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 05:15:00PM +0300, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: You could also do it wit some routing tables, for example, I assume that you have network segment on a different subnet (shame on you if you didn't): What do you mean by different subnet? What are the other options,

Re: [OT] Why do non-crossed ethernet cables exist?

2003-07-24 Thread Eran Tromer
On 2003/07/24 20:35, Shaul Karl wrote: I believe that straight through cables are simpler to produce: you literally push the cable into the RJ connector and press it. Hardly. If you just cut a round cable and press the wires into a flat array, you get them in nearly random order. Nearly

Re: [OT] Why do non-crossed ethernet cables exist?

2003-07-24 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
Shaul Karl wrote: What do you mean by different subnet? What are the other options, why he has to be shamed if this is not his setup and why would someone choose the wrong setup? IP addressing and routing is by subnet, as in subnet mask. If you AND the IP address (as a 32 bit unsigned

Re: [OT] Why do non-crossed ethernet cables exist?

2003-07-24 Thread Beni Cherniavsky
Shaul Karl wrote on 2003-07-24: On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 06:26:19PM +0300, Beni Cherniavsky wrote: Actualy the main issue is computer 3 which holds the connection to the ADSL modem now; I rarely use this computer but I frequenltly use the net so it's up most of the day. I'd like to put a

Re: [OT] Why do non-crossed ethernet cables exist?

2003-07-24 Thread Guy Teverovsky
Take a look here for the background: http://www.netguru.co.il/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=articlesid=19 The cable issue is mostly historical. All network equipment is devided into 2 categories: - DTE (Data Terminal Equipment: NICs) - DCE (Data Communication Equipment: hubs, switches,