Re: Benefits/Drawbacks of C (was Re: something I ...)

2004-03-11 Thread Steve Holdoway
On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 19:50:41 +1300, you wrote: >Andrew Errington wrote: >> On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 19:15, you wrote: >> >>>Zane Gilmore wrote: >>> On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 18:58, Steve Holdoway wrote: >> >> >> >>>5 lines gets my vote. I have been working on some 400 line functions >>>recentl

Re: Benefits/Drawbacks of C (was Re: something I ...)

2004-03-11 Thread anton
Andrew Errington wrote: On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 19:15, you wrote: Zane Gilmore wrote: On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 18:58, Steve Holdoway wrote: 5 lines gets my vote. I have been working on some 400 line functions recently (no comments either...) and I just ended up abusing the people around me in the off

Re: Benefits/Drawbacks of C (was Re: something I ...)

2004-03-11 Thread Andrew Errington
On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 19:15, you wrote: > Zane Gilmore wrote: > > On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 18:58, Steve Holdoway wrote: > > > 5 lines gets my vote. I have been working on some 400 line functions > recently (no comments either...) and I just ended up abusing the people > around me in the office > A

Re: Mandrake 10 Community ISO

2004-03-11 Thread Philip Charles
On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, Chris Wilkinson wrote: > Hi there, > > Paul Swafford wrote: > > Update: > > YES now its available generally - I have it available for people. > > > > Advice for newbies - probably best to stick with 9.2 for now :) > > Read that as you may be enetering a world of pain. > > Eck!

Re: Benefits/Drawbacks of C (was Re: something I ...)

2004-03-11 Thread anton
Zane Gilmore wrote: On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 18:58, Steve Holdoway wrote: Five lines is extreme, yes. But you've obviously not tried this method of programming. If you do a top down design, and then a bottom up implementation, these functions become the building blocks of the higher level code. Not o

Re: Benefits/Drawbacks of C (was Re: something I ...)

2004-03-11 Thread anton
hi, Got to say Patrick, I have been coding in Delphi now for about 5 mths and have to say a resounding: IT SUCKS. The begin/end thing is annoying, but far more annoying is that it doesn't have to have it! That's right folks, if it is just one statement (intCount := intCount + 1;) then it can hav

Re: Mandrake 10 Community ISO

2004-03-11 Thread Robert Fisher
Chris, if the 9.2 version is the one you got from me, I think that there may be several problems with that early version which I downloaded on day one of its launch. Rob On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 18:04, Chris Wilkinson wrote: > Hi there, > > Paul Swafford wrote: > > Update: > > YES now its available

Re: Adding linux.bin to C:\BOOT.INI

2004-03-11 Thread Brendan Greer
What about setting the mother board(that is if your motherboard will allow you to boot off a second hard drive) to boot off the second hard disk drive. Then install linux on it and then it would install lilo/grub on that hard drive thus you make no changes to the XP drive at all.. Brendan I'm

Re: RedHat Space

2004-03-11 Thread Robert Fisher
From memory (I do not use RH any more) the "everything" installation is about 3.2Gb On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 17:28, Slosh wrote: > Just a quick question. Does anyone know offhand how much space a full > install of RedHat 9.0 takes? It's less than 4 gigs, aye?... > > --Slosh -- Robert Fisher www.fish

Re: Benefits/Drawbacks of C (was Re: something I ...)

2004-03-11 Thread anton
Patrick Dunford wrote: Zane Gilmore wrote: Patrick Dunford wrote: Capitalisation *does* matter in English (or any human language that uses the Roman alphabet) But changing the capitalisation does not change the meaning of the word. At the risk of a "yes it does, no it doesn't" argument, my p

Re: Mandrake 10 Community ISO

2004-03-11 Thread Chad
Chris Wilkinson wrote: > Hi there, > > Paul Swafford wrote: > > Update: > > YES now its available generally - I have it available for people. > > > > Advice for newbies - probably best to stick with 9.2 for now :) > > Read that as you may be enetering a world of pain. > > Eck!! I currently have no

