On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 08:00:46PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Tony Bowden wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:07:01PM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote:
> > > >4.46 Nick Cleaton
> > > >4.46 Maurice Buxton
> > > Coo, I'm on 4.46 as well.
> >
> > Me four.
> >
> > Although
On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Simon Cozens wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 12:37:11AM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
> > On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Simon Cozens wrote:
> > > (Spring Cascade today at the Orange Brewery brewpub
> > > in Pimlico. Not a bad beer.)
> > I thought you were in
On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 12:37:11AM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Simon Cozens wrote:
> > (Spring Cascade today at the Orange Brewery brewpub
> > in Pimlico. Not a bad beer.)
> I thought you were in Wales...
I am. I just wasn't for most of today, h
On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Simon Cozens wrote:
> (Spring Cascade today at the Orange Brewery brewpub
> in Pimlico. Not a bad beer.)
I thought you were in Wales...
MBM
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On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:25:38AM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:48:05PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > ok it looks like PO
> > .. or the anchor!
>
> Do either do real ale?
PO has a Cask Marque and is listed in CAMRA's 2001 Good Beer Guide.
So, uh, yes.
I
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:45:23AM +0100, Aaron Trevena wrote:
> > > > proposes the creation of a Parse::Perl::Approx module :)
^^
> > >
> > > What does it do?
> >
> > It, er... parses Perl.
Strictly speaking it doesn't do anything, due to not currently existing.
>
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:30:26AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> ok, but i wouldn't worry about b. anytime soon, you have to remember
> Larry has said, he'd rather be certified than see perl certification
> (or something similar)
Bzzt. That was to do with ANSI certification.
--
"You can have m
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:33:59AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> * Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > Have you thought about charging structures, SAP charge about 300gbp to take
> > a certification exam, and they offer courses that are specifically designed
>
> i had thought about a 20
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 06:33:40PM +0100, jo walsh wrote:
>
> i'm about to upgrade state51's production server's perl and mod_perl to
> 5.6, and it occurs to me that 5.6.1 might be due out RSN.
>
> question is, will i have to rebuild modules built for 5.6 so they'll work
> with 5.6.1?
I would b
* Dean Wilson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >I think the money aspect is very important. This isn't YAS, it's supposed
> to
> >be a professional qualification for professional programmers. £300 sounds
> >like a good number for me. "If it only costs a fiver then what good can it
> >be" will be the P
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> Do you really think we'd get that lucky? No we get hit with the charge for a
> national call even though it's all in the one area code. They just divide it
> with codes for each area, so Belfast in 02890 whilst Lisburn is 02892.
>
I didn't call
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:02:43 +0100, Leon Brocard wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent the following bits through the ether:
> >
> > > Here's what I use, which probably isn't what most people would think
> > > of when they hear "XML parser"
> >
> > In
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, David H. Adler wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 11:07:28AM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
> > On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
> > >
> > > And I realise that my description yesterday was slightly inaccurate.
> > > I said it would parse Perl approximately. A better descrip
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, jo walsh wrote:
>
> i'm about to upgrade state51's production server's perl and mod_perl to
> 5.6, and it occurs to me that 5.6.1 might be due out RSN.
>
> question is, will i have to rebuild modules built for 5.6 so they'll work
> with 5.6.1?
> if i had to rebuild modules, i
>I think the money aspect is very important. This isn't YAS, it's supposed
to
>be a professional qualification for professional programmers. £300 sounds
>like a good number for me. "If it only costs a fiver then what good can it
>be" will be the PHB's attitude, I've seen this often.
The important
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 03:19:46PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
> > Wouldn't that be rather wasteful? After all, population is distributed
> > unevenly. You have some cities with lots of inhabitants, and then you have
> > rural areas with a much smaller population density. Does that mean that in
>
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Tony Bowden wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:07:01PM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote:
> > >4.46 Nick Cleaton
> > >4.46 Maurice Buxton
> > Coo, I'm on 4.46 as well.
>
> Me four.
>
> Although they seem to have lost my score.
