Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

2001-10-22 Thread David H. Adler
On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 04:23:26PM -0400, Kirrily Robert wrote: > > Brooks' MMM is too obvious to list. And I didn't actually like it. > It's a classic, but a dull and outdated one. And it's about the only > technical book that has actually made me cringe in horror at the amount > of gendered l

Re: The Visual Display of Quantitative Information

2001-10-22 Thread Kirrily Robert
>From: Kate L Pugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Newsgroups: oxbridge.tat >Subject: Camel Tufte >Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 00:00:58 GMT > >In addition, I'd say it's recommended reading for anyone who ever >reads a non-tabloid newspaper. You know those leetle graphics they put >to illustrate news stories? Well

Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

2001-10-22 Thread Kirrily Robert
In lists.community.perlmongers.london, you wrote: >On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 02:10:48PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: >> And the other book suggested so far that I haven't got is the UI book >> that Dave Cantrell suggested. > >It's worth reading Donald Norman's "The Psychology of Everyday Things" as

Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

2001-10-22 Thread Kirrily Robert
In lists.community.perlmongers.london, you wrote: >* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >> >> An Introduction to Database Systems - Chris Date > >I haven't heard of this one, my "classic" general DB books are >Fundamentals of Database Systems and Introduction to SQL (van der >Lans) > >> Refact

Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

2001-10-22 Thread Kirrily Robert
In lists.community.perlmongers.london, you wrote: >Structured Analysis & Design - Tom DeMarco Oh, if we're heading *that* way, here are some "software project management and survival" type books that I think are classics: Peopleware, by Tom DeMarco and Timothy Lister Death March, by Ed Yourdon

Re: Late comment on the computer book thread

2001-10-22 Thread David H. Adler
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 05:00:16PM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: > On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 07:18:28PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 01:05:11PM -0400, David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > [stuph] > > > > Is it just me, or is everyone getting dha's posts twice? >

Re: Late comment on the computer book thread

2001-10-22 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 07:18:28PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: > On Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 01:05:11PM -0400, David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > [stuph] > > Is it just me, or is everyone getting dha's posts twice? Checking the headers it seems that panix.com is sending them twice. Perhaps

Re: Obnoxious spam: News from NuSphere -- #10

2001-10-22 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 02:32:49PM +0200, Newton, Philip wrote: > Paul Makepeace wrote: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit > > Please don't do that if you can help it. It makes my excuse for an MUA > (Outlook, so sue me) do this: Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- it was simply a forward

Re: tube stations

2001-10-22 Thread Andrew Bowman
From: "Paul Mison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Aha, thanks. From that I was able to finally get back to this: > > http://www.davros.org/rail/bell1999.html > > which details the (failed) December 1999 attempt. Notably, this is > after the Jubilee Line Extension's final section (Green Park -> > Waterloo v

Re: tube stations

2001-10-22 Thread Paul Mison
On 22/10/2001 at 10:29 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 10:22:34AM +0100, Chris Heathcote wrote: >> Some people have done it entirely on the Tube iirc, but you have to >>get the >> first train and last train, us a very specific route, and hope that >>certain >> interchanges

Re: Decisions, decisions

2001-10-22 Thread pdcawley
"David H. Adler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 01:24:54PM +0100, Sue Spence wrote: >> Dave Cross wrote: >> > >> > Given the choice would you rather hear Damian Conway talk about: >> > >> > * Extreme Perl >> > >> >> >>

Re: Decisions, decisions

2001-10-22 Thread pdcawley
"Dave Cross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Given the choice would you rather hear Damian Conway talk about: > > * Extreme Perl I'd like to hear this. Actually, I'd like to hear a brand new, as yet unheard by the rest of the Perl world, talk. Bu

Re: Late comment on the computer book thread

2001-10-22 Thread David H. Adler
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 07:18:28PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: > On Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 01:05:11PM -0400, David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > [stuph] > > Is it just me, or is everyone getting dha's posts twice? At the risk of this appearing twice, it's not just you. -- David H. Adler

Re: Decisions, decisions

2001-10-22 Thread David H. Adler
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 01:24:54PM +0100, Sue Spence wrote: > Dave Cross wrote: > > > > Given the choice would you rather hear Damian Conway talk about: > > > > * Extreme Perl > > > > > I'd definitely make a pilgrimage to London for this talk

Re: Late comment on the computer book thread

2001-10-22 Thread Dave Cross
On Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 01:05:11PM -0400, David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [stuph] Is it just me, or is everyone getting dha's posts twice? -- Drugs are just bad m'kay