Re: Mandrake 10 Community ISO

2004-03-11 Thread Chris Wilkinson
Hi there, Nick Rout wrote: On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 18:04:56 +1300 Chris Wilkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi there, Paul Swafford wrote: Update: YES now its available generally - I have it available for people. Advice for newbies - probably best to stick with 9.2 for now :) Read that as you may

Re: Mandrake 10 Community ISO

2004-03-11 Thread Nick Rout
On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 18:04:56 +1300 Chris Wilkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi there, > > Paul Swafford wrote: > > Update: > > YES now its available generally - I have it available for people. > > > > Advice for newbies - probably best to stick with 9.2 for now :) > > Read that as you may b

Re: Mandrake 10 Community ISO

2004-03-11 Thread Chris Wilkinson
Hi there, Paul Swafford wrote: Update: YES now its available generally - I have it available for people. Advice for newbies - probably best to stick with 9.2 for now :) Read that as you may be enetering a world of pain. Eck!! I currently have no USB, dodgy sound i/o, and a few other wee issues sin

Re: Lexmark X215 MFP

2004-03-11 Thread Jason Greenwood
Thanks Nick, that is just about the conclusion I had come to. =) In fact, with a flatbed scanner there is almost no point in faxing nowadays anyway since I can just attach the scan to an email. Save on overseas faxing costs too! We'll get a cheap BnW Laser and Scanner and stuff the rest I guess

Re: Lexmark X215 MFP

2004-03-11 Thread Jason Greenwood
AFAIK, MFP = MFP...rinter. =) Paul Wilkins wrote: Nick Rout wrote: (By the way, MFPeripheral MFD...evice MFC? I had to look that up too. www.brother.com Search for mfc and go to one of the products Find out on the section title that it's Multi-Function Centre

RedHat Space

2004-03-11 Thread Slosh
Just a quick question. Does anyone know offhand how much space a full install of RedHat 9.0 takes? It's less than 4 gigs, aye?... --Slosh

Re: Lexmark X215 MFP

2004-03-11 Thread Paul Wilkins
Nick Rout wrote: (By the way, MFPeripheral MFD...evice MFC? I had to look that up too. www.brother.com Search for mfc and go to one of the products Find out on the section title that it's Multi-Function Centre -- Paul Wilkins

Re: Lexmark X215 MFP

2004-03-11 Thread Nick Rout
This conversation is becoming a little pointless. The initial point of the thread was whether a particular MFP had linux drivers. It seems to have degenerated to a discussion of printers in general, and the failings (or otherwise) of HP printers. The fact is, from this list's purpose and perspe

Re: Lexmark X215 MFP

2004-03-11 Thread Paul Wilkins
Jamie Dobbs wrote: So it's old, so what? it only highlighted the flaws that were already present in most Deskjets from day 1: 1. 180 degree paper path Not sure what you mean here? I presume that what's meant by that is that the paper goes down, around he bottom and back up again. It mea

Re: [nzlug] Adding linux.bin to C:\BOOT.INI

2004-03-11 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:05, Yuri de Groot wrote: > Nick: > > whats wrong with: > > > > 1. booting from the cd to install the os on hdb > > 2. grub or lilo for booting from then on. > > Because then grub or lilo would need to reside on the mbr of > the primary master, which XP might not like. My brot

Re: Networking

2004-03-11 Thread Michael JasonSmith
On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 10:12, Matthew Gregan wrote: > There are also sources quoting another prominent NT architect that > claim the name 'NT' came from the codename of the CPU the OS was > developed on--the N10 (released in 1989 as the Intel i860). The i860 has a facinating story all of its own

RE: Lexmark X215 MFP

2004-03-11 Thread Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)
I have to agree with all of Jamie's points. We sell Xerox here at work but I use an HP1220c at home (on Linux) Rob -Original Message- From: Jamie Dobbs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 12 March 2004 11:34 a.m. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Lexmark X215 MFP

