Re: [WSG] Image replacement menu that works with images off

2006-09-29 Thread Kim Kruse
I thought I'd post back to let you know what I came up with. It turned out that I was able to use Thierry's solution (http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/tip.asp). Result can be seen here http://geekministry.com/yeah/index.php If I'm using a BR before the text it is because of IE that shows tiny ico

Re: [WSG] Image replacement menu that works with images off

2006-09-26 Thread John Faulds
Hi Mike, Sorry, I've had a closer look now and see how you've done it. My only problem with that method would be that you've needed to apply overflow: hidden to a block level element above the block level element that holds the anchor and span. This is probably OK for something like a heade

Re: [WSG] Image replacement menu that works with images off

2006-09-26 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
John Faulds wrote: > Maybe I'm missing something but you've got > an image in your HTML. That's not really an > image replacement method in that case. But it is, though. The embedded image is there for another reason and it's not the same image: It's my pre-loading [1] technique, John; it's the

Re: [WSG] Image replacement menu that works with images off

2006-09-26 Thread Kim Kruse
Hi John, Just what I need. Thank you. Kim *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***

Re: [WSG] Image replacement menu that works with images off

2006-09-26 Thread John Faulds
I wrote an article about styling a horizontal nav with the IR technique I mentioned previously: http://www.tyssendesign.com.au/articles/css/single-image-replacement-rollovers-with-suckerfish-dropdowns/ It also includes a bit on how to combine it with Suckerfish Dropdowns, but the first part s

Re: [WSG] Image replacement menu that works with images off

2006-09-26 Thread John Faulds
Maybe I'm missing something but you've got an image in your HTML. That's not really an image replacement method in that case. On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:17:03 +1000, Mike at Green-Beast.com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: John Faulds wrote: It should be pointed out that this method has problems wh

Re: [WSG] Image replacement menu that works with images off

2006-09-26 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
John Faulds wrote: > It should be pointed out that this method has > problems when you resize the text (unless > you've since found a way to fix that Mike). I did, John, as seen on the site I just used it on: http://myrnamunroe.org/. Basically what I did is 1) allowed lots of room for growth and 2

Re: [WSG] Image replacement menu that works with images off

2006-09-26 Thread Kim Kruse
Hi, Maybe I should extend my question a bit. Here on this page http://geekministry.com/yeah/index.php I'm currently using Dan Cederholm/Pixi's solution http://www.simplebits.com/notebook/2003/09/30/accessible_imagetab_rollovers.html which works very well with images on. The obvious problem is

Re: [WSG] Image replacement menu that works with images off

2006-09-26 Thread John Faulds
[1] http://neal.venditto.org/articles/12/bir It should be pointed out that this method has problems when you resize the text (unless you've since found a way to fix that Mike). My recommendation would be: http://www.ryznardesign.com/web_coding/image_replacement/index.html -- Tyssen Design w

Re: [WSG] Image replacement menu that works with images off

2006-09-26 Thread Jan Brasna
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Re: [WSG] Image replacement menu that works with images off

2006-09-26 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
Kim Kruse wrote: > I'm looking for a good solid img replacement > menu that works well with images off. Hello Kim, You might want to check out this technique [1]. It gives a masthead-type image as an example, but it could be easily adapted to a menu. I've just recently started playing around wi

[WSG] Image replacement menu that works with images off

2006-09-26 Thread Kim Kruse
Hi, I'm looking for a good solid img replacement menu that works well with images off. Suggestions welcome. Thanks Kim *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.o

Re: [WSG] Image replacement menu that works with images off

2006-09-26 Thread Christian Montoya
On 9/26/06, Kim Kruse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, I'm looking for a good solid img replacement menu that works well with images off. Suggestions welcome. Thanks Kim For want of more information, I'll give you the best answer I can: -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... portfo

Re: [WSG] Image Replacement

2006-07-19 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Paul Bennett wrote: >> Paul, >> If you're using an img element already, you may want to try this: >> http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/tip.asp > > Thanks Thierry, but (unless I'm mistaken) I'd need a separate style > rule for each page containing an H1, as all the images are a > different size. Yo

