Re: Fwd: Re: There Will be a CLUG - (was "There is no CLUG")

2003-01-31 Thread David A. Mann
Col wrote: > That would make it easy! I tried > > echo $4 > > but it displayed nothing (redhat 8) The script needs to be executable, and the first line needs to contain a path to the interpreter. Also I am not sure what it does with standard output so it may be a good idea to redirect that t

Re: Fwd: Re: There Will be a CLUG - (was "There is no CLUG")

2003-01-31 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 15:14, Col wrote: > Christopher Sawtell wrote: > > On Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:01, Col wrote: > >>Is there an easier/better way for a user to obtain ppp0 ip address than > >> > >>IP=$(netstat -rn | grep UH | cut -d" " -f1 | head -n 1) > > > > Quoting the pppd man page > > > > /etc/pp

Re: Fwd: Re: There Will be a CLUG - (was "There is no CLUG")

2003-01-31 Thread Col
Christopher Sawtell wrote: On Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:01, Col wrote: Is there an easier/better way for a user to obtain ppp0 ip address than IP=$(netstat -rn | grep UH | cut -d" " -f1 | head -n 1) Quoting the pppd man page /etc/ppp/ip-up A program or script which is executed when

Re: Fwd: Re: There Will be a CLUG - (was "There is no CLUG")

2003-01-31 Thread Martin Baehr
On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 04:19:11PM +1300, Michael JasonSmith wrote: > On Fri, 2003-01-31 at 16:12, Carl Cerecke wrote: > > Anybody have any Linux questions? > GNOME or KDE? what happened to: emacs or vi? greetings, martin. -- interested in doing pike programming, sTeam/caudium/pike/roxen trainin

Re: There Will be a CLUG - (was "There is no CLUG")

2003-01-31 Thread Zane Gilmore
On Fri, 2003-01-31 at 14:12, Nick Rout wrote: > For heavens sake John, if you read the list properly you would know that > the people on this list (ie "CLUG" to the extent that it exists) don't > feel the need for anything more formal than we now have. What > unfulfilled need are you trying to addr

Re: Fwd: Re: There Will be a CLUG - (was "There is no CLUG")

2003-01-30 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:01, Col wrote: > Is there an easier/better way for a user to obtain ppp0 ip address than > > IP=$(netstat -rn | grep UH | cut -d" " -f1 | head -n 1) Quoting the pppd man page /etc/ppp/ip-up A program or script which is executed when the link is

Re: There Will be a CLUG - (was "There is no CLUG")

2003-01-30 Thread Paul
h (raised from door > > entries and maybe some small profit (loss?) on the installfest). Our one > > true asset is the knowledge of the people who participate. No committee > > is going to ever control that, particularly in the free (speech) world > > of linux/open source. >

Re: Fwd: Re: There Will be a CLUG - (was "There is no CLUG")

2003-01-30 Thread Adrian Stacey
Col wrote: I have one ( trying to learn bash scripting ) Is there an easier/better way for a user to obtain ppp0 ip address than IP=$(netstat -rn | grep UH | cut -d" " -f1 | head -n 1) IP=$(netstat -rn | grep UH | awk '{print $1}') Adrian

Re: There Will be a CLUG - (was "There is no CLUG")

2003-01-30 Thread Robert Fisher
a relativelty modest amount of cash (raised from door > entries and maybe some small profit (loss?) on the installfest). Our one > true asset is the knowledge of the people who participate. No committee > is going to ever control that, particularly in the free (speech) world > of linux/

Re: There is no CLUG

2003-01-30 Thread Robert Fisher
Sounds good to me On Fri, 2003-01-31 at 09:03, Jason Greenwood wrote: > Thanks Tim =) > > What does the list think of this idea?? > > Cheers > > J > > Tim Wright wrote: > > On Fri, 31 Jan 2003, Jason wrote: > > > > > > > I still think a meeting in 2 halves is best. First half GUI and app

Re: Fwd: Re: There Will be a CLUG - (was "There is no CLUG")

2003-01-30 Thread Col
Carl Cerecke wrote: Christopher Sawtell wrote: Personally, I have got neither the time nor the emotional energy to get involved with either a strictured, or a structured organisation. I'll just have to walk away from it if that happens. I hope not. Funnily enough, the 5 people "elected" to th

Re: Fwd: Re: There Will be a CLUG - (was "There is no CLUG")

2003-01-30 Thread C Falconer
On Fri, 2003-01-31 at 16:29, Carl Cerecke wrote: > Michael JasonSmith wrote: > > On Fri, 2003-01-31 at 16:12, Carl Cerecke wrote: > > >Anybody have any Linux questions? > > GNOME or KDE? > For you, Michael, twm. socks:~# ps auxw | grep twm criggie 763 0.0 0.1 3228 1464 ?SJan30

Re: Fwd: Re: There Will be a CLUG - (was "There is no CLUG")

2003-01-30 Thread Carl Cerecke
Michael JasonSmith wrote: On Fri, 2003-01-31 at 16:12, Carl Cerecke wrote: Anybody have any Linux questions? GNOME or KDE? For you, Michael, twm. Cheers, Carl.

