[lojban-beginners] Re: Help! The Xorlo are attacking!

2010-02-13 Thread Jon "Top Hat" Jones
{cmene}, but not all {cmene} are {cmevla}. On 2/13/10, Timo Paulssen wrote: > Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: >> One thing I want to mention: {la} is not only for cmene. It is the gadri >> used for all cmevla. {la mlatu}, for instance, is a cmevla, whereas >> {la.aionys.} i

[lojban-beginners] Re: smart.fm

2010-02-10 Thread Jon "Top Hat" Jones
I added a column on the Gdoc to put the mp3 file locations in. On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: > Worst come to worst, we can use Google Docs as a repository- it will "soon > be possible" to upload any kind of file, which I would assume incl

[lojban-beginners] Re: smart.fm

2010-02-10 Thread Jon "Top Hat" Jones
M, Sara Brand wrote: > I had offered to help with this project, but it turns out that I really > don't have the time for it. Sorry guys. > > > On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: > >> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 5:12 AM, Oren wrote: >

[lojban-beginners] Re: Help! The Xorlo are attacking!

2010-02-09 Thread Jon "Top Hat" Jones
One thing I want to mention: {la} is not only for cmene. It is the gadri used for all cmevla. {la mlatu}, for instance, is a cmevla, whereas {la.aionys.} is a cmene. On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:14 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Monday 08 February 2010 22:56:52 Stela Selckiku wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 8

[lojban-beginners] Re: smart.fm

2010-02-02 Thread Jon "Top Hat" Jones
son in any of the other web-based language learning sites in extent. And if someone happened to come across a learning site that supported Lojban pronunciation, we wouldn't even need the audio for it. On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 05:31, Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: > >> I have come

[lojban-beginners] Re: smart.fm

2010-02-01 Thread Jon "Top Hat" Jones
I have come to the conclusion that it would be beneficial to this project if there was some sort of central online repository for the lojban audio re: the Smart.fm lessons, the reason being that it would be a simple matter for those of us who are putting the entries in the lessons would be able to

[lojban-beginners] Happy New Year!

2009-12-31 Thread Jon "Top Hat" Jones
.ui ko gleki lonu cnino nanca On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Minimiscience wrote: > de'i li 29 pi'e 12 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. Jon Top Hat Jones .fy. cusku zoi > skamyxatra. > > cacra is defined in the gismu list as "x1 is x2 hours in duration >

[lojban-beginners] Re: Site for beginners was: vlatai and logflash

2009-12-23 Thread Jon "Top Hat" Jones
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 6:21 AM, A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > By the way, what's KDE? I suspect something American. Well, > I'm not an American and I assume we want non-American beginners too. > KDE is one of the two most popular GUIs for Linux. A GUI is the desktop, startbar, and so on. As a som

[lojban-beginners] Re: A question about gismu definitions

2009-12-18 Thread Jon "Top Hat" Jones
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Christopher Doty wrote: > ...Which brings me to another question: > > cpina- x1 is pungent/piquant/peppery/spicy/irritating to sense x2 > > It seems odd to me to have "irritating" in this definition, since it > presumes that something spicy or peppery is bad.

[lojban-beginners] Re: using Google Wave for Lojban learning and projects

2009-12-07 Thread Jon "Top Hat" Jones
I was trying to be funny. :( On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Carlos Gabriel Quiroz wrote: > oh, I use initiative to refer to any project or proposal in its early > stages. Nevermind semantics. > > > 2009/12/7 Jon "Top Hat" Jones > > It's an initiativ

[lojban-beginners] Re: using Google Wave for Lojban learning and projects

2009-12-07 Thread Jon "Top Hat" Jones
It's an initiative? I thought it was merely a project. On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Carlos Gabriel Quiroz wrote: > How many here are using Wave already? I don't have any invitations at the > moment but if anyone wants one just reply to me directly and I'll send you > one when possible. > > I t

[lojban-beginners] Re: Smart.fm and Lojban

2009-12-06 Thread Jon "Top Hat" Jones
Update- I've finally finished putting the audio in for the entries I made for the lessons. Once I audio for the next set, I'll be putting them in. Possibly by the end of tomorrow. On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: > Okay, so in the desire to put so

