* Matthew Byng-Maddick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> Hey Nat, keep up the rants, they're great reading. :)
>
could someone forward me the response it got lost in the
middle of my BT/ADSL problems last night
--
Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Hi,
due to some BT/ADSL fun and games last night i managed to bounce
almost every message that was directed to me, so if you mailed me
about something important please resend it.
Cheers,
Greg
--
Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
At 17:20 16/05/2001, Dean wrote:
>On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 05:08:17PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
>
> > http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/uk/auction/51586918
>
>"The economy took another downturn today as the few remaining London
>based dot-coms utilized the last of their ever diminishing budgets in
>
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 10:06:22PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> And just to complete my final blasphemy, Visual Basic, may have
> a shit language behind it, it may have performance problems,
> it may be very limited and may force you to implement the guts
> as of any serious program you write a
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 04:48:41PM -0600, Nathan Torkington wrote:
[VB]
> It's a wonderful fantasy, but the only type of problem I solve that
> could fit that approach are those tedious CGI+database CRUD things.
> Everything else requires original thought and invention, and I'll chew
> my left nut
Greg McCarroll writes:
> I don't think Perl 6 can be a tremendous leap forward, not because
> of RFC's along the lines of `Perl must stay Perl', but because
> the next leap forward is VisualPerl which will be as much about
> IDE as core language. Now lets not get hung up on the IDE bit
> of that s
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 10:06:22PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> of RFC's along the lines of `Perl must stay Perl', but because
> the next leap forward is VisualPerl which will be as much about
> IDE as core language. Now lets not get hung up on the IDE bit
> of that statement
So, let me get thi
* Leon Brocard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Coo, coo, see the fabled perl6, remark how it looks just like perl5,
> wonder if anything's different and if there's a point to all this ;-)
Blasphemy ahead ..
I don't think Perl 6 can be a tremendous leap forward, not because
of RFC's along th
On Wed, 16 May 2001, Aaron Trevena wrote:
> Anyone know much about how the GIMP script -fu stuff
> works on the inside,
http://people.delphi.com/gjc/siod.html
AIUI all that the gimp crew have done is to write an extension to SIOD
in C to give access to the Gimp API. No doubt you could do the sa
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 01:53:27PM -0600, Nathan Torkington wrote:
> Leon Brocard writes:
> > Coo, coo, see the fabled perl6, remark how it looks just like perl5,
> > wonder if anything's different and if there's a point to all this ;-)
>
> Jihad on Leon, anyone? :-)
>
> perl6 is supposed to loo
Leon Brocard writes:
> Coo, coo, see the fabled perl6, remark how it looks just like perl5,
> wonder if anything's different and if there's a point to all this ;-)
Jihad on Leon, anyone? :-)
perl6 is supposed to look a lot like perl5. If it didn't, we'd call
it Python or something like that. T
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 03:22:38PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
> On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 02:41:58PM +0100, James Powell wrote:
> > > You've hit the fundamental problem with XP. Getting anything done
> > > requires two programmers to agree on something; this, as everyone
> > > knows, is impossible.
*grump*
There is a python plugin to Gnome Dia allowing you to write scripts for
dia. I don't know if it is like GIMPS scripting or more of a macro type
thing but its a little disapointing there isn't a perl one.
Dia 0.88 has an experiemental pyhton plugin capability. I would be
interested in fi
Coo, coo, see the fabled perl6, remark how it looks just like perl5,
wonder if anything's different and if there's a point to all this ;-)
- Forwarded message from Nathan Torkington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -
From: Nathan Torkington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Damian Conway's Exegesis 2
To:
> Exegesis unimatrix-1:
>
>print "Hello, World!\n"
>
> RFC28 hard at work here!
Great minds thinking in parallel there, Marcel.
My first draft of Ex2 started like this:
Here's the very first Perl 6 program ever written:
#! /usr/local/bin/perl6 --wa
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 11:15:52AM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
> On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 10:59:07AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
> > I do keep intending to do something cute with my ISDN adapter and log the
> > stuff coming out of the D channel and see whats in there ... but time has
> > prevent
At 12:31 16/05/01 -0400, you wrote:
>On Wed, 16 May 2001, Robin Szemeti wrote:
>
> >
> > http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/uk/auction/51586918
> >
The seller seems to do quite a trade in signed photos. The last SMG one:
"Sultry Buffy Vampire Slayer SARAH MICHELLE GELLAR Signed 8x10 Photo With
COA
From: Chris Devers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 3:52 PM
> At 03:22 PM 2001.05.16 +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
> >That's not argument, it's just contradiction!
>
> Ahh, you must be looking for a different forum then.
