Re: Project Proposal (was: Re: SOT: regarding linux-unfriendly ISPs)

1999-11-13 Thread Schlomo Schapiro
Why ?? just use wvdialconf ... Anyway, I suggested it for newbees and not for people who know how to write their own pppd scripts. Schlomo On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, Oded Arbel wrote: On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, Ilya Konstantinov wrote: How do customers get it? Schlomo Schapiro wrote: That's

Re: Project Proposal (was: Re: SOT: regarding linux-unfriendly ISPs)

1999-11-12 Thread Gaal Yahas
On Fri, Nov 12, 1999 at 03:15:32PM +0200, Ilya Konstantinov wrote: How do customers get it? Login from their Windows systems, download it and mount vfat partitions? Or maybe we're should send them CDs? It's really becomes a problem when the only way to help is via phone, and on the other

Re: Project Proposal (was: Re: SOT: regarding linux-unfriendly ISPs)

1999-11-12 Thread Oded Arbel
On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, Ilya Konstantinov wrote: How do customers get it? Schlomo Schapiro wrote: That's exactly why I suggested to know tools like wvdial. It doesn't depend on a distro and is really newbee-safe in it's usage (assuming newbee knows how to logon as root). I even use it

Re: Project Proposal (was: Re: SOT: regarding linux-unfriendly ISPs)

1999-11-11 Thread Ilya Konstantinov
I'm pretty sure YAST comes with PPP setup tools, but having used SUSE for only a short time, I just don't remember how can I guide a user blindly (without knowing menus he sees). At the same time, I find it easy to guide RedHat users as they also have pppd by default and LinuxConf which has PPP

Re: Project Proposal (was: Re: SOT: regarding linux-unfriendly ISPs)

1999-11-10 Thread Schlomo Schapiro
Hi, sorry for interfereing in this nice thread, but why make life difficult ? Simply tell people to use some simple shell-based dialer (like wvdial) that does ALL this stuff. wvdial has been developed exactly for this novice style of users and has a 'wizard' to help you set up your connection.

Re: Project Proposal (was: Re: SOT: regarding linux-unfriendly ISPs)

1999-11-08 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Omer Zak [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Suggestion for a project for a youngster who is looking for a niche which would give him satisfaction, fame and riches: How about developing PPP configuration scripts for the other distributions? Then the Technical Support would need only to tell the

Re: Project Proposal (was: Re: SOT: regarding linux-unfriendly ISPs)

1999-11-08 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Oleg Goldshmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: kill `ps auxw | grep [p]ppd | awk '{print $2}'` just make it kill `ps auxw | awk '/[p]ppd/ {print $2}'` before someone else points it out ;-) -- Oleg Goldshmidt | BLOOMBERG L.P. (BFM) | [EMAIL PROTECTED] "A sense of the fundamental decencies is

Re: Project Proposal (was: Re: SOT: regarding linux-unfriendly ISPs)

1999-11-08 Thread Nir Simionovich \(Rin Solo\)
Hi Omer, On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, Omer Zak wrote: Given the realities of Customer Support as presented by Nir (isn't it wonderful to have access to someone who actually knows what is going on with customers? :-) ), I am amending my suggestion so that PPP configuration scripts (and other

Re: Project Proposal (was: Re: SOT: regarding linux-unfriendly ISPs)

1999-11-08 Thread Omer Zak
On 8 Nov 1999, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Omer Zak [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Suggestion for a project for a youngster who is looking for a niche which would give him satisfaction, fame and riches: How about developing PPP configuration scripts for the other distributions? Then

Re: Project Proposal (was: Re: SOT: regarding linux-unfriendly ISPs)

1999-11-08 Thread Ilya Konstantinov
You are all missing a point here. The user calls up when he has a Linux system already set up. With a clean Windows system, it's easy to guide the user through the installation procedure, which is always the same, but with Linux - should the tech support staff dictate the user their elite PPP

Project Proposal (was: Re: SOT: regarding linux-unfriendly ISPs)

1999-11-07 Thread Omer Zak
Suggestion for a project for a youngster who is looking for a niche which would give him satisfaction, fame and riches: How about developing PPP configuration scripts for the other distributions? Then the Technical Support would need only to tell the newbie to download the script from their Web

Re: Project Proposal (was: Re: SOT: regarding linux-unfriendly ISPs)

1999-11-07 Thread Nir Simionovich \(Rin Solo\)
Hi Omer, On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, Omer Zak wrote: Suggestion for a project for a youngster who is looking for a niche which would give him satisfaction, fame and riches: How about developing PPP configuration scripts for the other distributions? Then the Technical Support would need only to

Re: Project Proposal (was: Re: SOT: regarding linux-unfriendly ISPs)

1999-11-07 Thread Omer Zak
Given the realities of Customer Support as presented by Nir (isn't it wonderful to have access to someone who actually knows what is going on with customers? :-) ), I am amending my suggestion so that PPP configuration scripts (and other technical support scripts) would have a version which