Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Call to Action Re: [PATCH 0/7] Code of Conduct: Fix some wording, and add an interpretation document

2018-11-03 Thread Eric S. Raymond
uot; in that? -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond My work is funded by the Internet Civil Engineering Institute: https://icei.org Please visit their site and donate: the civilization you save might be your own. signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Call to Action Re: [PATCH 0/7] Code of Conduct: Fix some wording, and add an interpretation document

2018-11-03 Thread Eric S. Raymond
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Re: [Ksummit-discuss] The linux devs can rescind their license grant.

2018-10-27 Thread Eric S. Raymond
ly. The prose style doesn't match. MikeeUSA could barely maintain coherent communication; this guy is using language that indicates he's at least several degrees brighter. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond My work is funded by the Internet Civil Engineering Institute

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] The linux devs can rescind their license grant.

2018-10-27 Thread Eric S. Raymond
ly. The prose style doesn't match. MikeeUSA could barely maintain coherent communication; this guy is using language that indicates he's at least several degrees brighter. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond My work is funded by the Internet Civil Engineering Institute

Re: The linux devs can rescind their license grant.

2018-10-26 Thread Eric S. Raymond
why I'm trying to get the kernel leadership to repair its unnecessarily high-handed behavior before somebody gets pissed off enough to actually drop a bomb. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond My work is funded by the Internet Civil Engineering Institute: https://i

Re: The linux devs can rescind their license grant.

2018-10-26 Thread Eric S. Raymond
why I'm trying to get the kernel leadership to repair its unnecessarily high-handed behavior before somebody gets pissed off enough to actually drop a bomb. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond My work is funded by the Internet Civil Engineering Institute: https://i

Re: The linux devs can rescind their license grant.

2018-10-25 Thread Eric S. Raymond
it is *my* job to fix this mess, or at least to give it a good hard try. I doubt they're trolling; what would be the point? -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond My work is funded by the Internet Civil Engineering Institute: https://icei.org Please visit their site and don

Re: The linux devs can rescind their license grant.

2018-10-25 Thread Eric S. Raymond
it is *my* job to fix this mess, or at least to give it a good hard try. I doubt they're trolling; what would be the point? -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond My work is funded by the Internet Civil Engineering Institute: https://icei.org Please visit their site and don

Re: The linux devs can rescind their license grant.

2018-10-25 Thread Eric S. Raymond
but by a public RFC process and consensus-building - a process in which even those who lost arguments about the construction of the code could know they had been heard. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond My work is funded by the Internet Civil Engineering Institute: https:/

Re: The linux devs can rescind their license grant.

2018-10-25 Thread Eric S. Raymond
but by a public RFC process and consensus-building - a process in which even those who lost arguments about the construction of the code could know they had been heard. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond My work is funded by the Internet Civil Engineering Institute: https:/

Re: The linux devs can rescind their license grant.

2018-10-25 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Theodore Y. Ts'o : > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 03:39:01PM -0400, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > > Under Jacobsen vs. Katzer (535 f 3d 1373 fed cir 2008) authors of > > GPLed software have a specific right to relief (including injunctive > > relief) against misappropriation of their

Re: The linux devs can rescind their license grant.

2018-10-25 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Theodore Y. Ts'o : > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 03:39:01PM -0400, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > > Under Jacobsen vs. Katzer (535 f 3d 1373 fed cir 2008) authors of > > GPLed software have a specific right to relief (including injunctive > > relief) against misappropriation of their

Re: The linux devs can rescind their license grant.

2018-10-25 Thread Eric S. Raymond
ainst perpetual grants I think you are incurring a grave risk by assuming the dissidents have no ammunition. Better for both sides to climb down from a confrontational position before real damage gets done. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond My work is funded by

Re: The linux devs can rescind their license grant.