>
> Try Castro's site. ;)
"Sorry, this is 'senseless abuse
On Wed, 16 May 2001, Robin Szemeti wrote:
>
> http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/uk/auction/51586918
>
Tempting very tempting.
I bet the price goes up quite quickly now
Andy
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 05:08:17PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
> http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/uk/auction/51586918
"The economy took another downturn today as the few remaining London
based dot-coms utilized the last of their ever diminishing budgets in
an attempt to procure an item that would
http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/uk/auction/51586918
--
Robin Szemeti
Redpoint Consulting Limited
Real Solutions For A Virtual World
Robert Shiels wrote:
> > Leon
> >
> > ... 640K ought to be enough for anybody
> >
> ...is that dollars or pounds...
Turkish lire?
Cheers,
Philip
--
Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
All opinions are my own, not my employer's.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
At 16:39 16/05/01 +0100, you wrote:
>does anyone happen to know if you can discover the asset number of a Dell
>poweredge swerver remotely? apparenlty its 'in the bios' .. how useful.
It should also be on a silvery sticker on the back of the machine somewhere
with the barcodes. You could try ask
does anyone happen to know if you can discover the asset number of a Dell
poweredge swerver remotely? apparenlty its 'in the bios' .. how useful.
[ I need to order a part .. Dell needs an asset tag number .. the swerver
is in mailbox .. I'm 200 miles away .. ]
--
Robin Szemeti
Redpoint Consult
[snip]
> Leon
> --
> Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/
> Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/
>
> ... 640K ought to be enough for anybody
>
...is that dollars or pounds...
/Robert
Simon Cozens sent the following bits through the ether:
> On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 02:41:58PM +0100, James Powell wrote:
> > No it isn't!
>
> That's not argument, it's just contradiction!
Arguments are down the hall.
Leon
--
Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/
Iterat
At 03:22 PM 2001.05.16 +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
>That's not argument, it's just contradiction!
Ahh, you must be looking for a different forum then.
Try Castro's site. ;)
--
Chris Devers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 04:31:18PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
> Simon Cozens wrote:
> > That's not argument, it's just contradiction!
> I'm sorry; I'm not allowed to argue with you unless you've paid.
Ah, you going into consulting as well, eh?
--
"The elder gods went to Suggoth and all
Simon Cozens wrote:
> That's not argument, it's just contradiction!
I'm sorry; I'm not allowed to argue with you unless you've paid.
Cheers,
Philip
--
Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
All opinions are my own, not my employer's.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate
* at 16/05 15:22 +0100 Simon Cozens said:
> On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 02:41:58PM +0100, James Powell wrote:
> > > You've hit the fundamental problem with XP. Getting anything done
> > > requires two programmers to agree on something; this, as everyone
> > > knows, is impossible.
> >
> > No it isn't
On Wed, 16 May 2001, Steve Mynott wrote:
> "Jonathan Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > I think some of the people who use this list have used Transtec's Sparc
> > clone machines. My question is:
sure I can't tempt you with a tadpole?
http://www.tadpole.com/cycle/index.htm
the laptop
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 02:41:58PM +0100, James Powell wrote:
> > You've hit the fundamental problem with XP. Getting anything done
> > requires two programmers to agree on something; this, as everyone
> > knows, is impossible.
>
> No it isn't!
That's not argument, it's just contradiction!
--
On Wed, 16 May 2001, James Powell wrote:
> On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 02:27:19PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
> > You've hit the fundamental problem with XP. Getting anything done requires
> > two programmers to agree on something; this, as everyone knows, is impossible.
>
> No it isn't!
You're
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 02:27:19PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
> On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 02:08:40PM +0100, Robert Thompson wrote:
> > Having two people look at/develop a piece of code is better than one.
> > Therefore having three people must be even better.
> > But why stop there - why not four, f
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 02:08:40PM +0100, Robert Thompson wrote:
> Having two people look at/develop a piece of code is better than one.
> Therefore having three people must be even better.
> But why stop there - why not four, five, six . . .
> Better yet - design/develop by committee!
You've hit
From: "Matthew Byng-Maddick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Wed, 16 May 2001, Barbie wrote:
> > sysadmin, being the shortsighted Solaris guru that he claims he is, has
> > deemed outgoing and ingoing ports that aren't for HTTP, FTP be blocked
:(
>
> dare I enquire how you sent this mail, then?
>
> :)
Steve Mynott wrote:
> I have heard of people using the D channel signalling to communicate
> for free.
I've also heard of phone companies cursing such users and trying to ban
programs that support that.
At least in Germany, there was a program (or several?) that took advantage
of the fact that w
> From: Robin Houston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
> Do you think it's possible to take XP too far?
> *Too* extreme?
>
Sure it is.
Having two people look at/develop a piece of code is better than one.
