Re: [IFWP] ICANN teams with DOJ against Commerce and NSI - Rutt Better form Alernative Root

1999-07-22 Thread Jeff Williams
Gordon, Brock, and all, Thank you Gordon for sharing this with us. It seems to me though that this should have been released some time ago if possible. Don't you think? Others? Brock, How long have you had a copy of this E-Mail form Mr. Sims? There is much in this letter that explains m

[IFWP] ICANN teams with DOJ against Commerce and NSI - Rutt Better formAlernative Root

1999-07-22 Thread Gordon Cook
Given today's events, Jim Rutt better announce the formation of a Global Open Registry Association and solicit the 224 country code TLDs to join the Registry Association before the GAC makes them obsolete. The Registry Association better also form its own independent Root and invite the 224

[IFWP] Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] Hilights from today's hearing

1999-07-22 Thread Jeff Williams
Rod and all,   Well DOC/NTIA did make this mistake, but haven't got  the guts to admit it.  But it is well documented.  I also agree that this will be a very big deal and battle.  However given the choice between having the registry database in the hands of NSI vs ICANN I would at this juncture o

[IFWP] Re: [ga] Essay on ICANN

1999-07-22 Thread Jeff Williams
Michael and all, Very nice essay Michael. I liked it allot. However it really doesn't tell us anything that most of us don't already know. Nor does it provide any real insight that might solve some of the problems with making the transition to private competitive based internet. Your ide

[IFWP] Re: Media Bias

1999-07-22 Thread Kerry Miller
> The Reuters story is about ICANN = dropping the $1 fee and opening > up its board meetings. Ironically, this statement in itself illustrates how easy it is to trim off details in order to get something into print, even if one is not overtly grinding an axe (or working for a penny a word).

Re: [IFWP] Congressional Hearings - Soundbyte

1999-07-22 Thread Richard J. Sexton
Lemme try that again. >Well, I think it has a serious oppostion from the Richard >Foreman slip: "ICANN Solutions", when referring to who runs .COM. ^ -- Richard Sexton | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://dns.vrx.net/tech/rootzone http://killifish.vrx.nethttp://www.m

[IFWP] Announcement: Hearing Audio Archive & Scribe's Notes

1999-07-22 Thread Ben Edelman
As of several hours ago, the audio archive of this morning's hearing of the House Commerce Committee Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations is available online at the Berkman Center's ICANN-Related Events page, . I've also just uploaded some notes

Re: [IFWP] Congressional Hearings - Soundbyte

1999-07-22 Thread Richard J. Sexton
At 11:33 AM 7/22/99 -0800, you wrote: >My nomination for the best soundbyte of today's Congressional Hearing on >"Domain Name System Privatization: Is ICANN Out of Control?" > >"Consensus is a lot like pornography. You know it when you see it." > > (Sorry, I don't ha

[IFWP] Re: The "Real World" arrives on the internet

1999-07-22 Thread Bill Lovell
At 02:56 PM 7/22/99 -0400, you wrote: >>From a practical perspective, NSI >was correct in doing this. What >better way to reduce the unnecessary >work flow (delinquencies, mailings, >etc.) than by stopping the problems >before they started. > >Congratulations to NSI. Yeah, right. "Congratulati

RE: [IFWP] Media Bias - Reuters

1999-07-22 Thread Ellen Rony
>absolutely Jay. how do you think the slime from alex ogilvie >earn their hoped for future fees from ICANN except by saying to >esther appear to drop your fee and open a board meeting and you will >get news stories where you look truly reformed Tangentially related: David Ogilvy, founder o

Re: [IFWP] Congressional Hearings - Soundbyte

1999-07-22 Thread Mark C. Langston
On 22 July 1999, Ellen Rony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >My nomination for the best soundbyte of today's Congressional Hearing on >"Domain Name System Privatization: Is ICANN Out of Control?" > >"Consensus is a lot like pornography. You know it when you see it." > >

