Re: Tux2 - evil patents sighted

2000-10-05 Thread Daniel Phillips
Marty Fouts wrote: > Factoid: 90% of all patents are never challenged, while 80% of those that > are are overturned. In otherwords, 2% of patents are successfully defended, just enough to keep the serfs in line. >"Going into court is throwing the dice." If I am going to throw dice I'd much

Re: Tux2 - evil patents sighted

2000-10-05 Thread john slee
On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 05:02:36PM +0200, Daniel Phillips wrote: > Here's a gem of a claim from the main WAFL patent: > > "20. The method of claim 8 further comprising the step of using one or > more of said read-only copies of said file system to back-up said > blocks comprising one or m

Re: Tux2 - evil patents sighted

2000-10-04 Thread Daniel Phillips
Eirik Fuller wrote: > Is that really your email address? No, but my email address can easily be contructed putting together my last name and innominate.de. > I work at Network Appliance. I hate patents. I can't find anything in > your position on patents that I disagree with. I tried to be as

Re: Tux2 - evil patents sighted

2000-10-04 Thread Daniel Phillips
"Jeff V. Merkey" wrote: > > I've allocated $20,000 US for this, but i doubt you will use all of it. > Linux IP issues affect all of us since we ship Linux, so I am happy to > pick up the tab. Tux is hot stuff, and we plan to use it, along with > all the other great Linux stuff. Consider it our

Re: Tux2 - evil patents sighted

2000-10-03 Thread Jeff V. Merkey
I've allocated $20,000 US for this, but i doubt you will use all of it. Linux IP issues affect all of us since we ship Linux, so I am happy to pick up the tab. Tux is hot stuff, and we plan to use it, along with all the other great Linux stuff. Consider it our part to help Linux. The structur

Re: Tux2 - evil patents sighted

2000-10-03 Thread Jeff V. Merkey
Daniel, Andrew is the candidate for Attorney General for the State of Utah, and informs he has has television and radio interviews all day tommorrow, but promised he would get on it late tommorrow afternoon and get back to you. :-) Jeff Daniel Phillips wrote: > > "Jeff V. Merkey" wrote: > >

Re: Tux2 - evil patents sighted

2000-10-03 Thread Daniel Phillips
Daniel Phillips wrote: > Can I ask a stupid question: Who's paying for this? Err, like I said it was stupid. A better question is "why"? OK, you don't have to answer. It's 4:20 am here, I should have been asleep long ago, till tomorrow. -- Daniel "patents never sleep" - To unsubscribe from th

Re: Tux2 - evil patents sighted

2000-10-03 Thread Daniel Phillips
"Jeff V. Merkey" wrote: > I've forwarded everything to Andrew ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). He will > contact Malinkrodt and assign a patent attorney to work with you on > this. Andy's direct line is 801-222-9635. Since the Linux Community is > basically a "client" now, your communications with him will

Re: Tux2 - evil patents sighted

2000-10-03 Thread Jeff V. Merkey
Daniel, Sorry, this was directed to you about the phone number (Thomas can call as well if he has info). :-) Jeff "Jeff V. Merkey" wrote: > > I've forwarded everything to Andrew ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). He will > contact Malinkrodt and assign a patent attorney to work with you on > this. An

Re: Tux2 - evil patents sighted

2000-10-03 Thread Jeff V. Merkey
I've forwarded everything to Andrew ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). He will contact Malinkrodt and assign a patent attorney to work with you on this. Andy's direct line is 801-222-9635. Since the Linux Community is basically a "client" now, your communications with him will be priviledged. After the ana

Re: Tux2 - evil patents sighted

2000-10-03 Thread Thomas Davis
Daniel Phillips wrote: > > "Jeff V. Merkey" wrote: > > I am having Andrew McCullough review these patents to determine if there > > are any infringement issues that may affect us. Whomever is concerned > > her, if it would not be too much trouble, please forward what > > documentation and patent

Re: Tux2 - evil patents sighted

2000-10-03 Thread Daniel Phillips
"Jeff V. Merkey" wrote: > I am having Andrew McCullough review these patents to determine if there > are any infringement issues that may affect us. Whomever is concerned > her, if it would not be too much trouble, please forward what > documentation and patent no.'s to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and copy