[lojban-beginners] Re: Smart.fm and Lojban

2009-12-06 Thread Jon "Top Hat" Jones
Okay, so in the desire to put some kind of organization to the audio recording bit, I'm going to "dole out" sections of the gismu list. I believe there are five people doing recordings including myself. Assuming that's correct, here's the sections for everybody: Me: bacru - daspo Eppcott: dasri -

[lojban-beginners] Re: Smart.fm and Lojban

2009-12-06 Thread Jon "Top Hat" Jones
udio yet, I'm working on it. > > > On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: > >> That's not Sara. That's the computer voice. >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:15 AM, chris kerr wrote: >> >>> You might

[lojban-beginners] Re: Smart.fm and Lojban

2009-12-06 Thread Jon "Top Hat" Jones
That's not Sara. That's the computer voice. On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:15 AM, chris kerr wrote: > You might want to check how Sara is pronouncing things like "sakci" and > "sadjo" and "lo te sakta" etc before she gets too much further. > > codru

[lojban-beginners] Re: Smart.fm and Lojban

2009-12-05 Thread Jon "Top Hat" Jones
g the "created" tab, selecting the items for the lesson, and clicking the "add items to goal" icon at the bottom of the list. On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: > If you want to add pictures to the entries, you're welcome to. I had

[lojban-beginners] Re: Smart.fm and Lojban

2009-12-05 Thread Jon "Top Hat" Jones
; that are in there so far. Should there be pictures of the gismu as well? I > agree with you about the recordings of the words; gotta get the > pronunciation right! > > I'm doing this on my iphone. What do you need me to do and how do I do it? > > -Steve > > > On De

[lojban-beginners] Re: Smart.fm and Lojban

2009-12-04 Thread Jon "Top Hat" Jones
sounds > have been learned, the whole language is accessible. I think you're wasting > your time and effort, but they're yours to waste. > OTOH, if you're doing it because you like to, then more power to you. > > stevo > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 7:34 PM, Jon "T

[lojban-beginners] Re: Smart.fm and Lojban

2009-12-04 Thread Jon "Top Hat" Jones
e to have this finished before 2011. On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: > The all-inclusive <http://smart.fm/goals/179543-lojban-gismu> lesson can > be subscribed to right now, but it only has 6 entries so far. The other two > have two and four i

[lojban-beginners] Re: Smart.fm and Lojban

2009-12-04 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
The all-inclusive lesson can be subscribed to right now, but it only has 6 entries so far. The other two have two and four items respectively, and Smart.fm requires a minimum of 5 items to be able to subscribe to it. As more entries are made, however, the

[lojban-beginners] Re: Smart.fm and Lojban

2009-12-03 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
s will be a really useful tool for remembering vocabulary (my biggest > block right now). I'd love to help with it. > > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: > >> I've decided to just make a lesson for each format. The direct links to

[lojban-beginners] Re: Smart.fm and Lojban

2009-12-03 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
tempt to get the lessons listed in the Software-assisted Learning section on lojban.org. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: > Addendum the third: Direct link to the lesson: > http://smart.fm/goals/179543 > > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Jon &quo

[lojban-beginners] Re: Smart.fm and Lojban

2009-12-03 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
Addendum the third: Direct link to the lesson: http://smart.fm/goals/179543 On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: > Addendum the second: Apparently, I have to invite people for collaboration, > which requires that any one that wishes to collaborate ne

[lojban-beginners] Re: Smart.fm and Lojban

2009-12-03 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
5:52 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: > Addendum: I've added the alphabetically first gismu, bacru, to the lesson > to provide an example of what the entries would look like. > > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: > >> I'

[lojban-beginners] Re: Smart.fm and Lojban

2009-12-03 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
Addendum: I've added the alphabetically first gismu, bacru, to the lesson to provide an example of what the entries would look like. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: > I've decided to add the gismu as a lesson on Smart.fm, and I wanted to &

[lojban-beginners] Smart.fm and Lojban

2009-12-03 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
I've decided to add the gismu as a lesson on Smart.fm, and I wanted to discuss this with rodo. First, I'd like to invite anyone interested in helping to complete the lesson to do so. I'm not certain how collaboration works, but I do know it's possible. Second, I have a question as to formatting f

[lojban-beginners] Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn

2009-12-03 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
Doubly so since the exact same massage was sent /twice/. On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Robin Lee Powell < rlpow...@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > Since this was a post to a mailing list, I'd call it spam. > > -Robin > > On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 06:58:55AM -0800, Ryan Leach wrote: > >I'd be hap

[lojban-beginners] Parallel update (was: Re: Parallel confusion.)

