Carl Cerecke wrote:
Well, code compiled to native x86 on Linux is an ELF (try "file /bin/ls")
Some other systems have DWARF objects instead.
Yet other systems COFF instead.
Since GCC 3.1, Linux programs are both ELF and DWARF objects. I get a
very strange mental image trying to picture this, a
> Maybe because those "geek-fascists" (aka "real programmers") are the people
> who wrote the system, and wrote the tools. Tools that _they_ would want to
> use. Which is sensible (from their point of view), no?
>
> If these others (the "real people" you speak of) who like flashy gui tools
> reall
On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 02:21, anton wrote:
> Hey,
> I might not agree with Don on everything but here I've got to put in a
> word. I am sick of that "real programmer" BS. It is just an excuse for
> people who have nothing else in their lives. Sure, I want to be able to
> programme only using vi and gc
; From: Williams, Olwen - SAL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 2:14 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: Gnomemeeting to go to QT --> QT Demo...
> >
> >
> > I don't consider myself to be a real programmer -- I started
>
about whinding feric bed memmory! :)
Cheers Don
> -Original Message-
> From: Williams, Olwen - SAL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 2:14 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Gnomemeeting to go to QT --> QT Demo...
>
>
> I don'
On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 13:57, Don Gould wrote:
> I'm a 'basic' programmer. I personally have trouble with lanugage
> syntax. I find 'basic' (be it visual, Q, or what ever) very easy to
> get my head around and be very productive with.
Python. You should use Python. Ok, everyone should use Python
-Original Message-
> > From: Williams, Olwen - SAL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 10:45 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: Gnomemeeting to go to QT --> QT Demo...
> >
> >
> > I think there's still a
ent: Friday, April 02, 2004 1:47 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Gnomemeeting to go to QT --> QT Demo...
Olwen,
You may consider your self a real programmer because you use a product
that's older than half of the programmers out there writting web pages
today... I'm not going
> From: Michael JasonSmith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks for all that info Michael, it will take me a while to digest it all...
> But this is not your point. You want a shiny GUI, with buttons, and
> colours ;)
Actually that was not my point at all
What I wanted was a demo of some to
design.
Anyway, I think I should leave the rest of this debate for a beer down at a
local pub some time.
Cheers Don
> -Original Message-
> From: Williams, Olwen - SAL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 10:45 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE
Rex Johnston wrote:
Michael JasonSmith wrote:
Personally, i use vim.
Personally, I think all vi users are sick and twisted :P (I know enough
The latest GNOME Text Editor does do syntax highlighting, but it will
Trolls, GNOMEs, what next?
Well, code compiled to native x86 on Linux is an ELF
Michael JasonSmith wrote:
The Amulet of Yendor.
xyzzy
Rex
On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 12:24, Rex Johnston wrote:
> Trolls, GNOMEs, what next?
>
The Amulet of Yendor.
--
Michael JasonSmith http://www.ldots.org/
Michael JasonSmith wrote:
Personally, i use vim.
Personally, I think all vi users are sick and twisted :P (I know enough
The latest GNOME Text Editor does do syntax highlighting, but it will
Trolls, GNOMEs, what next?
Rex
On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 11:40, Rex Johnston wrote:
> > I've spent years programming in VB, FoxPro, SQL(variants a many),
> VBA, ASP,
> You have my sympathies.
Heh.
> > I've yet to actually see a fully interactive GUI based development
> > and debugging enviornment such as you get with VB, ASP (Visu
Don Gould wrote:
Are there many programmers on this list?
I've spent years programming in VB, FoxPro, SQL(variants a many), VBA, ASP,
... you get the GUI idea...
So far I've been very diselusioned by everything I've seen in the Linux
programming world.
I've yet to actually see a fully interactive
I think there's still a spirit of what "real programmers" may or may not do,
and one thing is for sure "real programmers" don't use GUI IDEs
But then who am I to speak -- creating webpages in PICK BASIC as I write,
(or should be).
The 1982 version here is different to the one I saw in the 70's
h
On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 08:57, Don Gould wrote:
> I've yet to actually see a fully interactive GUI based development and
> debugging enviornment such as you get with VB, ASP (Visual Interdev) and the
> rest of the Microsoft tools.
You're probably right. In the OSS world, if it hasn't been written,
e
PHP at present).
Cheers Don
> -Original Message-
> From: Brad Beveridge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 9:45 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Gnomemeeting to go to QT --> QT Demo...
>
>
> Python is about the only scripting l
s the most advanced looking GUI editor I can see for
python. http://boa-constructor.sourceforge.net/
Brad
> -Original Message-
> From: Don Gould [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 9:38 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Gnomemeeting to go to QT -->
Hi Brad,
Thanks for your response...
I'm not a c programmer. I gave up on c about 15 years ago in favour of
something that would just get the screen to do what I wanted it to with less
programming time... hence why script based VB was such a winner IMHO.
> From: Brad Beveridge [mailto:[EMAIL PR
I'd suggest
learning Python (the learning curve is very shallow) and check out this
page http://www.metaslash.com/brochure/tutorial/
Hope that helps
Brad
> -Original Message-
> From: Don Gould [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 8:58 AM
> To: [EMAIL
Are there many programmers on this list?
I've spent years programming in VB, FoxPro, SQL(variants a many), VBA, ASP,
... you get the GUI idea...
So far I've been very diselusioned by everything I've seen in the Linux
programming world.
I've yet to actually see a fully interactive GUI based devel
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