Re: Fwd: Re: There Will be a CLUG - (was "There is no CLUG")

2003-01-30 Thread Michael JasonSmith
On Fri, 2003-01-31 at 16:12, Carl Cerecke wrote: > Anybody have any Linux questions? GNOME or KDE? :-P -- Michael JasonSmith http://www.cosc.canterbury.ac.nz/~mpj17/

Re: Fwd: Re: There Will be a CLUG - (was "There is no CLUG")

2003-01-30 Thread Carl Cerecke
Christopher Sawtell wrote: Personally, I have got neither the time nor the emotional energy to get involved with either a strictured, or a structured organisation. I'll just have to walk away from it if that happens. I hope not. Funnily enough, the 5 people "elected" to the committee probably h

Fwd: Re: There Will be a CLUG - (was "There is no CLUG")

2003-01-30 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:52, John S Veitch wrote: > Nick Elder : > "I MOVE THAT THE CLUG MEETING THIS COMING WEDNESDAY BE A GENERAL > MEETING AND THAT AT THIS MEETING WE FORM AN EXECUTIVE !" > > Christopher Sawtell: > "I second that!" While I did indeed write that, I want to make it perfectly clear

RE: There Will be a CLUG - (was "There is no CLUG")

2003-01-30 Thread David Kirk
John wrote: > There should be nothing controversial in the above suggestion. All > the "power" of the Executive Committee is in the hands of the five > people already appointed who group members already know, respect and > trust. Since we are doing some new things it might be beneficial to >

Re: There Will be a CLUG - (was "There is no CLUG")

2003-01-30 Thread Nick Rout
ch) world of linux/open source. Man I'm spending my 2 cent pieces fast! On Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:52:13 +1300 John S Veitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello Everyone > > It's clear that there is no CLUG, but many people before me have > expressed surprise at that and

There Will be a CLUG - (was "There is no CLUG")

2003-01-30 Thread John S Veitch
Hello Everyone It's clear that there is no CLUG, but many people before me have expressed surprise at that and like me have looked to improve the function of the local Linux community by doing some very obvious things. Nick Elder : "I MOVE THAT THE CLUG MEETING THIS COMING WEDN

Re: There is no CLUG

2003-01-30 Thread Jason Greenwood
No worries mate. A bit of friendly banter keeps the heart (and mind) in shape!! I look forward to seeing how things work at the next (actually I think it's 2 meetings away, since the next meeting is a "help" and "troubleshooting" meeting right?) meeting. Regards, Jason Greenwood Gareth Willia

Re: There is no CLUG

2003-01-30 Thread Gareth Williams
Jason, I think, from memory, I was one of the participants in that 'GUI vs CLI' flamewar (and not on your side either ;) However that's long forgotten, I just wanted to say I think your idea of meeting topics being oriented in 2 halves is a good one, and I'm sorry if I didn't speak up at the tim

Re: There is no CLUG

2003-01-30 Thread Nick Rout
man as that came thru i was writing to the other committee members suggesting we arrange just that! good on you jason. On Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:31:24 +1300 Jason Greenwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Done, I volunteer for the first half. I wil be putting a selection of > topics together in the n

Re: There is no CLUG

2003-01-30 Thread Jason Greenwood
Done, I volunteer for the first half. I wil be putting a selection of topics together in the next couple of days. As I doubt there will be time to discuss them all, I will ask that the list vote for a couple of them so I can select the ones people want to hear about most. Once that is done, I w

Re: There is no CLUG

2003-01-30 Thread Carl Cerecke
Jason Greenwood wrote: What does the list think of this idea?? The list thinks that the meeting after next has no speaker, and you are volunteering to do a half-meeting talk :-) Thanks. Now we need another speaker for the other half. Cheers, Carl.

Re: There is no CLUG

2003-01-30 Thread Lance BLACKLER
It gets my vote Lance B From: Jason Greenwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: There is no CLUG Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:03:25 +1300 Thanks Tim =) What does the list think of this idea?? Cheers J Tim Wright wrote: On Fri,

Re: There is no CLUG

2003-01-30 Thread Jason Greenwood
ThanksĀ  Tim =) What does the list think of this idea?? Cheers J Tim Wright wrote: On Fri, 31 Jan 2003, Jason wrote: I still think a meeting in 2 halves is best. First half GUI and app based discussions/presentations. Second half, CLI/programming oriented discussion. We start t

Re: There is no CLUG

2003-01-30 Thread Tim Wright
On Fri, 31 Jan 2003, Jason wrote: > I still think a meeting in 2 halves is best. First half GUI and app > based discussions/presentations. Second half, CLI/programming oriented > discussion. We start the halves at preset times, then, if people didn't > want to stay for the second half they could l