>
> I have a nice shiny certificate though ...
>
N
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 11:07:28AM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
> >
> > And I realise that my description yesterday was slightly inaccurate.
> > I said it would parse Perl approximately. A better description would be
> > that it parses approximate Perl.
> >
jo walsh wrote:
>
> i'm about to upgrade state51's production server's perl and mod_perl to
> 5.6, and it occurs to me that 5.6.1 might be due out RSN.
>
> question is, will i have to rebuild modules built for 5.6 so they'll work
> with 5.6.1?
> if i had to rebuild modules, i'd try to justify wa
i'm about to upgrade state51's production server's perl and mod_perl to
5.6, and it occurs to me that 5.6.1 might be due out RSN.
question is, will i have to rebuild modules built for 5.6 so they'll work
with 5.6.1?
if i had to rebuild modules, i'd try to justify waiting, if the wait for
5.6.1's
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Robin Szemeti wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, you wrote:
> > Yes. Either you have to translate "randomkanji" to "bq--buffy"[2] in your
> > head or with an appropriate tool, or nslookup will have to be smart
> > enough[1] to translate "randomkanji" to "bq--buffy" before asking th
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:02:43 +0100, Leon Brocard wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent the following bits through the ether:
>
> > Here's what I use, which probably isn't what most people would think
> > of when they hear "XML parser"
>
> Indeed. This is because it doesn't parse XML.
Alright then, go
At 04:42 AM 29.3.2001 -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
>> O'Reilly wil like it cos they get to sell 'Perl For PCSE(stage 1)'
>> etc ..
>
>Ooh. I think you've just given me an idea for my next book :)
"Gary Numan's guide to the PCSE"...
;)
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] sent the following bits through the ether:
> Here's what I use, which probably isn't what most people would think
> of when they hear "XML parser"
Indeed. This is because it doesn't parse XML.
Leon
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On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 00:37:38 -0800, Nathan Torkington wrote:
> Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > sure it makes sense, but it still is CiP and trust me this isn't
> > the only bit of CiP in here and much kudos to Paul for it ;-)
>
> I'm unsure what CiP is, but if it has anything to do with gnarliness,
> I
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, you wrote:
> Yes. Either you have to translate "randomkanji" to "bq--buffy"[2] in your
> head or with an appropriate tool, or nslookup will have to be smart
> enough[1] to translate "randomkanji" to "bq--buffy" before asking the
> resolver library.
err [1] unlikely to happen
> > when did CPAN get a funky new logo ...
> >
> > http://www.cpan.org/misc/jpg/cpan.jpg
> >
>
> H
Indeedy. A logo that on its own gives you no idea that it has anything to do
with Perl. I especially like the use of a completely new font, rather than
the one used on O'Reilly books.
H
At 10:16 AM 29.3.2001 -0500, I wrote:
>We don't really get involved in the certification game, but rather
>provide software that allows companies doing such certifications to
>assess candidates. (Likewise, we provide software to temp agencies for
>similar but non-cert-related reasons.)
Oops,
On 29/03/2001 at 16:12 +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
>when did CPAN get a funky new logo ...
>
>http://www.cpan.org/misc/jpg/cpan.jpg
When all the #perl regulars got TiPBs [0] and got infected by the Make
Things Look Nice (Macintosh Sub Version) meme?
[0] TiPB =is= a Titanium Powerbook and writin
At 12:20 PM 29.3.2001 +0100, Simon Wilcox wrote:
>>If we can get the 'professional' stamp by sticking names like O'Reilly
>>(Or Microsoft - why not?) on the certificates, and then charge less, I
>>think that would be better. But if not, then I agree a charge (maybe
>>more 50 than 300?!) can have
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
>
> when did CPAN get a funky new logo ...