Therefore having three people must be even better.
But why stop there - why not four, five
Matthew Byng-Maddick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Wed, 16 May 2001, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
> > On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 10:59:07AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
> > > I do keep intending to do something cute with my ISDN adapter and log the
> > > stuff coming out of the D channel and see whats
"Jonathan Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I think some of the people who use this list have used Transtec's Sparc
> clone machines. My question is:
>
> 1. Are they any good
Yes
> 2. Are they _really_ identical to Sparcs at the OS level, or do you need
> funky drivers and non-standard
On Wed, 16 May 2001, Barbie wrote:
> sysadmin, being the shortsighted Solaris guru that he claims he is, has
> deemed outgoing and ingoing ports that aren't for HTTP, FTP be blocked :(
dare I enquire how you sent this mail, then?
:)
MBM
--
Matthew Byng-Maddick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> +44
From: "Robin Houston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Thanks, babelfish.
try www.freetranslation.com. Unfortunately I can't try it from here as our
sysadmin, being the shortsighted Solaris guru that he claims he is, has
deemed outgoing and ingoing ports that aren't for HTTP, FTP be blocked :(
Barbie.
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 02:37:25PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
> "Felix: How extreme! But good..."
>
> Extreme indeed... but it *does* satisfy the test cases they've written so
> far, and it contains no unnecessary flexibility ;)
Do you think it's possible to take XP too far?
*Too* extreme?
.r
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 02:37:25PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
> > Well it isn't English, but it's *almost* comprehensible...
> Sounds a bit like dadadodo, only it makes more sense :)
Which does? :)
--
"Irrigation of the land with seawater desalinated by fusion power is ancient.
It's called 'ra
From: "Dean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 01:19:36PM +0100, Robin Houston wrote:
> > > Thanks very much. It's one of my favourite jokes. It was trialed at a
> > > london.pm technical meeting some months ago :)
>
> > What's the footnote on page 78, Dave?
>
> And is this a subscr
On Wed, 16 May 2001, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
> On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 10:59:07AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
> > I do keep intending to do something cute with my ISDN adapter and log the
> > stuff coming out of the D channel and see whats in there ... but time has
> > prevented it etc.
>
> I'd b
On or about Wed, May 16, 2001 at 01:26:07PM +0100, Robin Houston typed:
> One XP day passes fast, since you programmed all day long long
> exerted with your colleagues. That means it not that you look your
> partner with the work over the shoulder. In the opposite. To be in the
> pair to program
Robin Houston wrote:
> Well it isn't English, but it's *almost* comprehensible...
Sounds a bit like dadadodo, only it makes more sense :)
I like the section "Keep the design as simple as possible":
"The design strategy implies starting with a simple design and continually
improving it. In fact,
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 01:19:36PM +0100, Robin Houston wrote:
> What's the footnote on page 78, Dave?
IAND, but... "I like the fact that the new name includes the word "Symbol",
since it means that we can also call it
The::Module::Formerly::Known::as::Sub::Approx.
--
"It's God. No, not Richar
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 01:22:52PM +0100, Dean wrote:
> And is this a subscribers copy or one found "in the wild"?
My copy turned up this morning, so presumably a subscribers copy.
--
David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/
Rip, Mix, Burn, unless you're using
Robert Thompson wrote:
> > > I've had a look at the relevant rfc's.
> >
> > Which ones? RFC 2616 (HTTP/1.1) mentions "gzip" not "x-gzip"
> > under "3.5 Content Codings" and "3.6 Transfer Codings".
>
> I was looking at RFC's 2045 & 2046 which relate directly to
> MIME.
Ah, well: Multipurpose I
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 12:41:18PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
> (or trust Babelfish),
One XP day passes fast, since you programmed all day long long
exerted with your colleagues. That means it not that you look your
partner with the work over the shoulder. In the opposite. To be in the
pair
> From: Philip Newton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> At a guess: "Content-Encoding: gzip" instead.
Yep that worked,
thanks
Rob
-
I must memorise rfc's
I must memorise rfc's
I must memorise rfc's
---
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 01:19:36PM +0100, Robin Houston wrote:
> > Thanks very much. It's one of my favourite jokes. It was trialed at a
> > london.pm technical meeting some months ago :)
> What's the footnote on page 78, Dave?
And is this a subscribers copy or one found "in the wild"?
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 01:19:36PM +0100, Robin Houston wrote:
> On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 10:05:25AM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
> > > Loved the footnote on page 78.
> >
> > Thanks very much. It's one of my favourite jokes. It was trialed at a
> > london.pm technical meeting some months ago
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 10:05:25AM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
> > Loved the footnote on page 78.