2018-10-25 Thread Eric S. Raymond
ainst perpetual grants I think you are incurring a grave risk by assuming the dissidents have no ammunition. Better for both sides to climb down from a confrontational position before real damage gets done. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond My work is funded by

Re: [PATCH 0/7] Code of Conduct: Fix some wording, and add an interpretation document

2018-10-21 Thread Eric S. Raymond
riate for an international project. Best to leave the whole mess out and just pledge to treat individuals well. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond My work is funded by the Internet Civil Engineering Institute: https://icei.org Please visit their site and donate: the civilization you save might be your own.

Re: [PATCH 0/7] Code of Conduct: Fix some wording, and add an interpretation document

2018-10-21 Thread Eric S. Raymond
riate for an international project. Best to leave the whole mess out and just pledge to treat individuals well. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond My work is funded by the Internet Civil Engineering Institute: https://icei.org Please visit their site and donate: the civilization you save might be your own.

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors

2018-10-10 Thread Eric S. Raymond
. If we want to designate protected classes to be called out in conductt guidelines, an RFC should be floated first and the change should be made only if rough consensus has been achieved. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond My work is funded by the Internet Ci

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors

2018-10-10 Thread Eric S. Raymond
. If we want to designate protected classes to be called out in conductt guidelines, an RFC should be floated first and the change should be made only if rough consensus has been achieved. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond My work is funded by the Internet Ci

Re: Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.

2018-09-29 Thread Eric S. Raymond
for achieving and maintaining consensus on difficult issues. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond My work is funded by the Internet Civil Engineering Institute: https://icei.org Please visit their site and donate: the civilization you save might be your own.

Re: Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.

2018-09-29 Thread Eric S. Raymond
for achieving and maintaining consensus on difficult issues. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond My work is funded by the Internet Civil Engineering Institute: https://icei.org Please visit their site and donate: the civilization you save might be your own.

Re: Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.

2018-09-29 Thread Eric S. Raymond
n ethos issue, and much more fundamental. I endorse a suggestion made elsewhere that a revised CoC would best be developed by an RFC-like process. Because *that is how we do such things*; that is *our* culture's mechanism for achieving and maintaining consensus on difficult issues. --

Re: Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.

2018-09-29 Thread Eric S. Raymond
n ethos issue, and much more fundamental. I endorse a suggestion made elsewhere that a revised CoC would best be developed by an RFC-like process. Because *that is how we do such things*; that is *our* culture's mechanism for achieving and maintaining consensus on difficult issues. --

Re: Licenses and revocability, in a paragraph or less.

2018-09-27 Thread Eric S. Raymond
ent paralegal could write the brief in an evening. Hell, I could almost do it myself. I do not personally want to see this happen. But that it is possible is a fact all parties must deal with. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond My work is funded by the Internet Civil

Re: Licenses and revocability, in a paragraph or less.

2018-09-27 Thread Eric S. Raymond
ent paralegal could write the brief in an evening. Hell, I could almost do it myself. I do not personally want to see this happen. But that it is possible is a fact all parties must deal with. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond My work is funded by the Internet Civil

Re: Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.

2018-09-25 Thread Eric S. Raymond
t should be a clue that imposing the CoC without a lot of public discussion and preparation was a mistake, and it should be revereted until at least rough consensus in fovor of some improvement on the old Code is achieved. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond My w

Re: Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.

2018-09-25 Thread Eric S. Raymond
t should be a clue that imposing the CoC without a lot of public discussion and preparation was a mistake, and it should be revereted until at least rough consensus in fovor of some improvement on the old Code is achieved. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond My w

Re: Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.

2018-09-25 Thread Eric S. Raymond
ltural group. We have nothing to gain by getting entangled with political culture wars, and everything to lose. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond My work is funded by the Internet Civil Engineering Institute: https://icei.org Please visit their site and donate: the civ

Re: Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.