>
> http://www.cpan.org/misc/jpg/cpan.jpg
>
H
/J\
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, you wrote:
>
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:19:15AM +0100, James Powell wrote:
>
> > And MySQL has got full-text indexing now - didn't notice that one
> >
> > http://www.mysql.com/news/article-54.html
> > "MySQL 3.23 now has full-text indexing and searching capabilities. This
when did CPAN get a funky new logo ...
http://www.cpan.org/misc/jpg/cpan.jpg
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On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:26:46PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
> Chris Benson wrote:
> > () -
>
> Wouldn't that be rather wasteful? After all, population is distributed
What are you wasting? Numbers? What is the cost of extra numbers?
Some people in small places have to type
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 02:46:48PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:23:12AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
> > Roger Burton West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> You show me a DNS server which supports kanji :-)
>
> This is a big bugbear of mine. Yes, you can register d
Piers Cawley [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
*>
*>If we can get the standard for competency accepted as a National
*>Standard (will take a while), then any training that's based on those
*>standard will attract government funding for the trainees. Which would
*>be nice.
Skud had a perl-cert mailing li
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 11:32:57AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
> Robin Houston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > No partial failure allowed, it has to either succeed completely
> > or fail completely.
>
> Hmm... not quite sure what happens if either of the COMMITs fail. And
> I'd bemused as to how
Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Philip Newton wrote:
> > Unless you translate them to an acceptable set, which is, I
> > believe, where domain i18n is heading. The question is in
> > which algorithm to choose for translation.
>
> Right. Which is evil and horrid.
>
> nslookup
Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> When asked what wine someone wanted, they replied `ABC'. When
> the recipient of this response said, quite naturally - `What?',
> he first person replied - `Anything But Chardonnay'.
>
> Now if this isn't justification to beat someone to death
> with
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:26:46PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
> Chris Benson wrote:
> > The people in uk.telecom were suggesting a one-off-this-will-hurt-but-
> > it'll-only-happen-once change where the entire country moved to
> > () -
> > format
>
> Wouldn't that be rather was
"Jonathan Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I think the money aspect is very important. This isn't YAS,
> > it's supposed to
> > be a professional qualification for professional programmers.
> > £300 sounds
> > like a good number for me. "If it only costs a fiver then
> > what good can it
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Philip Newton wrote:
> Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
> > the host (according to RFC1123) must match
> > /^([a-z0-9]+)((.[a-z0-9-]+)*(.[a-z0-9]+))?$/i
> > which doesn't really give you support for hostnames in those many
> > characters.
> Unless you translate them to an acceptabl
Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
> the host (according to RFC1123) must match
>
> /^([a-z0-9]+)((.[a-z0-9-]+)*(.[a-z0-9]+))?$/i
>
> which doesn't really give you support for hostnames in those many
> characters.
Unless you translate them to an acceptable set, which is, I believe, where
domain i18n i
David Cantrell wrote:
> You show me a DNS server which supports kanji :-)
Well, if RACE is the encoding that finally gets chosen, all of them do -- it
maps all of Unicode to [a-z2-7-]+ or something like that.
> This is a big bugbear of mine. Yes, you can register domains
> in all these weird s
* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:30:26AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
>
> > ok, but i wouldn't worry about b. anytime soon, you have to remember
> > Larry has said, he'd rather be certified than see perl certification
> > (or something similar)
>
> It woul
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, David Cantrell wrote:
> You show me a DNS server which supports kanji :-)
Although the format for domain names is 8-bit, and they do support 8-bit,
the host (according to RFC1123) must match
/^([a-z0-9]+)((.[a-z0-9-]+)*(.[a-z0-9]+))?$/i
which doesn't really give you support
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:30:26AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> ok, but i wouldn't worry about b. anytime soon, you have to remember
> Larry has said, he'd rather be certified than see perl certification
> (or something similar)
It would be nice to get his backing, but I think that to do that
Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
> Given we can now have kanji URLs, [...]
Can we now? I thought there were several different proposed schemes, but
none has been officially accepted as standard.
Cheers,
Philip
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All opinions are my own, not my employer's.