Re: Lexmark X215 MFP

2004-03-11 Thread Jamie Dobbs
> So it's old, so what? it only highlighted the flaws that were already > present in most Deskjets from day 1: > > 1. 180 degree paper path Not sure what you mean here? > 2. No manual feed - there is a little slot that might just feed the > sheet through if you manage to line it up straight

RE: Adding linux.bin to C:\BOOT.INI

2004-03-11 Thread Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)
Use Google to find several howtos on dual booting using NTLDR (the Windows NT/2000/XP boot loader) I have tried and it works fine. Regards, Robert Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windscreen. -Original Message- From: Yuri de Groot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Th

Re: Lexmark X215 MFP

2004-03-11 Thread Dale Anderson
Not mention most inkjets <~$300 are going to be a pos regardless of manufacturer , Hp have bloody good Linux drivers and are helping with the OSS development re them . I was lucky enough to get hold of a HP 5550 at the start of last year .I have just run out of black ink (IE the cartridge that

RE: Lexmark X215 MFP

2004-03-11 Thread Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)
There is a large market for it! (I got my bonus last quarter) Your problem, as far as I can see, is not that machines are not available but that they might not be affordable for you. Contact me off-list for a price for a multifunctional machine which I can guarantee will print from Linux with cup

Re: Lexmark X215 MFP

2004-03-11 Thread Patrick Dunford
Craig Falconer wrote: Dude - the deskjet 400 is over 10 years old and was a dog from the day it was released. I remember a car rental company who used a single DJ400 as the office printer, and went through up to three cartridges of ink a day. So it's old, so what? it only highlighted the flaws

Re: MEPIS upgrade

2004-03-11 Thread Dave
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 16:58, Andrew Errington wrote: > Hi, > > Anyone install MEPIS and do an apt-get update and upgrade? My desktop is > all munged, and the panel has gone blank. I can put it all back, but it's > annoying. It may be due to me accepting some rc files as part of the > upgrade and n

Re: Lexmark X215 MFP

2004-03-11 Thread Patrick Dunford
Nick Rout wrote: On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 21:58, Patrick Dunford wrote: Jason Greenwood wrote: Thanks for the input! It's going to be a mission to find an affordable, Linux Compatible, Laser based MFP, I can see that now. Bummer. I'd think there was a large market for it. I have never understoo

Re: Is Linux really that secure?

2004-03-11 Thread Matthew Gregan
On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 11:56:00AM +0100, Hugh McColl wrote: > What processors are you including here? I'm interested to know how > would you prevent stack-buffer overrun exploits at the O/S level on an > x86 architecture, if you believe this is practical? Are you assuming > compiler support?? Ta

Re: Floppy and Wine problems

2004-03-11 Thread Rik Tindall
Rowan, On my Mdk 8.2 partition, KDE 2.2.2, automount allows accessing a floppy disk by clicking on the desktop icon for it, once the disk has been inserted into the drive. When disk mounting is successful, the disk icon has a green triangle added in the lower right corner. However, to remove t

Re: Networking

2004-03-11 Thread Matthew Gregan
On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 07:16:48AM +1300, Steve Holdoway wrote: > Hadn't you noticed, using the next letters on from VMS gives... WNT > Yes, it was intentional! It depends who, if anyone, you believe. There are sources that claim Dave Cutler came up with WNT as a pun on VMS. There are also sourc

RE: Adding linux.bin to C:\BOOT.INI

2004-03-11 Thread David Taylor
Windows XP is very possessive about its boot loader, and when SP2 comes out, it MAY cause problems. I suggest that you rethink this Lilo or Grub method and just use the BIOS to select the boot device; most modern motherboards have a menu that can be set to pop up for a few seconds. Using the BIOS

RE: RE: Adding linux.bin to C:\BOOT.INI

2004-03-11 Thread Lance Blackler
Well you,ve got me scratching my head now - it was most likely the former. I had XP, 98 and Knoppix booting from the NT boot loader at the time, and they were most likley all on the same drive. I have had a second drive in the machine with linux on it at times - but I would have been using lil