2018-09-25 Thread Eric S. Raymond
ltural group. We have nothing to gain by getting entangled with political culture wars, and everything to lose. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond My work is funded by the Internet Civil Engineering Institute: https://icei.org Please visit their site and donate: the civ

On holy wars, and a plea for peace

2018-09-23 Thread Eric S. Raymond
e it? When you have an answer to that question, you will know what we need to do about the CoC and the "killswitch" revolt. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always

On holy wars, and a plea for peace

2018-09-23 Thread Eric S. Raymond
e it? When you have an answer to that question, you will know what we need to do about the CoC and the "killswitch" revolt. -- http://www.catb.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it always

Re: Cross-reference analysis reveals problems in 2.4.6pre9

2001-07-03 Thread Eric S. Raymond
rom someone who can fill in the new MIPS entries, so initial results from the posting are quite good. -- http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond The direct use of physical force is so poor a solution to the problem of limited resources that it is commonly employed only by small

Re: Cross-reference analysis reveals problems in 2.4.6pre9

2001-07-03 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Steven J. Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I can fill in the blanks on all of these for you. I won't clutter > up the mailing list with the complete descriptions. That would be excellent. Please do! -- http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond The spiri

Re: Cross-reference analysis reveals problems in 2.4.6pre9

2001-07-03 Thread Eric S. Raymond
ists again. I put the symbols we discussed previously on my ignore list. What's your beef this time? -- http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond The saddest life is that of a political aspirant under democracy. His failure is ignominious and his success is dis

Cross-reference analysis reveals problems in 2.4.6pre9

2001-07-03 Thread Eric S. Raymond
responsible maintainers please supply help entries for the above? -- http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond "Boys who own legal firearms have much lower rates of delinquency and drug use and are even slightly less delinquent than nonowners of guns." -- U.

Cross-reference analysis reveals problems in 2.4.6pre9

2001-07-03 Thread Eric S. Raymond
responsible maintainers please supply help entries for the above? -- a href=http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;Eric S. Raymond/a Boys who own legal firearms have much lower rates of delinquency and drug use and are even slightly less delinquent than nonowners of guns. -- U.S

Re: Cross-reference analysis reveals problems in 2.4.6pre9

2001-07-03 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Steven J. Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I can fill in the blanks on all of these for you. I won't clutter up the mailing list with the complete descriptions. That would be excellent. Please do! -- a href=http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;Eric S. Raymond/a The spirit of resistance

Re: Cross-reference analysis reveals problems in 2.4.6pre9

2001-07-03 Thread Eric S. Raymond
discussed previously on my ignore list. What's your beef this time? -- a href=http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;Eric S. Raymond/a The saddest life is that of a political aspirant under democracy. His failure is ignominious and his success is disgraceful. -- H.L. Mencken - To unsubscribe

Re: Cross-reference analysis reveals problems in 2.4.6pre9

2001-07-03 Thread Eric S. Raymond
MIPS entries, so initial results from the posting are quite good. -- a href=http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;Eric S. Raymond/a The direct use of physical force is so poor a solution to the problem of limited resources that it is commonly employed only by small children and great nations

Re: Missing help entries in 2.4.6pre5

2001-06-21 Thread Eric S. Raymond
worth the effort. -- http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. -- Thomas Je

Re: Controversy over dynamic linking -- how to end the panic

2001-06-21 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Andrew Pimlott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 03:17:16PM -0400, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > > IANAL, but I believe that Linus's position as anthology copyright holder > > makes him privileged in this respect. > > Regardless of what you find in the b

Re: Missing help entries in 2.4.6pre5

2001-06-21 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Russell King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 03:49:34PM -0400, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > > CONFIG_XSCALE_IQ80310 > > I think we've covered this one before. Yes. But if I don't ask, I won't ncessarily know when it changes status. -- http:

Re: Controversy over dynamic linking -- how to end the panic

2001-06-21 Thread Eric S. Raymond
ments, as are many people. IANAL, but I believe that Linus's position as anthology copyright holder makes him privileged in this respect. My wife, who *is* an attorney, will be researching this. -- http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond If gun laws in fact worked, the

Controversy over dynamic linking -- how to end the panic

2001-06-21 Thread Eric S. Raymond
--- I believe this would express the present policy clearly enough to soothe jittery nerves at a lot of companies that are worried about this issue. -- http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond Government: If you refuse to pay unjust t

