Re: [pfSense] pfSense vs JunOS

2012-07-04 Thread Tonix (Antonio Nati)
Il 02/07/2012 15:51, Jim Pingle ha scritto: On 7/2/2012 9:38 AM, Tonix (Antonio Nati) wrote: Too much confusion in keeping filters tables, Switching how the entire firewall operates is also very confusing and not likely to do what people expect -- floating rules would be much easier to

Re: [pfSense] pfSense vs JunOS

2012-07-04 Thread Ermal Luçi
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Tonix (Antonio Nati) to...@interazioni.it wrote: Il 02/07/2012 15:51, Jim Pingle ha scritto: On 7/2/2012 9:38 AM, Tonix (Antonio Nati) wrote: Too much confusion in keeping filters tables, Switching how the entire firewall operates is also very confusing and

Re: [pfSense] pfSense vs JunOS

2012-07-04 Thread Odette Nsaka
I confirm too: excellent support! Odette -- Odette Nsaka odette.ns...@libero.it Il giorno mar, 03/07/2012 alle 15.26 -0600, James Caldwell ha scritto: Absolutely, some of the best support I've had for a software solution to date. James ... ___

Re: [pfSense] pfSense vs JunOS

2012-07-04 Thread Giles Coochey
On 04/07/2012 11:06, Tonix (Antonio Nati) wrote: Il 04/07/2012 11:44, Ermal Luçi ha scritto: On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Tonix (Antonio Nati) to...@interazioni.it wrote: Il 02/07/2012 15:51, Jim Pingle ha scritto: On 7/2/2012 9:38 AM, Tonix (Antonio Nati) wrote: Too much confusion in

Re: [pfSense] pfSense vs JunOS

2012-07-04 Thread Sean Cavanaugh
Once you have an incoming connection (first time) to, let's say from INT X to INT Y, dest IP Z, dest port P, will these alternative rules be evaluated in same moment or not? - Evaluate INPUT on INT X, dest IP Z, dest port P - Evaluate OUTPUT on INT Y, dest IP Z, dest port P If the answer is

Re: [pfSense] pfSense vs JunOS

2012-07-04 Thread Tonix (Antonio Nati)
Il 04/07/2012 16:21, Sean Cavanaugh ha scritto: Once you have an incoming connection (first time) to, let's say from INT X to INT Y, dest IP Z, dest port P, will these alternative rules be evaluated in same moment or not? - Evaluate INPUT on INT X, dest IP Z, dest port P - Evaluate OUTPUT on

Re: [pfSense] pfSense vs JunOS

2012-07-04 Thread Tonix (Antonio Nati)
Il 04/07/2012 15:41, Giles Coochey ha scritto: On 04/07/2012 11:06, Tonix (Antonio Nati) wrote: Il 04/07/2012 11:44, Ermal Luçi ha scritto: On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Tonix (Antonio Nati) to...@interazioni.it wrote: Il 02/07/2012 15:51, Jim Pingle ha scritto: On 7/2/2012 9:38 AM,

Re: [pfSense] pfSense vs JunOS

2012-07-03 Thread Vick Khera
On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Chris Buechler c...@pfsense.org wrote: The level of service we provide is on par or better than commercial vendors. For most of our customers, much better, because commercial vendors will rule out the firewall and tell you to have a nice day I'll confirm that

Re: [pfSense] pfSense vs JunOS

2012-07-03 Thread bsd
Le 3 juil. 2012 à 21:59, Vick Khera a écrit : On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Chris Buechler c...@pfsense.org wrote: The level of service we provide is on par or better than commercial vendors. For most of our customers, much better, because commercial vendors will rule out the firewall and

Re: [pfSense] pfSense vs JunOS

2012-07-03 Thread James Caldwell
] pfSense vs JunOS Le 3 juil. 2012 à 21:59, Vick Khera a écrit : On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Chris Buechler c...@pfsense.org wrote: The level of service we provide is on par or better than commercial vendors. For most of our customers, much better, because commercial vendors will rule out

Re: [pfSense] pfSense vs JunOS

2012-07-02 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 01:14:12PM +0200, Adam Thompson wrote: Are there any JunOS features you consider killer that are not in pfSense 2.1? What would be these features? Hardware offload: you can scale vertically with JunOS platforms with the simple addition of more money, whereas an

Re: [pfSense] pfSense vs JunOS

2012-07-02 Thread tibz
On 1/7/2012 5:47 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: Are there any JunOS features you consider killer that are not in pfSense 2.1? What would be these features? Thanks. A couple of features that pfSense is lacking according to me (not only compared to SRX/JunOS though): - Zone-based FW, to replace the

Re: [pfSense] pfSense vs JunOS

2012-07-02 Thread Giles Coochey
On 02/07/2012 13:41, Tonix (Antonio Nati) wrote: I've suggested (both for pfSense and Monowall) to give the possibility to invert the filtering directions. In complex environment, it would be a lot more useful to apply filters to outgoing interfaces (instead of incoming interfaces). In this