If you're not
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:23:12AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
> Roger Burton West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:04:05PM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote:
> >
> > >Anyway, the whole 'numbers' thing is long over due to be replaced by
> > >those new fangled 'letters'. W
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 10:19:15AM +0100, James Powell wrote:
> And MySQL has got full-text indexing now - didn't notice that one
>
> http://www.mysql.com/news/article-54.html
> "MySQL 3.23 now has full-text indexing and searching capabilities. This
> allows you to search your vast databases of
On 29/03/2001 at 14:14 +0100, Natalie Ford wrote:
>At 11:27 29/03/01, Greg McCarroll wrote:
>>the one -ive point is that foods expensive there, if it had the
>>cheap food of PO it would be ideal - or even some decent pub
>>food (hot pies etc.)
>
>I haven't been to the Anchor but cheeep foood goood
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:17:17 +0100 (BST), Mark Fowler wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
>
> > You're right, the referencing is a bit screwed up. I'll take a look at
> > it today.
Actually, that message was OK.
> Your webmail CC is screwed up too. On my mails there's now new line
From: "Natalie Ford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> At 11:27 29/03/01, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> >the one -ive point is that foods expensive there, if it had the
> >cheap food of PO it would be ideal - or even some decent pub
> >food (hot pies etc.)
>
> I haven't been to the Anchor but cheeep foood goood!
>
At 11:27 29/03/01, Greg McCarroll wrote:
>the one -ive point is that foods expensive there, if it had the
>cheap food of PO it would be ideal - or even some decent pub
>food (hot pies etc.)
I haven't been to the Anchor but cheeep foood goood!
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 02:05:22PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
>Both do. The Anchor does better real ale :-)
Though both have been known to run out early in the evening and leave
nothing worth drinking except Guinness.
R
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:25:38AM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote:
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:48:05PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > ok it looks like PO
> > .. or the anchor!
>
> Do either do real ale?
Both do. The Anchor does better real ale :-)
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David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTEC
At 09:55 29/03/01, Dave Cross wrote:
>At Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:51:46 +0100 (BST), alex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > i am a little unclear what the benefits of this exercise might be
> > without a brand or larger player backing it up. if we could hook up
> > with someone like learning tree (eg
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 12:07:01PM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote:
> >4.46 Nick Cleaton
> >4.46 Maurice Buxton
> Coo, I'm on 4.46 as well.
Me four.
Although they seem to have lost my score.
I have a nice shiny certificate though ...
Tony
--
--
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:47:03PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> I'd advise getting some non-trainers involved as well, perhaps
> Blackstar and other Perl businesses? (their hook will be that
> they become partners and get logo placement in whatever pseudo
> forum/organisation does this)
Somehow
JS, has yet again set up another mailing list for us ...
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
its a majordomo so its:
subscribe perl-cert
in the body of the text to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
kudos again to JS for this,
greg
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Philip Newton wrote:
>
> Greg Cope wrote:
> > I once read a report (18 months ago) where the same projects
> > where given to lots of programmers, the usualy results were
> > show i.e algorythm design was the most important factor,
> > although on the whole scripting langauges were faster to
> >
This is the tenth of hopefully many weekly summaries of the Earth, UK,
London, Perl Mongers mailing list. For the week starting 2001-03-26:
Don't forget the London.pm website for meetings etc. The next social
meeting is on Thursday 5th April and will be at the Anchor on
Bankside. The next technic
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 10:44:13PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 10:22:37PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
> > There _was_ a Perl certification mailing list that Skud started a while
> > back.
>
> Unless we're thinking of different things, wasn't that just perl-trainers?
I can
sure - wasn't suggesting any back-room dealings - just that it will be
more expedient to discuss these face to face and bounce ideas around (and
i also suspect that this is a subject of interest to the minority of the
list).
alex
>
> however remember that all committee sessions should be pub
* alex ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> ok - fine. if there is a precedent fo YAS-type entities to operate
> non-virtually (ie with offices, staff, advertising, real costs etc) then
i think thats more than we will need, but lets discuss it once we
have any certification mechanism in place
> this
* alex ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> btw, should all of this certification body stuff subsumed by a YAS called
> "Perl for Business" with the aim of convincing corporates that Perl
> is better technology investment than Java (and achieving this, in part,
> by building Perl components wherever Ja
btw, should all of this certification body stuff subsumed by a YAS called
"Perl for Business" with the aim of convincing corporates that Perl
is better technology investment than Java (and achieving this, in part,
by building Perl components wherever Java currently has an edge).