2009-02-02 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 12:42 AM, Jon Top Hat Jones wrote: > On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Brett Williams wrote: > >> On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Jon Top Hat Jones >> wrote: >> > I don't suppose anyone's up for recording sounds for the modules? >&

[lojban-beginners] Re: Parallel confusion.

2009-01-31 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Brett Williams wrote: > On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Jon Top Hat Jones > wrote: > > I don't suppose anyone's up for recording sounds for the modules? > > > I'm not really .u'u familiar with this project, but I'd

[lojban-beginners] Re: Parallel confusion.

2009-01-31 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Brett Williams wrote: > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Jon Top Hat Jones > wrote: > > I've just run across something rather confusing in Parallel Plus. In > Module > > 1, Example 158, the English is "Anna's bicycle", b

[lojban-beginners] Parallel confusion.

2009-01-21 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
I've just run across something rather confusing in Parallel Plus. In Module 1, Example 158, the English is "Anna's bicycle", but the Lojban given is {le la .anas. karce}, instead of the nigh impossible for me to pronounce {relxilma'e} I expected. Is this an error, or did the author decide that a b

[lojban-beginners] Re: grand mother

2009-01-21 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 7:46 AM, wrote: > > In a message dated 2009-01-21 07:38:15 Eastern Standard Time, > > mturnian...@gmail.com writes: > > > > > > (Although you can convert a la+cmevla to a selbri by sticking "me" in > front > > o

[lojban-beginners] Re: Spelling "Alan" in lojban?

2009-01-14 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Alan Post < terminal-keyword-lojban.416...@c0redump.org> wrote: > [I appologize if you see this twice, I'm not certain it properly > sent the first time.] > > I am reading through the level0 brochure, and I think I have > gathered enough information to spell my fir

[lojban-beginners] Re: New guy =)

2008-12-29 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 4:29 AM, Elmo Todurov wrote: > erik wallin wrote: > >> Hi there >> I'm Erik, from Sweden, and i've just gotten into lojban. >> > > You don't know what you got yourself into *evil grin*! OK, just joking. > > I'm 15 years old >> > > You're one of the youngest, then. The ave

[lojban-beginners] Re: Complex Selbri

2008-12-25 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Minimiscience wrote: > de'i li 25 pi'e 12 pi'e 2008 la'o fy. > synx13+loj...@gmail.com.fy. cusku zoi > skamyxatra. > > I've browsed a number of tutorials, but can't seem to find how to do > > this. How would I say "a friend of mine" or "my friends" as a sumti? I

[lojban-beginners] Re: jbovlaste-based dictionary, 2nd edition

2008-12-01 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
I don't know about anyone else, but for me the link is broken. http://idisk.me.com is linked, but /yoavetali/Public/ld.pdf is not, I had to copy paste to the address bar. http://idisk.me.com /yoavetali/Public/ld.pdf On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 11:32 PM, Yoa

[lojban-beginners] Re: is jboselkei still active?

2008-11-19 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 2:51 PM, james riley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I very rarely go on it. I'll return in earnest if there's activity. > > cmacis > > 2008/11/19 Luke Bergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> I found jboselkei recently at http://chain.lojban.org/jsk/ and have been >> doing some transl

[lojban-beginners] Re: la/le

2008-11-13 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 2:36 PM, M CHILDS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This was a very helpful explanation > > Glad to be of service. > > > -- > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 06:17:51 +1800 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org > Subject: [lojban-beginn

[lojban-beginners] Re: more le lo

2008-11-13 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Michael Turniansky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Michael Turniansky > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> le nanmu noi ny. cu tcidu > >> > > > > That is a legal utterance, but it doesn't mean what you want it to > > mean. As it is,

[lojban-beginners] Re: more le lo

2008-11-13 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Pierre Abbat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 13 November 2008 10:32:55 Luke Bergen wrote: > > coi. > > > > So, how would I express "the man(which is an actual man) reads". As in, > > what if I want the specificity of "le" but I want the "I have an actual

[lojban-beginners] Re: A priest, a rabbi and an Indian chief walk into a bar...

