On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Aaro Koskinen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Apr 08, 2015 at 07:37:15PM -0500, Rob Landley wrote:
>> Heck, the FSF's entire "It's GNU Linux, Dammit! Call it by its proper
>> name: GNU/Linux/dammit" campaign is seriously irritating, and part of
>> what I was doing with bu
Hi,
On Wed, Apr 08, 2015 at 07:37:15PM -0500, Rob Landley wrote:
> Heck, the FSF's entire "It's GNU Linux, Dammit! Call it by its proper
> name: GNU/Linux/dammit" campaign is seriously irritating, and part of
> what I was doing with busybox was trying to create a linux development
> system without
On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 2:37 AM, Rob Landley wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 8:12 AM, Denys Vlasenko
> wrote:
> But systemd has no clear goals, no specification, the single
> implementation is a moving target... it's basically a microsoft
> product.
I think the actual goal is to control everythi
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 8:12 AM, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Christopher Barry
> wrote:
>> So why would very smart people who love and use Linux want to create or
>> embrace such a creepy 'Master of All' daemon? Ostensibly, it's for the
>> reasons they say, as I mentio
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Christopher Barry
wrote:
> So why would very smart people who love and use Linux want to create or
> embrace such a creepy 'Master of All' daemon? Ostensibly, it's for the
> reasons they say, as I mentioned at the top. But partially I think it's
> from a lack of ex
Am 07.09.2014 01:44, schrieb Lennart Sorensen:
So why C++ then if you care about making the code easy to make safe when
there are clearly even better options. Why not OCAML or Erlang or one
of the other much more robust languages that don't contain all the
dangers of C?
I would choose Prolog.
On Sat, Sep 06, 2014 at 10:01:29PM +0200, Alexander Holler wrote:
> I've brought up the critics about using C in a critical and very
> security sensitive piece of software in userland, so I've decided a
> bit more explanations might make sense.
>
> First, as you don't seem to have noticed or you d
Am 05.09.2014 08:31, schrieb Alexander Holler:
Am 04.09.2014 21:18, schrieb Rob Landley:
What's actually wrong with C++ at a language design level.
Short version:
OMG.
It's better than C. In almost every aspect. Stop. Nothing else. Of
course, if you want to write something like systemd in P
Am 04.09.2014 21:18, schrieb Rob Landley:
What's actually wrong with C++ at a language design level.
Short version:
OMG.
It's better than C. In almost every aspect. Stop. Nothing else. Of
course, if you want to write something like systemd in Python, Perl,
Pascal, Modula or Erlang, feel free
On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Alexander Holler wrote:
>>> Hmm, a sane and maintainable solution would use C++ with which people
>>> don't
>>> have to manually build lists or hashes for every structure like in the
>>> kernel (generic programming done right). So you won't find much kernel
>>> deve
Am 04.09.2014 20:27, schrieb Rogelio Serrano:
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 7:15 PM, Alexander Holler wrote:
Am 13.08.2014 11:00, schrieb Borislav Petkov:
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 10:27:56AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
And the thing is; we're all very busy so we tend to take the 'easy'
way out fo
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 7:15 PM, Alexander Holler wrote:
> Am 13.08.2014 11:00, schrieb Borislav Petkov:
>
>> On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 10:27:56AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>>>
>>> And the thing is; we're all very busy so we tend to take the 'easy'
>>> way out for things like this; but wholesale
Am 04.09.2014 19:58, schrieb Austin S Hemmelgarn:
On 2014-09-04 13:29, Alexander Holler wrote:
Am 04.09.2014 16:36, schrieb Austin S Hemmelgarn:
On 2014-09-04 06:16, Alexander Holler wrote:
It's a myth that C++ ends up in bigger code than C. At least in my
experience. Especially when the late
On 2014-09-04 13:29, Alexander Holler wrote:
> Am 04.09.2014 16:36, schrieb Austin S Hemmelgarn:
>> On 2014-09-04 06:16, Alexander Holler wrote:
>>>
>>> It's a myth that C++ ends up in bigger code than C. At least in my
>>> experience. Especially when the latest additions to C++ are in effect
>>> (
Am 04.09.2014 16:36, schrieb Austin S Hemmelgarn:
On 2014-09-04 06:16, Alexander Holler wrote:
It's a myth that C++ ends up in bigger code than C. At least in my
experience. Especially when the latest additions to C++ are in effect
(like the move-semantics in C++11 I like quiet a lot and which
On 2014-09-04 06:16, Alexander Holler wrote:
>
> It's a myth that C++ ends up in bigger code than C. At least in my
> experience. Especially when the latest additions to C++ are in effect
> (like the move-semantics in C++11 I like quiet a lot and which you get
> almost for free (by changing nothin
Am 04.09.2014 09:54, schrieb Peter Zijlstra:
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 08:15:45PM +0200, Alexander Holler wrote:
Hmm, a sane and maintainable solution would use C++ with which people don't
have to manually build lists or hashes for every structure like in the
kernel (generic programming done righ
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 08:15:45PM +0200, Alexander Holler wrote:
>
> Hmm, a sane and maintainable solution would use C++ with which people don't
> have to manually build lists or hashes for every structure like in the
> kernel (generic programming done right). So you won't find much kernel
> deve
Am 13.08.2014 11:00, schrieb Borislav Petkov:
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 10:27:56AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
And the thing is; we're all very busy so we tend to take the 'easy'
way out for things like this; but wholesale switching all my machines
is indeed painful, and I'm not liking.