>
> Thanks very much. It's one of my favourite jokes. It was trialed at a
> london.pm technical meeting some months ago :)
What's the footnote on page 78, Dave?
.robin.
--
A man, a plan,
> From: Philip Newton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
> At a guess: "Content-Encoding: gzip" instead.
Thanks, I'll give that a try.
> > I've had a look at the relevant rfc's.
>
> Which ones? RFC 2616 (HTTP/1.1) mentions "gzip" not "x-gzip"
> under "3.5
> Content Codings" and "3.6 Transfer Co
Robert Thompson wrote:
> print "Content-Type: application/octet-stream\n";
> print "Content-Transfer-Encoding: x-gzip\n\n";
At a guess: "Content-Encoding: gzip" instead.
> I've had a look at the relevant rfc's.
Which ones? RFC 2616 (HTTP/1.1) mentions "gzip" not "x-gzip" under "3.5
Content Codi
* Steve Mynott ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 08:59:32PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
> > > On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 05:43:52PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > nokia 9210
> > > >
> > > > Which is still, AFAIK, uno
Seen in news:de.alt.sysadmin.recovery :
http://www.frankwestphal.de/XPueberdieSchultergeschaut.html
The poster thought it was satire; I'm not so sure. Anyway, if you understand
German (or trust Babelfish), have a look at it.
Enjoy!
Cheers,
Philip
--
Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
All opini
I think some of the people who use this list have used Transtec's Sparc
clone machines. My question is:
1. Are they any good
2. Are they _really_ identical to Sparcs at the OS level, or do you need
funky drivers and non-standard BIOS / PROM settings in Solaris to work it?
I just love that 1
On Wed, 16 May 2001, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
> On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 10:59:07AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
> > I do keep intending to do something cute with my ISDN adapter and log the
> > stuff coming out of the D channel and see whats in there ... but time has
> > prevented it etc.
> I'd be i
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 10:59:07AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
> I do keep intending to do something cute with my ISDN adapter and log the
> stuff coming out of the D channel and see whats in there ... but time has
> prevented it etc.
I'd be interested to hear how you get on... I was under the im
On Wed, 16 May 2001, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
> At 21:08 15/05/01 +0100, you wrote:
>
> >They already offer it.
> >You can bar up to ten numbers (IIRC). I don't know how it deals
> >with withheld numbers. Never checked.
>
> I'm sure I remember reading somewhere that you always send your CID when
"Jonathan Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > I'm sure I remember reading somewhere that you always send your CID when
> > you make a phone call. If you choose to withhold the ID, it still gets
> > sent, it just gets sent with a 'do not disclose' flag set, which all (BT
> > approved)
From: Barbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 9:29 AM
> Dave,
>
> Loved the footnote on page 78.
Thanks very much. It's one of my favourite jokes. It was trialed at a
london.pm technical meeting some months ago :)
Dave...
--
The information contained in this communication
Dave,
Loved the footnote on page 78.
Barbie.
On Wednesday, May 16, 2001, at 10:47 AM, Dean wrote:
> Some interesting stuff:
> http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/05/08/exegesis2.html
Exegesis unimatrix-1:
print "Hello, World!\n"
RFC28 hard at work here!
Marcel
--
$x**$n + $y**$n = $z**$n is insoluble if $n > 2;
I have discovered a tr
"Jonathan Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I'm sure I remember reading somewhere that you always send your CID when
> you make a phone call. If you choose to withhold the ID, it still gets
> sent, it just gets sent with a 'do not disclose' flag set, which all (BT
> approved) phones and
Some interesting stuff:
http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/05/08/exegesis2.html
I like the fact that hash's and arrays are going to use their own symbols
for stuff like slices, should make explaining things a lot easier in the
future!
Dean
--
But then the serpent of OO entered the garden, and
David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 08:59:32PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
> > On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 05:43:52PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
> > >
> > > > nokia 9210
> > >
> > > Which is still, AFAIK, unobtainium.
> >
> > I know someone who knows someone who ha
Jonathan Peterson wrote:
> Probably all you people who program for a living think this is
> [crap/obvious/can be done in 3 bytes] but I liked it:
>
> $|++; print qw(\ | / -)[$i%4]."\r"; $|--;
>
> Put a spinning progress thing in your loops...
Hm, if you knew autoflushing was turned off before
At 21:08 15/05/01 +0100, you wrote:
>They already offer it.
>You can bar up to ten numbers (IIRC). I don't know how it deals
>with withheld numbers. Never checked.
I'm sure I remember reading somewhere that you always send your CID when
you make a phone call. If you choose to withhold the ID, i
* Neil Ford ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 10:41:03PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
> > On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 08:59:32PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote:
> > > On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 05:43:52PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > nokia 9210
> > > >
> > > > Which is st
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