On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 06:09:09PM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
Aunt Tillie shouldn't try to manually configure a kernel.
Ummm, maybe Aunt Tillie wants to learn how to configure a kernel After
all, all of us at one point in time were newbies in terms of configuring
kernels, etc.
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1. When we have a platform symbol for a reference design like MVME147, do
we stick to its spec sheet or consider it representative of all derivatives
(which may have other facilities)?
At most it bounds the busses directly available. I've yet to see VME cardbus
adapters but its quite
Christoph Hellwig wrote:
That's ok as long as she doesn't add backstreet boys songtexts as long as your
signature to her mails.
In fact, they aren't so long once you cut out the repetitions.
On the other hand she should _really_ learn how to do it - like we all did.
Hey, nothing stops
Michael Meissner [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 06:09:09PM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
Aunt Tillie shouldn't try to manually configure a kernel.
Ummm, maybe Aunt Tillie wants to learn how to configure a kernel After
all, all of us at one point in time were newbies in
On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 12:34:13PM -0400, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
Even supposing somebody were loony enough to do that, how would preserving
an old interface in amber do anything to explore new UI possibilities?
I don't know about the rest of the world, but I _much_ prefer the old
menuconfig to
On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 01:22:35PM -0400, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
Michael Meissner [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 06:09:09PM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
Aunt Tillie shouldn't try to manually configure a kernel.
Ummm, maybe Aunt Tillie wants to learn how to configure a
Tomlinson, Edward writes:
This does not seem to be making it to the from my sympatico account... Is
lkml blocking sympatico.ca?
Not that I know of, Matti?
(btw, [EMAIL PROTECTED] is much better place to send issues
like this).
Later,
David S. Miller
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Steve Lord, please work with Yura to resolve the bug that mongo triggers in
XFS. I assume you will be as eager as we usually are for any script that can
reproduce a bug.
Yura's benchmarks don't really show off the strengths of XFS, just as the
spanish benchmark didn't show off the strengths of
On Fri, 18 May 2001, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
Tom Rini [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
SCSI emulation over IDE, CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDESCSI. You have the SCSI mid
layer code but no SCSI hardware drivers. It is a realistic case for an
embedded CD-RW appliance.
Or alternatively, you want to
On Fri, 18 May 2001, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
That being the case, we do face a question of design
philosophy, expressed as a policy question about how to design
rulesets. Actually two questions:
1. When we have a platform symbol for a reference design like MVME147, do
we stick to its
David S. Miller wrote:
Peter Rival writes:
Really? I just checked and it's still there from what I see. We're talking
about the Dell 8450/700 w/ IIS SWC 3.0 result, right? I'm hoping that
they're deemed NC, but I don't see it yet...
Sorry, they are there in the table, but marked
On 05/18/2001 at 02:44:07 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But the real question is whether the old tools have enough value to be
worth the effort. What problem are you trying to solve here?
How about:
1. Some of us are perfectly satisfied with the existing tools and don't want
them to
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On Fri, 18 May 2001 10:53:53 -0400,
Eric S. Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(a) Back off the capability approach. That is, accept that
people doing configuration are going to explicitly and
exhaustively specify low-level hardware.
No,
On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 09:02:51PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
What I'm seeing however in an other program is that select says I
can read from the socket, and that read returns 0, with errno set
to EGAIN. I call select() again, with returns and says I can read
No no no. If the read does not
On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 11:51:28AM -0400, John Cowan wrote:
Jes Sorensen wrote:
Telling them to install an updated gcc for kernel compilation
is a necessary evil, which can easily be done without disturbing the
rest of the system. Updating the system's python installation is not a
Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
What I am trying to say is that if you can infer probable configuration
categories that are relevant then instead of automatically filling the other
areas in and blocking changing them without using vi you can put the other
options as a submenu. That guides the
But the real question is whether the old tools have enough value to be
worth the effort. What problem are you trying to solve here?