Re: [pfSense] pfSense vs JunOS

2012-07-02 Thread Jim Pingle
[skipping over things I have no opinion on or answer for] On 7/2/2012 8:29 AM, tibz wrote: - Zone-based FW, to replace the current incoming interface based system. Or to get the choice between both at the beginning. This is mainly to ease the maintenance. Say I've 8 interfaces/vlans, and 1 is

Re: [pfSense] pfSense vs JunOS

2012-07-02 Thread Jim Pingle
On 7/2/2012 8:41 AM, Tonix (Antonio Nati) wrote: I've suggested (both for pfSense and Monowall) to give the possibility to invert the filtering directions. Which you can do on floating rules. You can make floating rules in the 'out' direction. No need to alter the rest of the interface or make

Re: [pfSense] pfSense vs JunOS

2012-07-02 Thread Tonix (Antonio Nati)
Il 02/07/2012 15:32, Jim Pingle ha scritto: On 7/2/2012 8:41 AM, Tonix (Antonio Nati) wrote: I've suggested (both for pfSense and Monowall) to give the possibility to invert the filtering directions. Which you can do on floating rules. You can make floating rules in the 'out' direction. No

Re: [pfSense] pfSense vs JunOS

2012-07-02 Thread Jim Pingle
On 7/2/2012 9:38 AM, Tonix (Antonio Nati) wrote: Too much confusion in keeping filters tables, Switching how the entire firewall operates is also very confusing and not likely to do what people expect -- floating rules would be much easier to understand than you expect (if the list were cleaned

Re: [pfSense] pfSense vs JunOS

2012-07-02 Thread Giles Coochey
On 02/07/2012 14:37, Tonix (Antonio Nati) wrote: I would be not so sure about that. When I gave an inside look at PF, some years ago, I had the perception filters are evaluated all together in the same place, despite they are ingoing or outgoing. You can even mix incomin and outgoing

Re: [pfSense] pfSense vs JunOS

2012-07-02 Thread Michael Schuh
2012/7/1 Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org Are there any JunOS features you consider killer that are not in pfSense 2.1? What would be these features? Thanks. ___ List mailing list List@lists.pfsense.org http://lists.pfsense.org/mailman/listinfo/list

Re: [pfSense] pfSense vs JunOS

2012-07-02 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Mon, Jul 02, 2012 at 01:01:47PM +0100, Chris Bagnall wrote: On 1/7/12 4:47 pm, Eugen Leitl wrote: Are there any JunOS features you consider killer that are not in pfSense 2.1? What would be these features? 'JunOS' is a fairly vague comparison point - the JunOS feature set supported by

Re: [pfSense] pfSense vs JunOS

2012-07-02 Thread tibir
On 2/07/2012 15:39, Chris Bagnall wrote: On 2/7/12 2:31 pm, Jim Pingle wrote: No, that'll never happen. Bloating the system is never the correct answer. +1. I couldn't agree more. Kind regards, Chris Well I was not expecting you to take the current package directly in the installer and

Re: [pfSense] pfSense vs JunOS

2012-07-02 Thread Jim Pingle
On 7/2/2012 11:42 AM, tibir wrote: I was referring to adding feature. You already have a lot of packages, or lets call them services that are integrated into pfSense. (so they are part of the basic, like openvpn, dhcp server, ...)There could have been a DHCP Server package to add, but instead

Re: [pfSense] pfSense vs JunOS

2012-07-02 Thread Tonix (Antonio Nati)
Il 02/07/2012 15:51, Giles Coochey ha scritto: On 02/07/2012 14:37, Tonix (Antonio Nati) wrote: I would be not so sure about that. When I gave an inside look at PF, some years ago, I had the perception filters are evaluated all together in the same place, despite they are ingoing or

Re: [pfSense] pfSense vs JunOS

2012-07-01 Thread Adam Thompson
Are there any JunOS features you consider killer that are not in pfSense 2.1? What would be these features? Hardware offload: you can scale vertically with JunOS platforms with the simple addition of more money, whereas an x86-style software-only system like pfSense will always hit

Re: [pfSense] pfSense vs JunOS

2012-07-01 Thread Chris Buechler
On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Adam Thompson athom...@athompso.net wrote: Are there any JunOS features you consider killer that are not in pfSense 2.1? What would be these features? Hardware offload: you can scale vertically with JunOS platforms with the simple addition of more money,

Re: [pfSense] pfSense vs JunOS

2012-07-01 Thread David Miller
On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: Are there any JunOS features you consider killer that are not in pfSense 2.1? What would be these features? I'll add a few things to Adam's list. The biggest in my opinion is a solid cli. The webUI is not bad in pfSense