Re: Obnoxious spam: News from NuSphere -- #10

2001-10-22 Thread anathema
Mike Jarvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Ultimately, I think he's just recruiting new spam fighters. I did >think his newest new attack was clever though. Rather than spewing >nonsense text as he usually does, he's posting pictures of Bush being, >erm, had by bin Laden, and then setting follow up

Re: Late comment on the computer book thread

2001-10-22 Thread David H. Adler
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 01:55:18PM +0200, Newton, Philip wrote: > > I sent in a couple of bug reports, and got back from PvdL a pointer to the > most recent copy of the errata on-line together with a comment along the > lines of "However, I recommend you use Java instead of C. It's better.". Hm.

Re: Obnoxious spam: News from NuSphere -- #10

2001-10-22 Thread Mike Jarvis
Monday, October 22, 2001, 9:12:30 AM, anathema wrote: a> It's a lot harder to read it with HipCrime's floods. He's now posting in other a> NGs and setting the Follow-Up To: to nanae. So: always check the a> Followup-To: before you hit "send", kids! Ultimately, I think he's just recruiting n

Re: Obnoxious spam: News from NuSphere -- #10

2001-10-22 Thread anathema
Newton, Philip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I used to, but it's got really high volume (at least by my standards), and >my curiosity precludes reading "just the interesting bits" (especially since >threads often branch off interminally, though not quite as bad as in the >monastery). It just took me

Re: Obnoxious spam: News from NuSphere -- #10

2001-10-22 Thread Newton, Philip
anathema wrote: > i love nanae. I don't :) I used to, but it's got really high volume (at least by my standards), and my curiosity precludes reading "just the interesting bits" (especially since threads often branch off interminally, though not quite as bad as in the monastery). It just took me

Re: Obnoxious spam: News from NuSphere -- #10

2001-10-22 Thread Newton, Philip
Paul Makepeace wrote: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Please don't do that if you can help it. It makes my excuse for an MUA (Outlook, so sue me) do this: > Diese Nachricht enthält Zeichen, die vom Internet-Dienst > nicht unterstützt werden. Zum Lesen doppelklicken Sie auf die

Re: Decisions, decisions

2001-10-22 Thread Sue Spence
Dave Cross wrote: > > Given the choice would you rather hear Damian Conway talk about: > > * Extreme Perl > I'd definitely make a pilgrimage to London for this talk.

Re: Writing a Perl Game

2001-10-22 Thread Newton, Philip
Jonathan Stowe wrote: > I was absolutely delighted when I discovered that the > debug.exe that came with DOS 3 allowed you to alter the > program binaries and I set out and changed the messages > in command.com on the PCs of all my colleagues ;-} I had one of those command.coms as well when I wa

Re: Message-ID header (was Re: Netiquette)

2001-10-22 Thread Newton, Philip
Paul Makepeace wrote: > On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 04:53:35PM +0200, Newton, Philip wrote: > > Since then, I insert a 'fake' message ID using my > > mailer's "add an extra header" feature > > Oh great, so all your messages have the same Message-ID: > (assuming that any mailer that is too broken to

Re: Message-ID header (was Re: Netiquette)

2001-10-22 Thread Newton, Philip
Mark Hynes wrote: > On Oct 19, Newton, Philip wrote: > > Nicholas Clark wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 08:15:09AM +0200, Newton, Philip wrote: > > > > > > > Then I got a complaint about a message of mine not having a > > > > Message-ID header, and I found that my client apparently do

Re: Late comment on the computer book thread

2001-10-22 Thread Newton, Philip
David H. Adler wrote: > Deep C Secrets (the "fish" (or "really bad pun" :-) book) Ah, yes. (By PvdL, IIRC.) That was recommended on a previous incarnation of our company's coding standards document. I sent in a couple of bug reports, and got back from PvdL a pointer to the most recent copy of th

Re: Decisions, decisions

2001-10-22 Thread Newton, Philip
Dave Cross wrote: > Given the choice would you rather hear Damian Conway talk about: > > * Extreme Perl > > * Lingua::Romana::Perligata > I was going to say L::R::P as I kind of liked the mo

Re: Decisions, decisions

2001-10-22 Thread David Cantrell
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 03:30:43AM -0700, Dave Cross wrote: > Given the choice would you rather hear Damian Conway talk about: > * Extreme Perl > * Lingua::Romana::Perligata > Having seen both,

Re: Decisions, decisions

2001-10-22 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Dave Cross wrote: > > Given the choice would you rather hear Damian Conway talk about: > > * Extreme Perl > That'll be the one for me I think :) /J\

Re: Decisions, decisions

2001-10-22 Thread Dave Cross
From: Redvers Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 10/22/01 11:56:42 AM >> Given the choice would you rather hear Damian Conway >> talk about: > >> * Extreme Perl > > I would lean towards the extreme. > > When is this talk roughly talked in for?