Re: Mandrake 10 Community ISO

2004-03-11 Thread Yuri de Groot
9.2 in stock now? Flying to Wellington tonight. - Original Message Follows - > Update: > YES now its available generally - I have it available for > people. > > Advice for newbies - probably best to stick with 9.2 for > now :) Read that as you may be enetering a world of pain. > > As fo

Re: Mandrake 10 Community ISO

2004-03-11 Thread Paul Swafford
Update: YES now its available generally - I have it available for people. Advice for newbies - probably best to stick with 9.2 for now :) Read that as you may be enetering a world of pain. As for more experienced users - come and get it. I'll cut a few spare sets for sale over the weekend. Regar

Re: [nzlug] Adding linux.bin to C:\BOOT.INI

2004-03-11 Thread Yuri de Groot
Nick: > whats wrong with: > > 1. booting from the cd to install the os on hdb > 2. grub or lilo for booting from then on. Because then grub or lilo would need to reside on the mbr of the primary master, which XP might not like. My brother and I are wary of messing with the XP disk at all. From pa

Re: Networking

2004-03-11 Thread Jim Cheetham
On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 23:56, Matthew Gregan wrote: > On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 11:10:28PM +1300, Yuri de Groot wrote: > > It wouldn't surprise me at all. I've read somewhere that many of the NT team > > at Microsoft came from the VMS team at Digital. > I'm not sure about "many", but it's certainly a

RE: Lexmark X215 MFP

2004-03-11 Thread Craig Falconer
Dude - the deskjet 400 is over 10 years old and was a dog from the day it was released. I remember a car rental company who used a single DJ400 as the office printer, and went through up to three cartridges of ink a day. -Original Message- From: Patrick Dunford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Adding linux.bin to C:\BOOT.INI

2004-03-11 Thread Yuri de Groot
Lance: > I have done this Yuri and it worked just fine. It is not > difficult and there is a howto for it somewhere (I am > guessing you have seen it since you appear to be quoting > part of it). There are several How-Tos I'm looking at. Some say that you have to have the /boot partition and the

OT - debugging utility (was RE: Is Linux really that secure?)

2004-03-11 Thread Brad Beveridge
Christopher's post about x86 hardware memory protection (in the "Is Linux really that secure?" thread) reminded me of something that C programmers may find useful for tracking memory faults. The first is electric fence (http://perens.com/FreeSoftware/), which places the end of each array at the en

RE: Adding linux.bin to C:\BOOT.INI

2004-03-11 Thread Lance Blackler
I have done this Yuri and it worked just fine. It is not difficult and there is a howto for it somewhere (I am guessing you have seen it since you appear to be quoting part of it). Lance B -Original Message- From: Yuri de Groot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 22:51:17 +1300

Re: [nzlug] Adding linux.bin to C:\BOOT.INI

2004-03-11 Thread Nick Rout
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 22:51, Yuri de Groot wrote: > I'm flying to Wellington tomorrow to set up linux for my big brother. > He's got XP on hda and has bought a second hd just for linux. > > (Paul, I'll be dropping into e-caf tomorrow to buy distro-of-the-month). > > The plan is to install linux on hd

Mandrake 10 Community ISO

2004-03-11 Thread Nathan Cook
Morning all, has anyone managed to download this (3 Discs), and if so can I get a copy of it? Cheers Nathan

Re: Networking

2004-03-11 Thread Steve Holdoway
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 23:56:09 +1300, you wrote: >On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 11:10:28PM +1300, Yuri de Groot wrote: > >> It wouldn't surprise me at all. I've read somewhere that many of the NT team >> at Microsoft came from the VMS team at Digital. > >I'm not sure about "many", but it's certainly a we

Re: Is Linux really that secure?

