On Fri, 2003-08-15 at 16:08, Collins Richey wrote:
No, the truth is out. Hillary has spoken: GWB is at fault, as always.
GWB?
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Jack Berger wrote:
Well, could be, but...
Ted Kopel interviewed FORMER fed cyber security czar Richard Clark.
What a self serving piece of work this guy is, insinuating that this
is the work of terrorist hackers, since the electrical system was
designed to contain this type of outage to a small
No, I don't think we disagree on this. I just didn't expound on the
underlying reason for the current mess in the power system. That is
DE-REGULATION of the industry.
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Jack Berger wrote:
The truth is that everyone wants/loves/needs electricity, but
I am not sure that regulation or de-regulation is really the problem.
It seems to me to be this strange, hybrid, government solution that is
both and neither. If we want competition, deregulate the WHOLE thing
and allow competition. If we want regulation, stop pretending that the
power
On Sat, 2003-08-16 at 22:32, Ken Moffat wrote:
And if deregulated, what company will fix the lines that lead to Antler,
Minnesota, or Carnduff, Saskatchewan?
Well there's deregulation and there's privatization. Ma Bell services
areas that are not commercially viable because it is a condition
On Sat, 2003-08-16 at 23:11, Ken Moffat wrote:
I understand there is a move by Rumsfeld to privatize the armed forces.
Source out all the support functions, just leaving the bullet shooters
in the service. I'm pretty sure they won't deregulate! ;-)
That's been going on for at least 20
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On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 05:55:24 -0700
Tom Marinis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jack Berger wrote:
Well, could be,
Jack Berger wrote:
Maybe this is the wake up call that we need to upgrade the existing
system to (at least) current demand.
All true. And it's not as if this is the first time such a thing has
happened.
The proper name for it is: Dancing on the edge of the cliff.
Michael
Detriot did it!
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 23:25:33 -0500 - Jack Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
the following
Re: northeast power outage
Tom Marinis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Beside, nothing more will happen today, since the NORTHEAST
power outage occured around 2:00pm PST, 5:00pm EST.
[ Probably
Well, what does the average person want to know about? The power grid or
lifestyles of the rich and famous or American idol? We get what we deserve.
Engineers are SO boring.
And, the environmentalists will fight attempts to increase power
generation, except by building wind farms (aka
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From: Joel Hammer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 9:42 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: northeast power outage
Well, what does the average person want to know about? The
power grid or
lifestyles of the rich and famous or American idol? We
first. She has no idea why, just
that Detroit was the first to go black.
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:18:22 -0500 - Jack Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: RE: northeast power outage
Depending on where you are, the generation capacity may be adequate (excluding
CA), transmission capacity
On Fri, Aug 15, 2003, Joel Hammer wrote:
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And, the environmentalists will fight attempts to increase power
generation, except by building wind farms (aka environmentally destructive
tax ripoffs), which, as I understand it, make the grid more unstable,
not less.
Not to mention whacking birds at
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:24:36 -0500
ronnie gauthier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Detriot did it!
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 23:25:33 -0500 - Jack Berger
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following
Re: northeast power outage
Tom Marinis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Beside, nothing more will happen today
Tom Marinis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Beside, nothing more will happen today, since the NORTHEAST
power outage occured around 2:00pm PST, 5:00pm EST.
[ Probably a power generator being controlled by
POWER MANAGER, and that computer suffered a
MS windows BSOD fault
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