Re: Tux2 - evil patents sighted

2000-10-03 Thread Jeff V. Merkey
I am having Andrew McCullough review these patents to determine if there are any infringement issues that may affect us. Whomever is concerned her, if it would not be too much trouble, please forward what documentation and patent no.'s to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and copy me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and we

Re: Tux2 - evil patents sighted

2000-10-03 Thread Daniel Phillips
"J. Dow" wrote: > > From: "Daniel Phillips" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Yes, I know the game, Unisys played it with gif. Wait until it's in > > widespread use then appear out of the woodwork and demand licence fees. > > It's called submarining. It's evil. People and corporations who do it > > a

Re: Tux2 - evil patents sighted

2000-10-03 Thread J. Dow
From: "Daniel Phillips" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Yes, I know the game, Unisys played it with gif. Wait until it's in > widespread use then appear out of the woodwork and demand licence fees. > It's called submarining. It's evil. People and corporations who do it > are little better than thugs.

Re: Tux2 - evil patents sighted

2000-10-03 Thread Daniel Phillips
Chris Good wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Daniel Phillips wrote: > >Thomas Graichen forwarded me some interesting information from the > >freebsd-fsdevel list regarding 3 patents held by Network Appliance > > A couple of points: > First their patents are very much tied into their im

Re: Tux2 - evil patents sighted

2000-10-03 Thread Matti Aarnio
On Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 09:42:04AM -0700, Thomas Davis wrote: > Ion Badulescu wrote: ... > > For another fine example of GPL technology covered by a parent, check out: > > > > http://www.patents.ibm.com/details?pn=US06049528__ > > > > This a patent filed by Sun in June 1997 and awarded in April

Re: Tux2 - evil patents sighted

2000-10-03 Thread Rik van Riel
On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Thomas Davis wrote: > > For another fine example of GPL technology covered by a parent, check out: > > > > http://www.patents.ibm.com/details?pn=US06049528__ > > > > This a patent filed by Sun in June 1997 and awarded in April 2000 which > > covers very well the ethernet bon

Re: Tux2 - evil patents sighted

2000-10-03 Thread Thomas Davis
Ion Badulescu wrote: > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Daniel Phillips wrote: > > > It is important that all technology used in GPL software be free of > > patent restrictions. > > Indeed. > > For another fine example of GPL technology covered by a parent, check out: > > http://www.patents.i

Re: Tux2 - evil patents sighted

2000-10-03 Thread Ion Badulescu
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Daniel Phillips wrote: > It is important that all technology used in GPL software be free of > patent restrictions. Indeed. For another fine example of GPL technology covered by a parent, check out: http://www.patents.ibm.com/details?pn=US06049528__ This a pat

Re: Tux2 - evil patents sighted

2000-10-03 Thread Chris Good
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Daniel Phillips wrote: >Thomas Graichen forwarded me some interesting information from the >freebsd-fsdevel list regarding 3 patents held by Network Appliance A couple of points: First their patents are very much tied into their implementation of WAFL, your imp

RE: Tux2 - evil patents sighted

2000-10-02 Thread Marty Fouts
IANAL That said, I would refer anyone interested in 'prior art' in patents to http://www.ipmall.fplc.edu/ipcorner/bp98/welch.htm especially the brief discussion on what 'prior art' is to the patent office. Also, for those who believe that similar concepts will void patents, I would suggest a sear

Re: Tux2 - evil patents sighted

2000-10-02 Thread Daniel Phillips
Alan Cox wrote: > Its also very unlikely Network Appliance would both responding to you. Its > not in their legal interest to admit lack of validity. Yes, I know the game, Unisys played it with gif. Wait until it's in widespread use then appear out of the woodwork and demand licence fees. It's

Re: Tux2 - evil patents sighted

2000-10-02 Thread Alan Cox
> patent restrictions. Unfortunately for Network Appliances, I developed > all the essential concepts they describe in 1989 (the RAID optimization > excepted, see below for what I think about that) and implemented them in > a production system. In other words, I've got prior art; their patents >

Tux2 - evil patents sighted

2000-10-02 Thread Daniel Phillips
Thomas Graichen forwarded me some interesting information from the freebsd-fsdevel list regarding 3 patents held by Network Appliance, Inc., Santa Clara, CA that seem to describe much of the mechanism that underlies Tux2. I haven't heard anything from any representative of Network Appliance, whic