does such a YAS
ok - fine. if there is a precedent fo YAS-type entities to operate
non-virtually (ie with offices, staff, advertising, real costs etc) then
this is less of a problem than i thought. we can discuss these funding
mechanics (which i think are of vital importance actually) offlist in a
committee sess
* alex ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> >
> > I'd like to think i'm a reasonably good business person as well
> > as engineer, i don't think we will have a problem with this sort
> > of expertise.
> >
>
> I do not question the amount of business expertise available to this
> committee. I questio
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Roger Burton West wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 05:44:04AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
>
> >4.46 Nick Cleaton
>
> Ought to be on here, ask Gellyfish...
>
He heh
Look what they say I got :
Total Tests Completed 41233
Your Rank (1 = top) 40653
Your Percentile (99 = top): 1
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 11:32:57AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
>
> Hmm... not quite sure what happens if either of the COMMITs fail.
That's exactly the problem. And what if you crash after the
first COMMIT?
This is not an easy problem. The usual solution is
called "two-phase commit". See
http://
>
> I'd like to think i'm a reasonably good business person as well
> as engineer, i don't think we will have a problem with this sort
> of expertise.
>
I do not question the amount of business expertise available to this
committee. I question the capability of a YAS-type entity to operate
wit
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> At Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:07:28 +0100 (BST), Jonathan Stowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
> > >
> > > And I realise that my description yesterday was slightly inaccurate.
> > > I said it would parse Perl approximately.
* alex ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> very interesting proposal.
>
> a) would like to be part of the committee (coming from the Perl employer
> and selling Perl consultancy perspective)
>
Sounds great, i'm about to publish the details of the mailing list,
join and nominate yourself there.
>
At Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:07:28 +0100 (BST), Jonathan Stowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
> >
> > And I realise that my description yesterday was slightly inaccurate.
> > I said it would parse Perl approximately. A better description
> > would be that it parses
you hit the nail on the head.
> >
> I think the money aspect is very important. This isn't YAS, it's supposed to
> be a professional qualification for professional programmers. £300 sounds
> like a good number for me. "If it only costs a fiver then what good can it
> be" will be the PHB's attitu
Roger Burton West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:04:05PM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote:
>
> >Anyway, the whole 'numbers' thing is long over due to be replaced by
> >those new fangled 'letters'. Works for DNS...
>
> Oh @deity, let's not do that. Consider the mess the WIPO
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, you wrote:
> it'd be a big help for those trying to follow the
> conversation(s) if they could be differentiated by their subject lines!
have you no sense of tradition ?? we've always done it this way :) .. we
learnt the techniques on alt.sysadmin.recovery ...
> Go on, pleas
At 11:56 29/03/2001 +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
> > I think the money aspect is very important. This isn't YAS,
> > it's supposed to
> > be a professional qualification for professional programmers.
> > £300 sounds
> > like a good number for me. "If it only costs a fiver then
> > what good can
very interesting proposal.
a) would like to be part of the committee (coming from the Perl employer
and selling Perl consultancy perspective)
b) i still have grave reservations about the effectiveness of an
organisation outside open source communities if it is 100%
non-commercial. i haven't se
On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, you wrote:
> * Robin Szemeti ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >
> > IMHO to be of any use certification needs to be HUGE .. eg we need
> > O'Reilly AND Manning behind it or it simply won't fly. We could write a
>
> i think this will end up a slow process
umm .. so long as y
On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 05:44:04AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
>4.46 Nick Cleaton
Ought to be on here, ask Gellyfish...
>4.46 Maurice Buxton
Coo, I'm on 4.46 as well.
Roger
On 29/03/2001 at 11:56 +0100, Philip Newton wrote:
>Try doing Java in Lynx. Or Mosaic. Is there even a plugin for Netscape <
>3.0?