Controversy over dynamic linking -- how to end the panic

2001-06-21 Thread Eric S. Raymond
that are worried about this issue. -- a href=http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;Eric S. Raymond/a Government: If you refuse to pay unjust taxes, your property will be confiscated. If you attempt to defend your property, you will be arrested. If you resist arrest, you will be clubbed. If you

Re: Missing help entries in 2.4.6pre5

2001-06-21 Thread Eric S. Raymond
/~esr/;Eric S. Raymond/a The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. -- Thomas Jefferson, 1823 - To unsubscribe from this list: send

Re: Missing help entries in 2.4.6pre5

2001-06-21 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Russell King [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 03:49:34PM -0400, Eric S. Raymond wrote: CONFIG_XSCALE_IQ80310 I think we've covered this one before. Yes. But if I don't ask, I won't ncessarily know when it changes status. -- a href=http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr

Re: Controversy over dynamic linking -- how to end the panic

2001-06-21 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Andrew Pimlott [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 03:17:16PM -0400, Eric S. Raymond wrote: IANAL, but I believe that Linus's position as anthology copyright holder makes him privileged in this respect. Regardless of what you find in the books, recall that Linus has stated

Re: Controversy over dynamic linking -- how to end the panic

2001-06-21 Thread Eric S. Raymond
believe that Linus's position as anthology copyright holder makes him privileged in this respect. My wife, who *is* an attorney, will be researching this. -- a href=http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;Eric S. Raymond/a If gun laws in fact worked, the sponsors of this type of legislation should

Kernel configuration. It's not just a job, it's an adventure!

2001-06-16 Thread Eric S. Raymond
ag. quit -- quit, discarding changes. exit -- exit, saving the configuration. You can move in compass directions n,e,w,s,ne,nw,se,sw or dn for down. > quit -- http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/

Kernel configuration. It's not just a job, it's an adventure!

2001-06-16 Thread Eric S. Raymond
-- exit, saving the configuration. You can move in compass directions n,e,w,s,ne,nw,se,sw or dn for down. quit -- a href=http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;Eric S. Raymond/a What, then is law [government

Re: Configure.help is complete

2001-05-31 Thread Eric S. Raymond
a Promise Fasttrak(tm) card but do not use the BIOS provided > raid feature, say "N". Um, tell me what the symbol name and prompt for this is, please? -- http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond [President Clinton] boasts about 186,000 people denied firearms

Re: Configure.help is complete

2001-05-31 Thread Eric S. Raymond
José Luis Domingo López <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Would it be great to have a similar documentation for those hundreds of > "files" under /proc ?. Yes, this would be wonderful. Are you volunteering to write it? -- http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Ra

Configure.help is complete

2001-05-31 Thread Eric S. Raymond
our standards now, and for the sake of having a well-documentated kernel and configuration system I submit that we ought to. -- http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond Never could an increase of comfort or security be a sufficient good to be bought at the pr

Re: Configure.help is complete

2001-05-31 Thread Eric S. Raymond
for this is, please? -- a href=http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;Eric S. Raymond/a [President Clinton] boasts about 186,000 people denied firearms under the Brady Law rules. The Brady Law has been in force for three years. In that time, they have prosecuted seven people and put three of them

Re: Configure.help is complete

2001-05-31 Thread Eric S. Raymond
José Luis Domingo López [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Would it be great to have a similar documentation for those hundreds of files under /proc ?. Yes, this would be wonderful. Are you volunteering to write it? -- a href=http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;Eric S. Raymond/a [W]hat country can

Configure.help is complete

2001-05-31 Thread Eric S. Raymond
our standards now, and for the sake of having a well-documentated kernel and configuration system I submit that we ought to. -- a href=http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;Eric S. Raymond/a Never could an increase of comfort or security be a sufficient good to be bought at the price

Only 5 undocumented configuration symbols left

2001-05-30 Thread Eric S. Raymond
/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond The people cannot delegate to government the power to do anything which would be unlawful for them to do themselves. -- John Locke, "A Treatise Concerning Civil Government" - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-k