2008-11-12 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Michael Turniansky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Personally, I would have used broctu or brogi'a (which would be > distinct from the cohen, brori'ija'a, or soemthing along those lines), > but that's just the opinion of this Orthodox Jew. Although you do > have a po

[lojban-beginners] Re: la/le

2008-11-12 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
that was a very interesting way to explain la/le Just trying to help childs understand how articles work. On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Michael Turniansky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 7:17 AM, Jon Top Hat Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >

[lojban-beginners] Re: la/le

2008-11-12 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 10:44 PM, M CHILDS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm still having trouble understanding la and le... so for instance > > ninmu is a selbri > and le would be a sumti > > le ninmu > > and the structure of ninmu is > x1 is a woman > > so for the distinction between THE and A?

[lojban-beginners] Lojban reference in a webcomic.

2008-05-01 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
So, I've been reading a webcomic called Darths & Droids, which is immensely funny if you do P&P RPGs, and today's comic's commentary has a reference to Lojban (with a link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban), as well as Huttese , Quechua

[lojban-beginners] Re: Experimental cmavo was: du'e preti

2008-04-16 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
.uicai mi nelci zo zo'oi .i mi ca tavla lu lo gerku cu cusku zo'oi bark li'u .i mi pu tavla lu lo gerku cu cusku zoi zoi. bark .zoi As you can see, meesa very more happy. On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Jorge Llambías <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008

[lojban-beginners] Experimental cmavo was: du'e preti

2008-04-15 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 4:22 AM, Brett Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ...shorthand ways of quoting non-lojban names and words > Where could I find these cmavo? I asked about a non-lojban {zo} equivalent awhile ago but got no response. -- mu'o mi'e .topy'at. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le be

[lojban-beginners] Gmail in multiple languages....

2008-04-07 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
I just noticed a little blurb that says Gmail now allows one to edit the interface language when using it- so that, for example, "inbox" would be in Spanish, or Greek, or what-have-you. Out of curiousity, I clicked the link. Unfortunetly, Lojban is not among the listed languages. Anyone who uses Gm

[lojban-beginners] Re: Newbie help please - music lyrics

2008-04-02 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
mi nelci le do selsagvla On 4/2/08, Jon Top Hat Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 4/2/08, LakMeer Kravid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I'm sure I can make xarnunxei work :) > > Thanks. > > > Just so you know, there's an online

[lojban-beginners] Re: Newbie help please - music lyrics

2008-04-02 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
On 4/2/08, LakMeer Kravid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm sure I can make xarnunxei work :) > Thanks. Just so you know, there's an online translation resource at http://www.lojban.com/jboski/index.php that you can use to check if yuo're writing what you think you're writing. One thing, though-

[lojban-beginners] Re: "lai" in name

2008-04-02 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
On 4/1/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In a message dated 4/1/2008 05:01:28 AM Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > "re ninmu cu kelci" -> "la elaizas joi la meris kelci la cytlkak" (or > "lo selkelrcytlkaki" or maybe even "lo terda'i selkei") > > > > I see

[lojban-beginners] Re: bridi into a cmene

2008-02-08 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
On Feb 8, 2008 10:25 AM, komfo,amonan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Feb 8, 2008 10:32 AM, Jon Top Hat Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Feb 7, 2008 12:20 PM, komfo,amonan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Some tips: > > > &g

[lojban-beginners] Re: bridi into a cmene

2008-02-08 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
On Feb 7, 2008 12:20 PM, komfo,amonan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Some tips: > > On Feb 7, 2008 12:06 PM, Jon Top Hat Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > [...] > > Puerto Rico : la bloti marbi me'e lu ricfu [li'u] cu gugde > > > This

[lojban-beginners] Re: bridi into a cmene

2008-02-07 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
> > .i le jecta sutra cu sarji le zifre pe le rifgregu'e > This is what I suggest. "Puerto Rican Independence Party" is three concepts: "Puerto Rican" "Independence" and "Party". So, I would make that three names, not one, although independence and party are probably better as normal sumti valsi.