Re: Decisions, decisions

2001-10-22 Thread Redvers Davies
> Given the choice would you rather hear Damian Conway talk about: > * Extreme Perl I would lean towards the extreme. When is this talk roughly talked in for? Red

Decisions, decisions

2001-10-22 Thread Dave Cross
Given the choice would you rather hear Damian Conway talk about: * Extreme Perl * Lingua::Romana::Perligata Having seen both, I think I'd prefer "Extreme Perl", but I'm interested to hear yo

Re: Beautiful Algorithms

2001-10-22 Thread Stray Toaster
On Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 06:14:53PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: > > I've heard a lot of people talk about beautiful algorithms. > > I've been told by some that the Fast Fourier Transform is beautiful I Not only is is beautiful, but useful too. Just like a woman, really. ;-) > > So what are oth

Re:Portals again

2001-10-22 Thread Amias Channer
> From: Redvers Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I've just been drooling over the functionality of postnuke > (http://www.postnuke.com/). It is written in PHP so would be a > pain for me to install. Anyone know of any perly equivalents? > (Except slashcode, bleugh) I use phpnuke to run realnews ,

Re: tube stations

2001-10-22 Thread Andrew Bowman
From: "Greg McCarroll" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I don't know about including the DLR or the new jubiliee, but my 1988 > > vintage Guinness book of records lists all then 272 stations being > > visited in 18 hours 41 min and 41 seconds in 1986. > > > > Was that done on a motorbike or similar, or don

Re: tube stations

2001-10-22 Thread Chris Heathcote
on 22/10/01 10:06 am, Greg McCarroll wrote: > Was that done on a motorbike or similar, or done by just using the > tube and walking? I seem to remember there are different sets of rules - the official one allows you to use other public transport (and maybe even a car) to complete it - don't know

Re: tube stations

2001-10-22 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Dave Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > At the last meeting some of us discussed the challenge of visited all > > > the tube stations on one day, it was quickly decided that it was > > > im

Re: Message-ID header (was Re: Netiquette)

2001-10-22 Thread Redvers Davies
> Seems quite dumb to me - that will reject (for example) bounce messages from Bounce messages are easy to detect though, they have an envelope MAIL FROM: <>

Re: tube stations

2001-10-22 Thread Dave Cross
From: Nicholas Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 10/22/01 9:53:03 AM > http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/ has "macromedia site > of the day" which I suspect is quite justified for its > ability to not let me use it without flash. It's a _horrible_ site. But having battled my way into its dept

Re: tube stations

2001-10-22 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Dave Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > At the last meeting some of us discussed the challenge of visited all > > the tube stations on one day, it was quickly decided that it was > > impossible. > > I don't know about including the DLR or t

Re: tube stations

2001-10-22 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 09:32:13AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: > > At the last meeting some of us discussed the challenge of visited all > the tube stations on one day, it was quickly decided that it was > impossible. Did you check the Guinness Book of Records? There is a time for it, and if th

Re: tube stations

2001-10-22 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > At the last meeting some of us discussed the challenge of visited all > the tube stations on one day, it was quickly decided that it was > impossible. I don't know about including the DLR or the new jubiliee, but my 1988 vintage Guinness book of recor

tube stations

2001-10-22 Thread Greg McCarroll
At the last meeting some of us discussed the challenge of visited all the tube stations on one day, it was quickly decided that it was impossible. However I believe it may be possible to visit all the tube stations north of the river in one day[2]. To make it interesting you could also not use a

Re: Heretical Non-Heretics

2001-10-22 Thread Dave Cross
From: Leon Brocard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 10/22/01 9:13:09 AM > Right, who is the leader of this non-heretical heretics > meeting then? Sounds like you're doing a pretty good job to me :) Dave... -- "Let me see you make decisions, without your television" - D

Re: Heretical Non-Heretics

2001-10-22 Thread Leon Brocard
Paul Mison sent the following bits through the ether: > place we usually went. Like, say, the Porterhouse, on St Martin's Lane. I like the Porterhouse. They have, errr, a lot of beers[1]. It's very big, which'll make a nice change. The food there is actually decent too. Right, who is the leader