2004-03-11 Thread Hugh McColl
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 10:02, Matthew Gregan wrote: > > Neither your ubiquitous *86* machines nor, to my knowledge, any other > > computer chipset found in the current crop of personal machines is > > able to produce a hardware segfault on array bound errors or, stack > > protection errors, i.e. unde

Re: Networking

2004-03-11 Thread Matthew Gregan
On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 11:10:28PM +1300, Yuri de Groot wrote: > It wouldn't surprise me at all. I've read somewhere that many of the NT team > at Microsoft came from the VMS team at Digital. I'm not sure about "many", but it's certainly a well-known fact that Dave Cutler (ex Digital, one of the

Re: Is Linux really that secure?

2004-03-11 Thread Hugh McColl
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 10:15, Matthew Gregan wrote: > On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 09:31:51AM +0100, Hugh McColl wrote: > > There are lots of software solutions. Even Microsoft's Visual C > compiler has an option that places a canary on the stack to detect the > function's return address has been overwrit

Re: Networking

2004-03-11 Thread Yuri de Groot
On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 14:56, you wrote: > On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 02:47:09PM +1300, Zane Gilmore wrote: > > Actually SMB is not a Microsoft networking protocol but it was first > > developed by Digital. Of course M$ has made it it's own to a certain > > extent but if you want to connect a Linux box t

Re: USB problem. How to analyse?

2004-03-11 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 21:44, Chris Wilkinson wrote: > Hi there, > > Nick Rout wrote: > > there are commandline scanning programs. > > > > not quitte as easy to use because of the lack off a preview window, but > > ultimately you can do > > > > scanimage --mode Color --resolution 300 --contrast 75 -l

Adding linux.bin to C:\BOOT.INI

2004-03-11 Thread Yuri de Groot
I'm flying to Wellington tomorrow to set up linux for my big brother. He's got XP on hda and has bought a second hd just for linux. (Paul, I'll be dropping into e-caf tomorrow to buy distro-of-the-month). The plan is to install linux on hdb, then do: dd if=/dev/hdb of=/mnt/floppy/linux.bin bs=512

Re: Lexmark X215 MFP

2004-03-11 Thread Jason Greenwood
Thanks for the links Nick...see down below: Nick Rout wrote: not to mention this on the same site: "Multifunction Multifunctions are generally a combination of scanner and printer, sometimes with a fax modem; they work as a copier, printer, fax machine, and scanner. For a working multifunctio

Re: Lexmark X215 MFP

2004-03-11 Thread Jason Greenwood
Fair enough but most people I know do almost no colour work, it's all BnW! That's what I want mine for, BnW. Cheers Jason Patrick Dunford wrote: Jason Greenwood wrote: Thanks for the input! It's going to be a mission to find an affordable, Linux Compatible, Laser based MFP, I can see that now

Re: Lexmark X215 MFP

2004-03-11 Thread Nick Rout
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 22:39, Nick Rout wrote: > On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 21:58, Patrick Dunford wrote: > > Jason Greenwood wrote: > > > Thanks for the input! It's going to be a mission to find an > > > affordable, Linux Compatible, Laser based MFP, I can see that now. > > > Bummer. I'd think there was a l

Re: Lexmark X215 MFP

2004-03-11 Thread Nick Rout
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 21:58, Patrick Dunford wrote: > Jason Greenwood wrote: > > Thanks for the input! It's going to be a mission to find an > > affordable, Linux Compatible, Laser based MFP, I can see that now. > > Bummer. I'd think there was a large market for it. > > > > I have never understood wh

Re: Little questions

2004-03-11 Thread Nick Rout
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 21:47, Paul Wilkins wrote: > Andy George wrote: > >EJECT = Open, got that...  Whats close? > >   > > Load. or eject -t

Re: USB problem. How to analyse?

2004-03-11 Thread Nick Rout
exactly what usb modules are loaded? sounds like you do not have the usb device filesystem mounted what is the output of mount? it should include this line: none on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) if it doesn't, add this to /etc/fstab none/proc/bus/usb usbdevfsde

Re: Is Linux really that secure?