[lojban-beginners] Re: towns and countries

2008-01-11 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
On Jan 10, 2008 11:15 PM, Penguino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is that what your signature refers to? "Come to the Dot-Side"? [.u'i] > Precisely. -- mu'o mi'e .topy'at. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

[lojban-beginners] Re: towns and countries

2008-01-10 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
On Jan 8, 2008 11:54 PM, Penguino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Another thing I find to be problematic is the [la, lai, la'i, doi] > restriction. > There is a proposal, known as the Dot-Side, that addresses this restriction. The proposal is to require a [.] at the beginning of all cmene, which wou

[lojban-beginners] Re: Lojban-English full dictionary effort- request for assistance

2008-01-05 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
I do not plan on making a lujvo for every English word in existence. If it can be appropriately translated into Lojban with a gismu and possibly a se,ve,te, or xe, then obviously that it what I will do. The reason I am doing this is few-fold: 1) I believe that by doing this, the extreme amount of

[lojban-beginners] Re: Lojban-English full dictionary effort- request for assistance

2008-01-02 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
> > The help I am requesting is three-fold: > 1: Help in completing the list- 61,000+ entries to transcibe is > painstaking work, I have yet to finish all the entries in "a" and haven't > even begun the actual translation efforts. To be more precise, by the above I mean for someone to take a lett

[lojban-beginners] Lojban-English full dictionary effort- request for assistance

2008-01-02 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
I have been working on creating a full dictionary between English and Lojban, excepting place names. I'm using "Webster's New World Dictionary-Thesaurus" 2nd Edition, (c)2002 to do this. Basically, what I am doing is going through the book, and listing every entry with it's various meanings, then

[lojban-beginners] Re: nitcu le denpa lerfu fi ma

2008-01-02 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
> > > I think > > this discussion has reached an end, and certainly any more would not > belong > > on the beginner's list > > We can continue somewhere else if you want, I enjoy these discussions > and they are in fact issues that will have to be decided at some point. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > Sorr

[lojban-beginners] Re: nitcu le denpa lerfu fi ma

2008-01-02 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
On Dec 26, 2007 12:06 AM, Pierre Abbat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thus {zoi zoi. borzoi .zoi} is a valid quotation. About {zoi ly. > Lythraceae .ly.}, I'm not so sure. > {zoi zoi. borzoi .zoi} is not valid, because both the sound of {zoi} and the text {zoi} exist within the qoute. To quote "bor

[lojban-beginners] Re: '''''''''''

2007-10-25 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
I may be confusing this with Loglan, but i believe that originally the {'} was what the {,} is now, with the "h" sound being optional for those who have difficulty with pronouncing {a,o} and the like. On 10/25/07, Jared Angell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I see. > > Okay, I'm really curious: Are y

[lojban-beginners] Re: usefulness

2007-10-24 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
(Returning from Lurker Lake) I have to agree that a lack of lojbanists is a problem- I believe I would find learning the language much easier if I had someone local to learn with. Unfortunetly, none of my friends have any interest. There wouldn't happen to be anyone here that lives near Boise, ID?

[lojban-beginners] Re: My Intro...with a request for help as a bonus.

2007-10-01 Thread Jon \&quot;Top Hat\&quot; Jones
mu'o is "Over" (end speech). "Over and out" (end conversation) is fa'o. The difference between the two is that mu'o invites someone else to speak and implies that the person speaking has more to say on the subject, fa'o does neither- it means the speaker is done with the conversation. On 9/28/07,

[lojban-beginners] Onomatpoeia

2007-08-16 Thread Jon \&quot;Top Hat\&quot; Jones
Okay, I'm sure I've seen something about this before, but I can't find it, so: How are onomatopoeias handled in Lojban? For those who don't know already, I'm referring to things like "Moo", "Oink", "Bang!" and such. Is quoting the only way, as in ("The cow says 'Moo'."), or is there some other,

[lojban-beginners] le renomoi nanca nusalci pe la .lojban.