Re: Remaining undocumented Configure.help symbols

2001-05-30 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Harald Welte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Tue, May 29, 2001 at 02:59:40PM -0400, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > > > CONFIG_NET_CLS_TCINDEX > > If you say Y here, you will be able to classify outgoing packets > according to the tc_index field of the skb. You will want th

Re: Remaining undocumented Configure.help symbols

2001-05-30 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Harald Welte [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, May 29, 2001 at 02:59:40PM -0400, Eric S. Raymond wrote: CONFIG_NET_CLS_TCINDEX If you say Y here, you will be able to classify outgoing packets according to the tc_index field of the skb. You will want this feature if you want

Only 5 undocumented configuration symbols left

2001-05-30 Thread Eric S. Raymond
://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;Eric S. Raymond/a The people cannot delegate to government the power to do anything which would be unlawful for them to do themselves. -- John Locke, A Treatise Concerning Civil Government - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body

Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: Configure.help entries wanted

2001-05-25 Thread Eric S. Raymond
ons either.) -- http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond Courage is resistance of fear, mastery of fear, not absence of fear. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info

Re: Configure.help entries wanted

2001-05-25 Thread Eric S. Raymond
nformation for Illegal Dependency > + Faults, that is, for Read after Write, Write after Write or Write > + after Read violations. This option is ignored if you are compiling > + for an Itanium A step processor (CONFIG_ITANIUM_ASTEP_SPECIFIC). If > + you're unsure, select Y. Excellent! T

Re: Configure.help entries wanted

2001-05-25 Thread Eric S. Raymond
+ for an Itanium A step processor (CONFIG_ITANIUM_ASTEP_SPECIFIC). If + you're unsure, select Y. Excellent! This is a fine start. -- a href=http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;Eric S. Raymond/a If I must write the truth, I am disposed to avoid every assembly of bishops; for of no synod

Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: Configure.help entries wanted

2001-05-25 Thread Eric S. Raymond
that neither of these symbols is actually set in the ARM config file! This is kind of a mess. Is it going to be fixed in the next merge? (They're not the only dead symbols. CONFIG_TBOX and CONFIG_SHARK don't have associated questions either.) -- a href=http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;Eric S

What's up with GT96100 in the MIPS config file?

2001-05-23 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Can anybody shed any light on this? -- http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond The saddest life is that of a political aspirant under democracy. His failure is ignominious and his success is disgraceful. -- H.L. Mencken - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line &q

What's up with GT96100 in the MIPS config file?

2001-05-23 Thread Eric S. Raymond
on this? -- a href=http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;Eric S. Raymond/a The saddest life is that of a political aspirant under democracy. His failure is ignominious and his success is disgraceful. -- H.L. Mencken - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux

Re: Background to the argument about CML2 design philosophy

2001-05-22 Thread Eric S. Raymond
files. No, that's not the case. Would it be too much to ask that you learn how the existing language works brfore proposing improvements? -- http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably by the Prohibition law

Re: Background to the argument about CML2 design philosophy

2001-05-22 Thread Eric S. Raymond
not the case. Would it be too much to ask that you learn how the existing language works brfore proposing improvements? -- a href=http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;Eric S. Raymond/a The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably by the Prohibition law. For nothing is more

Re: Background to the argument about CML2 design philosophy

2001-05-21 Thread Eric S. Raymond
body could come up with a way to support configurable colors that didn't seem like way more trouble than it was worth. -- http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond "...quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est." [...a sword never kills anybody; i

Dead symbols in CMl1

2001-05-21 Thread Eric S. Raymond
5 serial port' CONFIG_SERIAL_21285_CONSOLE fi fi --- drivers/scsi/Config.in 2001/05/22 00:55:54 1.1 +++ drivers/scsi/Config.in 2001/05/22 00:56:01 @@ -39,7 +39,6 @@ if [ "$CONFIG_TC" = "y" ]; then dep_tristate 'DEC NCR53C94 Scsi Driver' CONFIG_SCSI_DECNCR $

Re: Background to the argument about CML2 design philosophy

2001-05-21 Thread Eric S. Raymond
same place, in the same formats, as CML1. So you should in fact be able to type `make menuconfig' and `make oldconfig' with good results. Have you actually tried this? -- http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms

Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up

2001-05-21 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Brent D. Norris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > didn't Eric say that this has stalled though? Is that not the case? Nope. Greg is still working. He got the first version of the theorem prover working recently. -- http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond A wis

Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up

2001-05-21 Thread Eric S. Raymond
1.5.x for > CML2, since that is what many dists ship with? It wouldn't be too difficult. But it would make the code heavier, and I'm not clear that it would make anybody happy who isn't already willing to deal with the design concept. -- http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;>Eric S

Re: Background to the argument about CML2 design philosophy

2001-05-21 Thread Eric S. Raymond
people are trying to tell me. I'll keep doing that. Eventually the bellyachers may get a message about what kind of behavior gains them influence and what kind loses them influence. That's a social-systems hack of a sort ;-). -- http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond I

Re: Background to the argument about CML2 design philosophy

2001-05-21 Thread Eric S. Raymond
a message about what kind of behavior gains them influence and what kind loses them influence. That's a social-systems hack of a sort ;-). -- a href=http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;Eric S. Raymond/a I don't like the idea that the police department seems bent on keeping a pool

Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up

2001-05-21 Thread Eric S. Raymond
that is what many dists ship with? It wouldn't be too difficult. But it would make the code heavier, and I'm not clear that it would make anybody happy who isn't already willing to deal with the design concept. -- a href=http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;Eric S. Raymond/a The world is filled

Re: Background to the argument about CML2 design philosophy

2001-05-21 Thread Eric S. Raymond
should in fact be able to type `make menuconfig' and `make oldconfig' with good results. Have you actually tried this? -- a href=http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;Eric S. Raymond/a The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered as the palladium of the liberties

Dead symbols in CMl1

2001-05-21 Thread Eric S. Raymond
]; then dep_tristate 'DEC NCR53C94 Scsi Driver' CONFIG_SCSI_DECNCR $CONFIG_SCSI fi - dep_tristate 'DEC SII Scsi Driver' CONFIG_SCSI_DECSII $CONFIG_SCSI fi if [ $CONFIG_PCI = y ]; then End of diffs. -- a href=http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;Eric S. Raymond/a Hoplophobia (n

Re: Background to the argument about CML2 design philosophy

2001-05-21 Thread Eric S. Raymond
to support configurable colors that didn't seem like way more trouble than it was worth. -- a href=http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;Eric S. Raymond/a ...quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est. [...a sword never kills anybody; it's a tool in the killer's hand

Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up

2001-05-21 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Brent D. Norris [EMAIL PROTECTED]: didn't Eric say that this has stalled though? Is that not the case? Nope. Greg is still working. He got the first version of the theorem prover working recently. -- a href=http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;Eric S. Raymond/a A wise and frugal

Re: Background to the argument about CML2 design philosophy

2001-05-20 Thread Eric S. Raymond
d I don't know about it, CML2 is going in between 2.5.1 and 2.5.2. The engine is working. Why is it not yet time to discuss ruleset design and modes? -- http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to

Re: Background to the argument about CML2 design philosophy

2001-05-20 Thread Eric S. Raymond
the overhead yourselves? Sigh... -- http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond "Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action."

Re: Background to the argument about CML2 design philosophy

2001-05-20 Thread Eric S. Raymond
t; these guys might want to *explicitly turn off* some of this stuff" - so > provide an option under "Are you insane?" which presents all the "derived" > symbols and allows the hackers to manually turn stuff off. Interesting thought... --

Background to the argument about CML2 design philosophy

2001-05-20 Thread Eric S. Raymond
e we've always done them a certain way, and who am I to even dare *think* about raising different possibilities? -- http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond [The disarming of citizens] has a double effect, it palsies the hand and brutalizes the mind: a habitual dis

Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up

2001-05-20 Thread Eric S. Raymond
ie mode and writing constraints like this: require AUNT_TILLIE implies FOO >= BAR This is exactly why the CML2 ruleset has EXPERT, WIZARD, and TUNING policy symbols, as hooks for doing things like this. -- http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond No one who's seen it in

Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up

2001-05-20 Thread Eric S. Raymond
sure it's possible to disable the latter form. I don't understand this request. I have no concept of `advisory' dependencies. What are you talking about? Is my documentation horribly unclear? -- http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond "Both oligarch and

Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up

2001-05-20 Thread Eric S. Raymond
to disable the latter form. I don't understand this request. I have no concept of `advisory' dependencies. What are you talking about? Is my documentation horribly unclear? -- a href=http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;Eric S. Raymond/a Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people

Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up

2001-05-20 Thread Eric S. Raymond
AUNT_TILLIE implies FOO = BAR This is exactly why the CML2 ruleset has EXPERT, WIZARD, and TUNING policy symbols, as hooks for doing things like this. -- a href=http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;Eric S. Raymond/a No one who's seen it in action can say the phrase government help

Background to the argument about CML2 design philosophy

2001-05-20 Thread Eric S. Raymond
=http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;Eric S. Raymond/a [The disarming of citizens] has a double effect, it palsies the hand and brutalizes the mind: a habitual disuse of physical forces totally destroys the moral [force]; and men lose at once the power of protecting themselves, and of discerning the cause

Re: Background to the argument about CML2 design philosophy

2001-05-20 Thread Eric S. Raymond
an option under Are you insane? which presents all the derived symbols and allows the hackers to manually turn stuff off. Interesting thought... -- a href=http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;Eric S. Raymond/a I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which grant[s

Re: Background to the argument about CML2 design philosophy

2001-05-20 Thread Eric S. Raymond
? Sigh... -- a href=http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;Eric S. Raymond/a Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action. -- George Washington

Re: Background to the argument about CML2 design philosophy

2001-05-20 Thread Eric S. Raymond
it, CML2 is going in between 2.5.1 and 2.5.2. The engine is working. Why is it not yet time to discuss ruleset design and modes? -- a href=http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;Eric S. Raymond/a That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just

Brown-paper-bag bug in m68k, sparc, and sparc64 config files

2001-05-19 Thread Eric S. Raymond
_ST" != "n" ]; then + if [ "$CONFIG_CHR_DEV_ST" != "n" ]; then int 'Maximum number of SCSI tapes that can be loaded as modules' CONFIG_ST_EXTRA_DEVS 2 fi -- http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond Conservatism is the blind and

Brown-paper-bag bug in m68k, sparc, and sparc64 config files

2001-05-19 Thread Eric S. Raymond
that can be loaded as modules' CONFIG_ST_EXTRA_DEVS 2 fi -- a href=http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;Eric S. Raymond/a Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message

Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up

2001-05-18 Thread Eric S. Raymond
be worth the effort. What problem are you trying to solve here? -- http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it. -- John Adams, in a letter to Thomas Jefferson. - To unsubscribe from this list: s

Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up

2001-05-18 Thread Eric S. Raymond
g on their visibility predicate But perhaps I can think up a solution to that one over lunch. -- http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond You [should] not examine legislation in the light of the benefits it will convey if properly administered, but in the light of the wrongs

Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up

2001-05-18 Thread Eric S. Raymond
ng the other direction would be worse. "Like chewing razor blades" is the simile that leaps to mind. (And no, dropping back to CML1 format for the masters wouldn't be an option; it doesn't have the semantic strength to enable CML2's new capabilities.) -- http://www.tuxedo.org/

Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up

2001-05-18 Thread Eric S. Raymond
empowering people with free software we can't limit ourselves with the attitude that configuring kernels (or anything else) is the sacred preserve of a geek elite. -- http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond The price of liberty is, always has been, and always will be blood. The pe

Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up

2001-05-18 Thread Eric S. Raymond
at CML2 goes in in the 2.5.1-2.5.2 timeframe. That's the assumption I'm operating on. -- http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. -- Robert A. Heinlein, "

Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up

2001-05-18 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Arjan van de Ven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > In my opinion, no configuration that is actually physically possible > is perverse. Noted. And a very pithy statement of the position. Thanks. -- http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/;>Eric S. Raymond I do not find in orthodox C

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