2004-03-11 Thread Matthew Gregan
On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 09:31:51AM +0100, Hugh McColl wrote: > There are software solutions to this in the linux world, such as the > StackGuard or 'stack smashing protector' extensions to gcc e.g. > http://www.trl.ibm.com/projects/security/ssp/ There are lots of software solutions. Even Micr

Re: Is Linux really that secure?

2004-03-11 Thread Matthew Gregan
On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 05:04:59PM +1300, Christopher Sawtell wrote: > No software running on a current small computer is ever secure, > because while they have the compute power many times that of the > mainframe of yore, they do not have the security features which every > big-iron machine had as

Re: Is Linux really that secure?

2004-03-11 Thread Hugh McColl
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 05:04, Christopher Sawtell wrote: > while they have the compute power many times that of the mainframe of yore, > they do not have the security features which every big-iron machine had as > a matter of course. > > Neither your ubiquitous *86* machines nor, to my knowledge, any

Re: Lexmark X215 MFP

2004-03-11 Thread Patrick Dunford
Jason Greenwood wrote: Thanks for the input! It's going to be a mission to find an affordable, Linux Compatible, Laser based MFP, I can see that now. Bummer. I'd think there was a large market for it. Have a look at this site, I don't know how useful it is http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/

Re: Lexmark X215 MFP

2004-03-11 Thread Patrick Dunford
Jason Greenwood wrote: Thanks for the input! It's going to be a mission to find an affordable, Linux Compatible, Laser based MFP, I can see that now. Bummer. I'd think there was a large market for it. I have never understood why Kiwi's are so enamored with Inkjets! The bloody cartridges are mo

Re: Benefits/Drawbacks of C (was Re: something I ...)

2004-03-11 Thread Zane Gilmore
On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 18:58, Steve Holdoway wrote: > Five lines is extreme, yes. But you've obviously not tried this method > of programming. If you do a top down design, and then a bottom up > implementation, these functions become the building blocks of the > higher level code. Not only that, yo

Re: Little questions

2004-03-11 Thread Paul Wilkins
Andy George wrote: EJECT = Open, got that... Whats close? Load. -- Paul Wilkins

Re: Lexmark X215 MFP

2004-03-11 Thread Patrick Dunford
Jason Greenwood wrote: Thanks for the input! It's going to be a mission to find an affordable, Linux Compatible, Laser based MFP, I can see that now. Bummer. I'd think there was a large market for it. I have never understood why Kiwi's are so enamored with Inkjets! The bloody cartridges are mo

Re: USB problem. How to analyse?

2004-03-11 Thread Chris Wilkinson
Hi there, Nick Rout wrote: there are commandline scanning programs. not quitte as easy to use because of the lack off a preview window, but ultimately you can do scanimage --mode Color --resolution 300 --contrast 75 -l 0 -t 0 -x 120 -y 200 That will be a last resort! :-) Not because of CLI-pho

Re: Is Linux really that secure?

2004-03-11 Thread Hugh McColl
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 06:08, Rex Johnston wrote: > On Thu, 2004-03-11 at 17:04, Christopher Sawtell wrote: > > Neither your ubiquitous *86* machines nor, to my knowledge, any other > > computer chipset found in the current crop of personal machines is able > > to produce a hardware segfault on array

Re: Lexmark X215 MFP

2004-03-11 Thread Jason Greenwood
Thanks for the input! It's going to be a mission to find an affordable, Linux Compatible, Laser based MFP, I can see that now. Bummer. I'd think there was a large market for it. I have never understood why Kiwi's are so enamored with Inkjets! The bloody cartridges are more than the printers!! I

Re: Lexmark X215 MFP

2004-03-11 Thread Barry
I bought a Lexmark Z32 inkjet some time ago - no more Lexmark for me. Their available driver I downloaded did not work, and no source code or updates for later kernels. The cups driver is far from satisfactory - vertical alignment is often out of line on subsequent passes and vertical lines are a