One possibility (not necessarily applicable for this one) is that the
job involves work abroad. There are countries that do not give work
permits unless you have a degree (as a proof of special expertise that
can not be replaced with locals).
But that only applies to PhD's or the
Small disclaimer due to the fact I was asked to post the job and that a
healthy thread emerged -
I have no degree whatsoever and am extremely happy that the KISS (Keep
It Simple Stupid) axiom applies very well to the CS field.
The way I see it 90% of the jobs people actualy do in CS are not so
+5 Word! :-)
Gilboa *
* Yet another uneducated fool, that managed to stay employed during the
years by using the KISS factor. [Kudos for the new word!].
On Mon, 2003-07-07 at 15:03, Lior Kesos wrote:
Small disclaimer due to the fact I was asked to post the job and that a
healthy thread
Quoting Lior Kesos [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
The way I see it 90% of the jobs people actualy do in CS are not so
mathimatically/alogorithmic wise complex that a simple administrator
that can code like me can't deal with.
Well, in my rich work experience, I've had to maintain a lot of other people's
-Original Message-
From: Herouth Maoz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
Like that famous program from my military days, which was
always a nightmare.
They set it to run, and came back two days later for the
results. Then one of
the more clueful programmers (who didn't actually
Gilboa Davara wrote:
+5 Word! :-)
Gilboa *
* Yet another uneducated fool, that managed to stay employed during the
years by using the KISS factor.
shuks pa I may be uneducated but if I can stick my wrench into that
Menuconfig and patch kernels that can pick eggs from the farm for me I
guess
Herouth Maoz wrote:
Well, in my rich work experience, I've had to maintain a lot of other people's
code. Let me tell you one thing - code written by someone clueful about
algorithms and efficiency and data structures is *miles* away from code written
by the I learned by studying the Java book or
Herouth Maoz wrote:
Quoting Lior Kesos [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
The way I see it 90% of the jobs people actualy do in CS are not so
mathimatically/alogorithmic wise complex that a simple administrator
that can code like me can't deal with.
Well, in my rich work experience, I've had to maintain
As I said in the example itself, you don't necessarily have to have a BSc
to
have the necessary clue. However, when someone has a BSc, you can be sure
that
he *was* exposed to the required concepts and actually marked for them. So
it
gives you that much certainty.
My 2 cents to the thread:
Lior Kesos wrote on 2003-07-07:
The one things I believe you're missing out on is the ability of the
individual to teach himself.
I have learned out of -
trial and error ,
google,
My Peers source,
My Peers advice,
Articles in various developer sites,
plain curiosity and intrest tons more
On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, Idan Sofer wrote:
She was in no way a clueless person, and she had a CS degree, yet she
couldn't understand what's the hell I was trying to do.
Are you sure it was a CS degree and not a CS education degree?
Alon
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Quoting Lior Kesos [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I've heard many people being more happy with these technical school
graduates for missions that don't require the scaling of the engineers
to be a GUI programmer or a database programmer (whoops just covered 50%
of the market if not more) one does not
Alon Altman wrote:
Are you sure it was a CS degree and not a CS education degree?
-=[ Random Fortune ]=-
The program isn't debugged until the last user is dead.
I always thought it was good code if I could understand code I wrote
on Friday on Monday morning. :-)
Geoff.
--
Geoffrey S.
, 7 2003, 17:59, Herouth Maoz :
So, how do you hire people? Well, in the days when programmers were worth
their weight in gold, you had to somehow test all the four applicants that
sent you CVs. But these days, that you have 4000 applicants for every job,
including ones that don't even fit
How would you do it, if you had to contend with
thousands of CVs?
Ask for txt file format cv's and use regex with you're favorite
scripting language ?:)
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Lior Kesos - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content Development Team Leader
==
Everything should be made as simple as
Herouth Maoz wrote:
So, how do you hire people? Well, in the days when programmers were worth their
weight in gold, you had to somehow test all the four applicants that sent you
Programmers today are indeed not worth their weight in gold - but
*excellent* programmers are.
In fact, I claim that
Meir Michanie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I quit univeristy twice and I am partialy proud of it.
While this has no direct relevance to the B.Sc. dilemma, I suggest you
don't mention that to your next potential employer. A question that
jumps to my head immediately is, will you be equally proud of
On Monday 07 July 2003 10:52, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
One possibility (not necessarily applicable for this one) is that the
job involves work abroad. There are countries that do not give work
permits unless you have a degree (as a proof of special expertise that
can not be replaced
On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 18:35:39 +0300
Lior Kesos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How would you do it, if you had to contend with
thousands of CVs?
Ask for txt file format cv's and ...
GOOD!
just asking for txt file format would definitely cut
the clueless replies by 50% (those who can only write
in
I would like to remark the point. I am not saying that ppl with Bsc are
not good. I am saying that if you have the knowledge of all the previous
points, so the last point is superflous.
another two things, try to sum up the number of years of experience
requiered, if the guy is good he has have
-Original Message-
From: Meir Michanie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
Why a Bsc is so important, Most of the Phds guys I know are
not good for practical issues, and most of them even not at theorical.
I don't want anyone to take offence, but when I interview people, I look at
Arik, (and the list)
On the other hand, in 1997-2000 many people just quit university
because the start-up world was too enticing, and they are good enough to
get a job without a degree. After all, 5.4% of the richest people in the
world are collage dropouts [1].
The same thing happend to me
Meir Michanie wrote:
*Bsc in Computer science - a must.
Why a Bsc is so important, Most of the Phds guys I know are not good for practical issues, and most of them even not at theorical.
I quit univeristy twice and I am partialy proud of it.
I try to think hard enought why it could be of
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