RE: There is no CLUG

2003-01-30 Thread Mahesh De Silva
> Will do as soon as it propagates to the archive. > > Wow I bugger off to Auckland for a few days and CLUG > gets a organised! Arr.. there's the first problem.. you went to auckland.. :) = For Linux CD's check out http://www.xsolutions.co.nz http://movies.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Movies - Wha

Re: There is no CLUG

2003-01-30 Thread Jason
Replies quoted below Jason, here http://lists.ethernal.org/cantlug-0208/msg00606.html you offered to talk on one of those subjects that interested you, what happenned? maybe you felt you needed to be asked. HAving the dubious honour of being on the meeting committee I'm gonna get you along f

RE: There is no CLUG

2003-01-30 Thread Bjorn Nilsen
Will do as soon as it propagates to the archive. Wow I bugger off to Auckland for a few days and CLUG gets a organised! > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > I'll second Carl's comment. I will add that now people have wanted to > organise meetings a little better, there are p

Re: There is no CLUG

2003-01-29 Thread Nick Rout
Jason, here http://lists.ethernal.org/cantlug-0208/msg00606.html you offered to talk on one of those subjects that interested you, what happenned? maybe you felt you needed to be asked. HAving the dubious honour of being on the meeting committee I'm gonna get you along for some info about the stuff

Re: There is no CLUG

2003-01-29 Thread Mike Beattie
On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 05:01:46PM +1300, Jason Greenwood wrote: > was not. To recap my feelings and what I thought the CLUG should include > more of, see the archives here: > http://lists.ethernal.org/cantlug-0208/msg00575.html Again, my archives pop up, and I completely forget they exist... I m

Re: There is no CLUG

2003-01-29 Thread Jason Greenwood
I wanted a LOT of things ;) But then I am a demanding chap, aren't I?? No, but seriously, Nick, your (as I saw it), ahem, sometimes abrasive and forthright nature frankly annoyed me. I have since gotten to know you better and though you still sometimes annoy me (as I surely do you), I have also

Re: There is no CLUG

2003-01-29 Thread Nick Rout
Not wanting to go over old ground here Jason, but IIRC you wanted more talks on gui type software, which quickly degenerated into a CLI/GUI flamewar oops I mean discussion. I think someone may have suggested that you organise or conduct talks on the areas that interested you, if that has resulted

Re: There is no CLUG

2003-01-29 Thread Jason Greenwood
I will not bore the list as I am reasonably sure I have made it quite clear what I would like the CLUG to do differently. IMHO, these concerns have fallen on more than deaf ears, they have fallen on vehemently contrary ears. That is totally fine, I guess I was outnumbered. As I said, I am not t

Re: There is no CLUG

2003-01-29 Thread Carl Cerecke
Jason Greenwood wrote: One problem with your little hypothesis/statement. It leaves no room for change/progression/evolution. All things change in time, that is the way of life. The list, and the activity that surround it, has changed a lot since the list was first started. Also, I had a sort-

Re: There is no CLUG

2003-01-29 Thread Nick Rout
If you were the committee of one, what would you change? On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:01:35 +1300 Jason Greenwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One problem with your little hypothesis/statement. It leaves no room for > change/progression/evolution. All things change in time, that is the way > of life

Re: There is no CLUG

2003-01-29 Thread Zane Gilmore
On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 16:01, Jason Greenwood wrote: > One problem with your little hypothesis/statement. It leaves no room for > change/progression/evolution. All things change in time, that is the way > of life. > > Jason Greenwood You have a point. I do think that we need to be able to change

Re: There is no CLUG

2003-01-29 Thread Jason Greenwood
o with lack of leadership/structure/formality on the mailing list. Remember. There is no CLUG. So don't complain about it. That is how it works. And I like it. Cheers, Carl. P.S. These are my opinions today. They may be subject to change tomorrow.

Re: There is no CLUG

2003-01-29 Thread Tim Wright
On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Tim Wright wrote: > Can we put a link from the website to them...next to the "i was a newbie" > one. We could call it "a brief history of Clug". aaah, commenting on my own comment. bad eh :) by "them" I meant Carl's comment. Tim Wright Assistant Lecturer Department of Comp

Re: There is no CLUG

2003-01-29 Thread Tim Wright
On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Carl Cerecke wrote: > Remember. There is no CLUG. So don't complain about it. > > That is how it works. > And I like it. I'll second Carl's comment. I will add that now people have wanted to organise meetings a little better, there are people d

There is no CLUG

2003-01-29 Thread Carl Cerecke
hing much gets done by mailing-list members apart from meetings (and the installfest) has nothing to do with lack of leadership/structure/formality on the mailing list. Remember. There is no CLUG. So don't complain about it. That is how it works. And I like it. Cheers, Carl. P.S. These are m