2007-07-04 Thread Jon \&quot;Top Hat\&quot; Jones
I was wondering if anyone knew where I could get the font used in the banner advertising the Anniversary. -- mu'o mi'e .topy'at. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

[lojban-beginners] Re: online e-learning

2007-06-23 Thread Jon \&quot;Top Hat\&quot; Jones
lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Selon "Jon \\Top Hat\\ Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > I think I fixed the problem > > Glad to hear that. Martin > > > > -- mu'o mi'e .topy'at. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

[lojban-beginners] Re: online e-learning

2007-06-22 Thread Jon \&quot;Top Hat\&quot; Jones
On 6/22/07, Hans Isbrücker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I use firefox without these problems. mu'o mi'e xans/e'ans On 6/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Selon "Jon \\Top Hat\\ Jones" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >

[lojban-beginners] Re: online e-learning

2007-06-21 Thread Jon \&quot;Top Hat\&quot; Jones
On 6/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Selon "Jon \\Top Hat\\ Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I've been checking it out, and I've only just started, but I noticed that > > your mp3 for vo cuts off early- I only hear the very

[lojban-beginners] Re: online e-learning

2007-06-21 Thread Jon \&quot;Top Hat\&quot; Jones
On 6/21/07, Jon Top Hat Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 6/17/07, Hans Isbrücker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Wow, it really gets somewhere :) > > mu'o mi'e xans/e'ans > > On 6/17/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >

[lojban-beginners] Re: music genres

2007-06-21 Thread Jon \&quot;Top Hat\&quot; Jones
n 6/17/07, Vid Sintef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 6/17/07, Pierre Abbat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Drum&bass" is a good choice for not using fu'ivla, but "house" is not. {zdani} includes not only human houses, but also bird nests, badger setts, > and beehives (but not bonobo nests, which

[lojban-beginners] Re: online e-learning

2007-06-21 Thread Jon \&quot;Top Hat\&quot; Jones
On 6/17/07, Hans Isbrücker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Wow, it really gets somewhere :) mu'o mi'e xans/e'ans On 6/17/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi out there, > > My e-learning site's been growing. The first course > is almost finished. Please have a look: > > http://w

[lojban-beginners] Re: nice to meet you

2007-06-20 Thread Jon \&quot;Top Hat\&quot; Jones
On 6/15/07, Karl Naylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 15/06/07, james riley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What about names? Doesn't the stress rule > > (stress last but one syllable) apply to them as > > well?? > I have seen people capitalise the syllables they want stressing in a name > whene

[lojban-beginners] Re: lojban-beginners Digest V6 #97

2007-06-20 Thread Jon \&quot;Top Hat\&quot; Jones
On 6/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Selon Jorge Llambías <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 6/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My system > > doesn't know how to play ogg files. And the information > > I find on the internet about the specific plug-ins are > > co

[lojban-beginners] Re: Not a Box (a lesson in lojban negation)

2007-06-20 Thread Jon \&quot;Top Hat\&quot; Jones
On 6/7/07, Turniansky, Michael [UNK] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Okay, from what I took away from Jorge, and three typo corrections, and a simplification of two of the pages, we now get: mu'i ma do zutse ne'i lo tanxe (bunny sitting in box) na'i go'i .i ti na tanxe (bunny sitting in racing ca

[lojban-beginners] Re: dicussions about basic vocabulary

2007-06-20 Thread Jon \&quot;Top Hat\&quot; Jones
On 5/30/07, Alex Martini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I recommend either the Windows installer, if on windows, or the one called "version 3" with python if not on Windows. This is based on my trying to run several different versions in the past, and their assorted shortcomings. If you can run the

[lojban-beginners] Re: zo'o

2007-04-28 Thread Jon \&quot;Top Hat\&quot; Jones
On 4/28/07, Timo Paulssen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: la'o gy Jon "Top Hat" Jones gy pu cusku lu > ni'o .au le ninjbopre cu zmadu lo fatci lonu ny. puba simta'a ti li'u zoi zoi ninjbopre zoi ki'a mu'o mi'e timos .i zo ninjbopre dunli