RE: [WSG] Image Replacement

2006-07-19 Thread Paul Bennett
>Paul, >If you're using an img element already, you may want to try this: >http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/tip.asp Thanks Thierry, but (unless I'm mistaken) I'd need a separate style rule for each page containing an H1, as all the images are a different size. My current solution is working fin

Re: [WSG] Image Replacement

2006-07-19 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Paul Bennett wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm fighting through the wads of info (and opinions) out there about > CSS image replacement. > > I'm concerned that using CSS like: > text-indent: -9000px; > may get our site penalised by search engines. > > Feeling overly pragmatic, I added the following to a

Re: [WSG] Image replacement and printing

2006-07-19 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Ryan Sabir wrote: > Hi all, > > We've just been investigating using Fahrner Image Replacement, or one > of its more accessibility friendly derivatives, when we came across > the problem of printing. > > It seems that in IE the default option is to not print background > images and colours. So a p

RE: [WSG] Image Replacement

2006-07-18 Thread Paul Bennett
Thanks Al, What you've said makes sense. I've turned my paranoia level down to 'mildly twitchy' :) Paul ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on postin

Re: [WSG] Image Replacement

2006-07-18 Thread Al Sparber
Paul Bennett wrote: While Google can program its spiders to look for text patterns in a page's markup, I would bet a large sum that it cannot read an external style sheet and be able to connect the dots, as it were. http://www.threadwatch.org/node/4313#comment-26923 If it tried, it would fail

RE: [WSG] Image Replacement

2006-07-18 Thread Paul Bennett
>While Google can program its spiders to look for text >patterns in a page's markup, I would bet a large sum that it cannot >read an external style sheet and be able to connect the dots, as it >were. http://www.threadwatch.org/node/4313#comment-26923 >If it tried, it would fail and, worse, in

Re: [WSG] Image Replacement

2006-07-18 Thread Al Sparber
Paul Bennett wrote: Hi all, Thanks for your replies. I am concerned that the general feeling out there is that it's ok to shove text off the page using CSS and replace it with an image. In fact in this comment: http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/seo-mistakes-unwise-comments/ He states 'you said th

RE: [WSG] Image Replacement

2006-07-18 Thread Paul Bennett
Hi all, Thanks for your replies. I am concerned that the general feeling out there is that it's ok to shove text off the page using CSS and replace it with an image. I agree that this is a widely used technique - espoused by many a guru, but according to articles like this: http://www.mattcutts

Re: [WSG] Image Replacement

2006-07-18 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
I previously wrote in response to Paul: > [...] An image with alt text is fine as it > satisfies the requirements of all users. This part isn't exactly accurate. If the image contains text (which would more than likely be the reason for alt text in the first place), the alt text would be availab

Re: [WSG] Image Replacement

2006-07-18 Thread leenath1
Hi Paul, There is nothing wrong with what you have done. If you are happy with that solution then go for it. My personal opinion however is that headings are content, and therefore I always strive to preserve this, primarily because: - Users can the scale the text size - With CSS/images/javas

Re: [WSG] Image Replacement

2006-07-17 Thread Tim
Pardon a newbie perspective, I like to show my skip navs a few pixels up, but visable, useful to see it as well as have it there, I hide it with a no show in the printing stylesheet. It allows easier keyboad navigation I think. I'm not sure of any SEO penalty for -9000 pixels, why not just

Re: [WSG] Image Replacement

2006-07-17 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
Paul wrote: > I'm concerned that using CSS like: > text-indent: -9000px; > may get our site penalised by search engines. As long as the real text which is accessible to search engine spiders (and other users with similar limitations as spiders) is also visible on the page to sighted users, you s

Re: [WSG] Image Replacement

2006-07-17 Thread Lachlan Hardy
On 7/18/06, Paul Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm concerned that using CSS like:text-indent: -9000px;may get our site penalised by search engines.People often talk about this. Does anyone have any specific references of it actually occurring? I've not seen it yet I can live with this, as the

[WSG] Image Replacement

2006-07-17 Thread Paul Bennett
Hi all, I'm fighting through the wads of info (and opinions) out there about CSS image replacement. I'm concerned that using CSS like: text-indent: -9000px; may get our site penalised by search engines. Feeling overly pragmatic, I added the following to a page in development: It works (shows