Re: [IFWP] Congressional Hearings - Soundbyte

1999-07-22 Thread Craig Simon
How about this one by Jim Rutt... "What's good for the Internet is good for NSI." I don't think you'll get consensus on that one. He also said (as I heard it) in response to a question about whether he thinks NSI owns .com, "That's a metaphysical question." Craig Simon

[IFWP] Congressional Hearings - Soundbyte

1999-07-22 Thread Ellen Rony
My nomination for the best soundbyte of today's Congressional Hearing on "Domain Name System Privatization: Is ICANN Out of Control?" "Consensus is a lot like pornography. You know it when you see it." (Sorry, I don't have attribution). Is there consensus on thi

RE: [IFWP] Media Bias - Reuters

1999-07-22 Thread Gene Marsh
Mine too. At 12:39 PM 7/22/99 -0400, you wrote: >I think Jay's concern - and mine also, is this. There >are currently 248 companies selling domains under >top level domanis they manage that are currently in >the legacy root servers. > >Then, on the other hand, we have maybe a few dozen >compani

[IFWP] bias in general

1999-07-22 Thread Richard J. Sexton
Why is the congressinal committee so hung up on NSI saynig "consensus" and implying it means NSI consensus, yet whenever Mike Roberts or Esther say "it was consensus of the Inetrnet community" this is not questioned? -- Richard Sexton | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://dns.vrx.net/tech/rootzone htt

RE: [IFWP] Media Bias - Reuters

1999-07-22 Thread Richard J. Sexton
I think Jay's concern - and mine also, is this. There are currently 248 companies selling domains under top level domanis they manage that are currently in the legacy root servers. Then, on the other hand, we have maybe a few dozen companies that also want to manage a top level domain domain an

[IFWP] BOUNCE list@ifwp.org: Non-member submission from [Andy Gardner ]

1999-07-22 Thread Richard J. Sexton
>Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: BOUNCE [EMAIL PROTECTED]:Non-member submission from [Andy Gardner ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] >Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 06:46:24 -0400 (EDT) > >>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu

RE: [IFWP] Media Bias - Reuters

1999-07-22 Thread Gordon Cook
absolutely Jay. how do you think the slime from alex ogilvie earn their hoped for future fees from ICANN except by saying to esther appear to drop your fee and open a board meeting and you will get news stories where you look truly reformed because well will write release telling lazy rep

[IFWP] Re: NCDNHC Constituency annuncement from ISOC

1999-07-22 Thread Kerry Miller
> Don Heath again is talking out of both > sides of his mouth, as the Link reference and this post will show > when put up against the minuets of the Berlin meeting regarding > Don's comments of the very formation of the NCDNHC. Resolution 99.39 -- "with the recognition that the interest

[IFWP] Reminder: Commerce Committee Webcast This Morning!

1999-07-22 Thread edelman
Just a quick reminder: The Berkman Center will be webcasting this morning's hearings of the House Commerce Committee Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations on Domain Name System Privatization. To tune in, go to shortly before the 11:00 AM Easter

[IFWP] incompetent and false reporting as usual from washington post

1999-07-22 Thread Gordon Cook
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/business/daily/july99/internet22.htm The roots of the current conflict extend back to 1992, when the Internet was the territory of academics and computer enthusiasts. Needing an organization to manage address

RE: [IFWP] Media Bias - Reuters

1999-07-22 Thread Ivan Pope
I thought I must have missed something :-) > Ivan, > > You wrote: > > > > Jay, > > You really don't get it, do you? The Reuters story is about > > ICANN dropping > > the $1 fee and opening up its board meetings. I don't think > > the journalist > > set out to examine the history or future of

RE: [IFWP] Media Bias - Reuters

1999-07-22 Thread R . Gaetano
Ivan, You wrote: > > Jay, > You really don't get it, do you? The Reuters story is about > ICANN dropping > the $1 fee and opening up its board meetings. I don't think > the journalist > set out to examine the history or future of the namespace. > When people start shouting about media bias yo