[lojban-beginners] Re: zo'o

2007-04-28 Thread Jon \&quot;Top Hat\&quot; Jones
On 4/28/07, Jorge Llambías <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 4/28/07, Jon Top Hat Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 4/27/07, Jorge Llambías <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > pe'i pei rinka ma > > > > > > .i g

[lojban-beginners] Re: zo'o

2007-04-28 Thread Jon \&quot;Top Hat\&quot; Jones
On 4/27/07, Jorge Llambías <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 4/27/07, Jon Top Hat Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > .i lonu lo gletu temci ku zasti da'i cu te > > > > rinka ma lonu lo verba ca klama ra > > > > > pe'i pei rinka ma &

[lojban-beginners] Re: Dictionary

2007-04-28 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
On 4/27/07, Pierre Abbat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Friday 27 April 2007 16:33, Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: > So, I got this giant dictionary/thesaurus with entries for most of > English, including major pronouns. It is my intention to use this to > make an explicit

[lojban-beginners] Re: Dictionary

2007-04-27 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
- I highly doubt anyone would ever use the tanru for T-Rex outside of the dictionary, but it would be a great boon to newbies to figure out what the lujvo is. On 4/27/07, Robin Lee Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, Apr 27, 2007 at 02:33:33PM -0600, Jon Top Hat Jones wrote: > S

[lojban-beginners] Dictionary

2007-04-27 Thread Jon &quot;Top Hat&quot; Jones
So, I got this giant dictionary/thesaurus with entries for most of English, including major pronouns. It is my intention to use this to make an explicit Lojban-English dic., i.e. "zo'e klama zo'e ti" for "come", and to include the Lojban word for all English words, so problems like my recent use o

[lojban-beginners] Re: zo'o

2007-04-27 Thread Jon \&quot;Top Hat\&quot; Jones
On 4/24/07, Turniansky, Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: xorxes: > On 4/24/07, Jon Top Hat Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > .i.ia do rirni du'e lo verba > mi me pa lo bi panzi .i fi mi fa lo panzi mu mei na simlu lo ka du'e mei mi me pa l

[lojban-beginners] Re: Constructive comments requested.

2007-04-24 Thread Jon \&quot;Top Hat\&quot; Jones
Aha! A fellow fan! Let us journey towards Ogre-Fen-Ogre Fen and toss pineapples at any we may see! On 4/24/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If someone would translate anything by Piers Anthony into Lojban, I would be very, very pleased. Quoting "Jon \"Top Hat\

[lojban-beginners] Re: zo'o

2007-04-24 Thread Jon \&quot;Top Hat\&quot; Jones
On 4/24/07, Jorge Llambías <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 4/24/07, Jon Top Hat Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > .i.ia do rirni du'e lo verba mi me pa lo bi panzi .i fi mi fa lo panzi mu mei na simlu lo ka du'e mei > .i lonu lo gletu temci ku zasti da'

[lojban-beginners] Re: Constructive comments requested.

2007-04-24 Thread Jon \&quot;Top Hat\&quot; Jones
I read it, and I find your approach interesting, but I doubt it's an approach that will work for me. I'm not really big on the puzzle solving thing. Someone translate a book by Piers Anthony into Lojban and I'll give your method a good try. On 4/24/07, Colin Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: S

[lojban-beginners] Re: zo'o

2007-04-24 Thread Jon \&quot;Top Hat\&quot; Jones
On 4/24/07, Turniansky, Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Xorxes: > On 4/23/07, Turniansky, Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > James Riley: > > > > > zo'o ganai do jimpe dei gi zo'onai do nitcu lenu do gletu > > > > > .i u'i > > > >mi selpanzi lo mumei > > .i ja'o la'a do su'o pa roi g

[lojban-beginners] Re: zo'o

2007-04-23 Thread Jon \&quot;Top Hat\&quot; Jones
.i lo ti cusku cu pu tordu .i mi pu pacna lenu mi cu farvi stati lonu lojbau cusku -- mu'o mi'e .topy'at. ni'o .uenai ko klama le bende be denpa bu