Im just playing with ideas and writing a CML1 parser for amusement while I
ponder single pass computation of the entire dependancy graph from a CML1
rule base 8)
David S. Miller wrote:
J Sloan writes:
Microsoft finally managed to get a better result using
an all-out, bet the farm, benchmark buster setup
with a special web cache in front of iis.
I haven't heard anyone talk about the fact that their 8-cpu numbers
got disqualified and aren't
On Friday 18 May 2001 09:19, Jes Sorensen wrote:
Replacing the code does not require changing the style of the config
files. Thats a major problem with CML2, you introduce a new 'let me do
everything for you' tool that relies on a programming language that is
not being shipped by any major
On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 01:02:08PM -0700, David S. Miller wrote:
Tomlinson, Edward writes:
This does not seem to be making it to the from my sympatico account...
Is lkml blocking sympatico.ca?
Not that I know of, Matti?
Not at the MTA level. If the message appears to go inside,
I want to understand what you're driving at here and I don't get it. What's
What I am trying to say is that if you can infer probable configuration
categories that are relevant then instead of automatically filling the other
areas in and blocking changing them without using vi you can put the
Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I think you're confusing a couple of different issues here, Alan. Even
supposing CML2 could parse CML1 rulesets, the design question about how
configuration *should* work (that is, what kind of user experience we
want to create and who we optimize ruleset
Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Being able to turn CML2 into CML1 might be the more useful exercise.
That's...not a completely crazy idea. Hmmm...
It might be possible to take a CML2 rulebase and generate a sort of stupid
jackleg CML1 translation of it. The resulting config.in would be huge
and
Both of these 'problems' assume that you can have IDE or PCMCIA on these
particular boxes. Does anyone know if that's actually true?
The answer is: no, you can't.
I found a feature list for the MVME147 on the web at
http://www.mcg.mot.com/cfm/templates/article.cfm?PageID=1095. It
(c) Decide not to support this case and document the fact in the
rulesfile. If you're going put gunge on the VME bus that replaces
the SBC's on-board facilities, you can hand-hack your own configs.
In general this is the best option, if you create a non-standard
Eric == Eric S Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Eric Jes Sorensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
For a start, so far there has been no reason whatsoever to change
the format of definitions.
Eric The judgment of the kbuild team is unanimous that you are
Eric mistaken on this. That's the five people
Peter Rival wrote:
David S. Miller wrote:
J Sloan writes:
Microsoft finally managed to get a better result using
an all-out, bet the farm, benchmark buster setup
with a special web cache in front of iis.
I haven't heard anyone talk about the fact that their 8-cpu numbers
Do you really believe that anyone is going to maintain the CML1 tools
for as long as a nanosecond after they get dropped out of the kernel tree?
Do you really believe anyone would be dumb enough to delete them out of spite
or to further your political machinations if they could both handle the
Release 0.3.2 of JFS was made available today.
Drop 32 on May 18, 2001 (jfs-0.3.2-patch.tar.gz) includes fixes to the
file system and utilities.
Function and Fixes in release 0.3.2
- Remove the warning message from fsck when partition is mounted read-only
- Fix for assert(mp-count)
if you punt in case C you should then have a mode where all dependancies
are ignored and all options are presented to the person ding the config.
This is FAR better then forcing them to hand-hack the config file.
possibly split the rules file into two parts.
part 1. absolute requirements (i.e.
The latest version is always available at http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/cml2/
Release 1.4.5: Fri May 18 02:02:27 EDT 2001
* Rulesfile updated for 2.4.5pre3, 2.4.4ac10.
The project page now also includes a download URL for the latest
version of the Configure.help file. It features over 340
I think you're confusing a couple of different issues here, Alan. Even
supposing CML2 could parse CML1 rulesets, the design question about how
configuration *should* work (that is, what kind of user experience we
want to create and who we optimize ruleset design for) wouldn't go away.
It
Christoph Hellwig wrote:
On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 11:51:28AM -0400, John Cowan wrote:
Jes Sorensen wrote:
Telling them to install an updated gcc for kernel compilation
is a necessary evil, which can easily be done without disturbing the
rest of the system. Updating the system's python
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