Netscape 2 had Java built in, around the turn of 95/96. HotJava was
also about but that (understandably) died around the same time. I
*think* IE3 also did Java, abou
> I think the money aspect is very important. This isn't YAS,
> it's supposed to
> be a professional qualification for professional programmers.
> £300 sounds
> like a good number for me. "If it only costs a fiver then
> what good can it
> be" will be the PHB's attitude, I've seen this often.
Yes
>
> I think the only way of making this feasible, then, is to distribute it
> across any company willing to participate. All it needs is for a company
to
> set a meeting room aside for a day, and provide a volunteer to administer
> the test. We should be able to get corporates to do this in exchan
Paul Makepeace wrote:
> Can you trivially embed a perl network application in a browser?
[snip]
> Java's favour is not *entirely* due to massive marketing pimpery.
Java support in browsers didn't magically come because Microsoft and
Netscape said "Hey, let's develop a Java plug-in for our browser
Greg Cope wrote:
> I once read a report (18 months ago) where the same projects
> where given to lots of programmers, the usualy results were
> show i.e algorythm design was the most important factor,
> although on the whole scripting langauges were faster to
> develope in, and had faster execuio
* Andrew Bowman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Just now there are two interesting discussions going on, one about Perl
> certification, the other about databases, under the subject 'Re: Job: I'm
> looking for one..", both of which forked off from the original discussion a
> long while back.
i've al
At 29 Mar 2001 11:43:59 +0100, Piers Cawley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dave Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > > >http://www.tekmetrics.com/ aka brainbench seems to still be going
> > >strong.
> >
> > And last time I looked, they claimed I was the best Perl programmer
> > in London. Don't
Attached is a draft proposal
As soon as JS gets a chance to set up the mailing list, i suggest
me move the discussion there.
--
Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Title: Proposal for the formation of a non-profit Perl certification body for the United Kin
Just now there are two interesting discussions going on, one about Perl
certification, the other about databases, under the subject 'Re: Job: I'm
looking for one..", both of which forked off from the original discussion a
long while back.
Can one or preferably both sets of participants please cha
* alex ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> sorry, was unclear. robert proposed a meta-certification body which then
> gave the tests out to certifiers (netthink, iterative etc). this seems to
> me to be far too complicated and fragmented.
i think it was me that suggested this
>
> i think you need a
Dave Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> At 21:24 28/03/2001, you wrote:
> >On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 02:58:36PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > > Also i think the lack of Perl certification, is one of the biggest
> > > problems with Perl work in london,
> >
> >Are employers there too stupid to re
At Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:27:17 +0100, Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >
> > PS - Since when have messers McCarroll & Cantrell been little
> > people :)
>
> I don't know but it implies Cross has put on a hell of a lot of
> weight since i las
> sorry, was unclear. robert proposed a meta-certification body
> which then
> gave the tests out to certifiers (netthink, iterative etc).
> this seems to
> me to be far too complicated and fragmented.
There are three main roles to this as I see it, and it's not obvious to me
that they should all
Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> * Matthew Byng-Maddick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > > * Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:47:03PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > > > > I suggest (with Dave Cros
Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> * Piers Cawley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >
> > Hmm... Given that big business seems to have bought some of the ideas
> > of 'Just In Time' stock holding and delivery type stuff, maybe the
> > time has come to start pushing Perl and open source prog
Greg Cope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Robin Szemeti wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, you wrote:
> > > On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 01:23:01PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I concur. There is simply too much of the important stuff missing from
> > > > Java to make it useable for we
Chris Devers wrote:
> Work in some kind of good
> pervasive naming scheme and the underlying numbers can get
> arbitrarily complex without bothering anyone.
Maybe. I'm told that was Tim Berners-Lee's plan for hypertext -- that
hyperlinks would be clickable or something like that and that nobod
Robin Houston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 08:08:00PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
> > On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote:
> > > Can Perl do distributed database transactions?
> >
> > probably .. simple multi threaded app, fork a few child processes,
> > establish
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