[lojban-beginners] Re: zo'o

2007-04-21 Thread Jon \&quot;Top Hat\&quot; Jones
zo'o ganai do jimpe dei gi zo'onai do nitcu lenu do gletu .i u'i fe'o mi'e cmacis. coi.i'a do seka'a pa lo pa lojbaugu'e goi la .lojbanistan. .i.io.zo'o ko ko gletu ki'a mu'o mi'e .topy'at. mu'o mi'e .topy'at. .i.uenai ko klama le bende be denpa bu

[lojban-beginners] Re: Please review #002

2007-04-21 Thread Jon \&quot;Top Hat\&quot; Jones
Okay, here's how I understand it: 'le' means a specific thing, which you choose to call zo'e, such as 'le cribe' for 'the specific thing I have in mind and choose to call "bear"'. You could be talking about anything that might plausibly fit the x1 of cribe, such as a real bear, toy bear, or dog n

[lojban-beginners] Re: lojbo bacru bo casnu samstuzi: first "official" test [repost]

2007-04-21 Thread Jon \&quot;Top Hat\&quot; Jones
Just testing the site, found this: (On clicking the "frames on/off " link:) Page not found (404) Request Method: GET Request URL: http://timonator.ath.cx:/switchFrames/ Using the URLconf defined in lbcs.urls, Django tried these URL patterns, in t

[lojban-beginners] Re: BAD thing w/ Parallel (Was: Now what?)

2007-04-19 Thread Jon \&quot;Top Hat\&quot; Jones
ht wrote: > > > On Wednesday 18 April 2007 23:21, Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: >> I can fix the problem with playing the sounds easily, the problem I'm >> having that I can't figure out is why it gets a fatal error when >> it tries >> to read in th

[lojban-beginners] Re: BAD thing w/ Parallel (Was: Now what?)

2007-04-19 Thread Jon \&quot;Top Hat\&quot; Jones
I am using parellel03.py downloaded straight from the tiki. On 4/18/07, Charles Duffy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: > I can fix the problem with playing the sounds easily, the problem I'm > having that I can't figure out is why it gets

[lojban-beginners] BAD thing w/ Parallel (Was: Now what?)

2007-04-18 Thread Jon \&quot;Top Hat\&quot; Jones
I can fix the problem with playing the sounds easily, the problem I'm having that I can't figure out is why it gets a fatal error when it tries to read in the 'Lojban Pronunciation.txt' file. That's what this error is all about: Traceback (most recent call last): File "parallel03.py", line 373,

[lojban-beginners] Re: Now what?

2007-04-17 Thread Jon \&quot;Top Hat\&quot; Jones
a) how to do it or (b) how to adjust the part of parellel.py that makes it wait until the sound finished. mu'o mi'e .aleks. On Apr 17, 2007, at 12:56 PM, Jon Top Hat Jones wrote: Linux version, running on Ubuntu Linux 6.10 LTS. On 4/17/07, Alex Martini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: &

[lojban-beginners] Re: Original Loglan article.

2007-04-17 Thread Jon \&quot;Top Hat\&quot; Jones
I would too, actually. Reading the article that started this all would be kinda nice. -Jon mu'o mi'e .topy'at. Come to the Dot Side! On 4/17/07, ANDREW PIEKARSKI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Does anyone have a copy of the original Loglan article published in the June 1960 Scientific American ?

[lojban-beginners] Re: Now what?

2007-04-17 Thread Jon \&quot;Top Hat\&quot; Jones
Linux version, running on Ubuntu Linux 6.10 LTS. On 4/17/07, Alex Martini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Apr 17, 2007, at 10:15 AM, Jon Top Hat Jones wrote: > [li'o] Speaking of which, I can't get Parallel to work. > > mu'o mi'e .topy'at. > > Come

[lojban-beginners] Re: Now what?

2007-04-17 Thread Jon \&quot;Top Hat\&quot; Jones
I just checked out the New Growth Lojbanists page and noticed that I'm on there as one of the 'Geeks'. NOt that I mind, I am, but I didn't know I actually rated mention! .ue.uicai Looks like I need to start devoting more time in learning- I still need a dictionary. Speaking of which, I can't g