Right,
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 3:59 AM, Vlad Glagolev wrote:
> Now what do we see? Complete degradation of Linux-like ecosystem. I'm
Nah, lots of embedded guys value simplicity and a modular design where
you can swap actually out parts. Check out the musl-libc.org mailing
list for example. Those mailing
Hello,
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 1:08 AM, Christopher Barry
wrote:
>
>
> What is intelligence? Not exactly the spook kind, but rather what is
> the definition of intelligence in humans? This is pretty good:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence#Definitions
>
Do you want to see bigger picture
On Friday 15 August 2014, Vlad Glagolev wrote:
>This is a problem, which is silently ignored by those who HAS to defend
>OSS' freedom. But politics (related to stuff they get a lot of money
>from) of companies like RedHat isn't that white and fluffy for users,
>because THEY started this chaos of pe
This is a problem, which is silently ignored by those who HAS to defend
OSS' freedom. But politics (related to stuff they get a lot of money
from) of companies like RedHat isn't that white and fluffy for users,
because THEY started this chaos of perverting the UNIX philosophy.
I noticed that when t
On 12/08/14 01:38 PM, Christopher Barry wrote:
What is intelligence? Not exactly the spook kind, but rather what is
the definition of intelligence in humans? This is pretty good:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence#Definitions
By most accounts, the self-appointed and arguably too influen
Hello,
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 3:27 AM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 11:07:05PM +0100, Måns Rullgård wrote:
>> Steven Rostedt writes:
>>
>> > Nice rant, I sympathize with you (just complaining about this on G+).
>>
>> Made my day.
>>
>> > I'm just waiting for Linus to get piss
Am Mittwoch, 13. August 2014, 10:57:01 schrieb Måns Rullgård:
> Martin Steigerwald writes:
> > Am Mittwoch, 13. August 2014, 10:27:56 schrieb Peter Zijlstra:
> >> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 11:07:05PM +0100, Måns Rullgård wrote:
> >> > Steven Rostedt writes:
> >> > > Nice rant, I sympathize with you
Am Mittwoch, 13. August 2014, 11:52:13 schrieb Peter Zijlstra:
> On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 11:37:28AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > That all said: I believe that any feedback like this is best served on
> > systemd-devel mailing list – maybe in an attempt to express it in a
> > somewhat polite
Martin Steigerwald writes:
> Am Mittwoch, 13. August 2014, 10:27:56 schrieb Peter Zijlstra:
>> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 11:07:05PM +0100, Måns Rullgård wrote:
>> > Steven Rostedt writes:
>> > > Nice rant, I sympathize with you (just complaining about this on G+).
>> >
>> > Made my day.
>> >
>>
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 11:37:28AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
>
> Also I think:
>
> martin@merkaba:~> ls -l /sbin/init
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 40648 Aug 3 21:01 /sbin/init
> martin@merkaba:~> ls -l /bin/systemd
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Aug 6 13:41 /bin/systemd -> /lib/systemd/systemd
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 11:37:28AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> That all said: I believe that any feedback like this is best served on
> systemd-devel mailing list – maybe in an attempt to express it in a somewhat
> polite, yet also direct way. Instead of on LKML, debian-user, debian-devel
Am Mittwoch, 13. August 2014, 10:27:56 schrieb Peter Zijlstra:
> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 11:07:05PM +0100, Måns Rullgård wrote:
> > Steven Rostedt writes:
> > > Nice rant, I sympathize with you (just complaining about this on G+).
> >
> > Made my day.
> >
> > > I'm just waiting for Linus to get
Peter Zijlstra writes:
> On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 10:24:58AM +0100, Måns Rullgård wrote:
>> Beware, even Gentoo will pull in systemd, if in a dormant state, unless
>> you are very careful.
>
> Right so I've not tried yet (busy see), but I meant to remove all the
> *Kit and other nonsense from the
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 10:24:58AM +0100, Måns Rullgård wrote:
> Beware, even Gentoo will pull in systemd, if in a dormant state, unless
> you are very careful.
Right so I've not tried yet (busy see), but I meant to remove all the
*Kit and other nonsense from the USE flags.
I don't need GNOME so
Peter Zijlstra writes:
> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 11:07:05PM +0100, Måns Rullgård wrote:
>> Steven Rostedt writes:
>>
>> > Nice rant, I sympathize with you (just complaining about this on G+).
>>
>> Made my day.
>>
>> > I'm just waiting for Linus to get pissed enough to write his own init
>> >
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 10:27:56AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> And the thing is; we're all very busy so we tend to take the 'easy'
> way out for things like this; but wholesale switching all my machines
> is indeed painful, and I'm not liking.
Right, I think kernel people will gladly jump on a
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 11:07:05PM +0100, Måns Rullgård wrote:
> Steven Rostedt writes:
>
> > Nice rant, I sympathize with you (just complaining about this on G+).
>
> Made my day.
>
> > I'm just waiting for Linus to get pissed enough to write his own init
> > routine. Maybe he'll call it "Boot
Steven Rostedt writes:
> Nice rant, I sympathize with you (just complaining about this on G+).
Made my day.
> I'm just waiting for Linus to get pissed enough to write his own init
> routine. Maybe he'll call it "Boot Init Through Computer Hardware".
The trouble is that most of the heavy-weight
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 04:21:29PM -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:
>
> Nice rant, I sympathize with you (just complaining about this on G+).
+1.
Nicely written, Christopher.
> I'm just waiting for Linus to get pissed enough to write his own init
> routine. Maybe he'll call it "Boot Init Through Co
Nice rant, I sympathize with you (just complaining about this on G+).
I'm just waiting for Linus to get pissed enough to write his own init
routine. Maybe he'll call it "Boot Init Through Computer Hardware".
Of course he'll have to make that an acronym.
-- Steve
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What is intelligence? Not exactly the spook kind, but rather what is
the definition of intelligence in humans? This is pretty good:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence#Definitions
By most accounts, the self-appointed and arguably too influential
creators and thinkers of the day around the
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