Re: Late comment on the computer book thread

2001-10-23 Thread Newton, Philip
David H. Adler wrote: On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 07:18:28PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: On Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 01:05:11PM -0400, David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [stuph] Is it just me, or is everyone getting dha's posts twice? At the risk of this appearing twice, it's not

Re: The Visual Display of Quantitative Information

2001-10-23 Thread Newton, Philip
Kirrily Robert wrote: A great book along these lines is How to lie with statistics by u someone called Hoff or Huff or something. http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0140136290/ How to Lie with Statistics, by Darrell Huff Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] All

Re: tube stations

2001-10-23 Thread Newton, Philip
Paul Mison wrote: Aha, thanks. From that I was able to finally get back to this: http://www.davros.org/rail/bell1999.html which details the (failed) December 1999 attempt. Ah, most interesting. I tried to follow along on a PDF tube map I downloaded. Where's Feltham, though? He went there

Re: tube stations

2001-10-23 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Newton, Philip [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paul Mison wrote: Aha, thanks. From that I was able to finally get back to this: http://www.davros.org/rail/bell1999.html which details the (failed) December 1999 attempt. Ah, most interesting. I tried to follow along on a PDF tube map

Re: The Visual Display of Quantitative Information

2001-10-23 Thread Simon Wistow
In addition, I'd say it's recommended reading for anyone who ever reads a non-tabloid newspaper. You know those leetle graphics they put to illustrate news stories? Well, a lot of them lie. Tufte has very neat explanations of the techniques used. A great book along these lines is How to

Re: The Visual Display of Quantitative Information

2001-10-23 Thread Newton, Philip
Simon Wistow wrote: #include std_correlation_NE_causation_disclaimer.h Hey, use of NE is deprecated in modern Perls :) (The hidden, undocumented commands included for Fortran compatibility, as far as I can see. Ranks in the Perl arcana along with ignoring lines beginning with dot and some

one for dave (new module)

2001-10-23 Thread Richard Clamp
I figure we're pretty safe releasing it to CPAN (the kiddies will never think to look there), but does anyone have any comments before I do? -- Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] USIG.pm

Re: The Visual Display of Quantitative Information

2001-10-23 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You don't even need to use 'techniques' - I did some statistics courses and in some course work managed to 'proove' that the more money you spent on a child at education the worse their results were. Done get me started on school league tables... --

Re: The Visual Display of Quantitative Information

2001-10-23 Thread Simon Wistow
Done get me started on school league tables... It wasn't school league tables. It was the average grade of students correlated against the amount of money the local authority spent on it. or something. Media statistic are often the line between English and Maths and English is too ambiguous to

Re: The Visual Display of Quantitative Information

2001-10-23 Thread Robin Houston
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 12:01:38PM +0200, Newton, Philip wrote: Ranks in the Perl arcana along with ignoring lines beginning with dot and some letters My perl doesn't seem to do that. Or do they have to be particular letters? The most arcane special case that I know about is that a spurious

Re: one for dave (new module)

2001-10-23 Thread Barbie
From: Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] I figure we're pretty safe releasing it to CPAN (the kiddies will never think to look there), but does anyone have any comments before I do? Needed a smile today. Thanks Rich ;) Barbie.

Re: one for dave (new module)

2001-10-23 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Richard Clamp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I figure we're pretty safe releasing it to CPAN (the kiddies will never think to look there), but does anyone have any comments before I do? depending on how flame retardant you feel, you might like to put in a disclaimer about the use of the word

Re: one for dave (new module)

2001-10-23 Thread Dave Cross
From: Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 10/23/01 11:09:49 AM I figure we're pretty safe releasing it to CPAN (the kiddies will never think to look there), but does anyone have any comments before I do? It's great. Let's ship it. Don't you think that bk should have some kind of

Re: one for dave (new module)

2001-10-23 Thread Dave Thorn
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 12:36:01PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Richard Clamp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I figure we're pretty safe releasing it to CPAN (the kiddies will never think to look there), but does anyone have any comments before I do? depending on how flame retardant you

Re: The Visual Display of Quantitative Information

2001-10-23 Thread Newton, Philip
Robin Houston wrote: On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 12:01:38PM +0200, Newton, Philip wrote: Ranks in the Perl arcana along with ignoring lines beginning with dot and some letters My perl doesn't seem to do that. Or do they have to be particular letters? They do. Don't ask me which at the

Re: The Visual Display of Quantitative Information

2001-10-23 Thread Dominic Mitchell
Newton, Philip [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Robin Houston wrote: The most arcane special case that I know about is that a spurious colon will be ignored as long as it's the first character of the source file. Interesting. Something to do with csh compatibility? Some old csh's or kernels

Re: one for dave (new module)

2001-10-23 Thread Richard Clamp
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 04:26:41AM -0700, Dave Cross wrote: Don't you think that bk should have some kind of credit? Good point. On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 12:36:01PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: depending on how flame retardant you feel, you might like to put in a disclaimer about the use of

Re: one for dave (new module)

2001-10-23 Thread Robin Houston
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 02:44:41PM +0100, Richard Clamp wrote: +sub gay::is { http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?form=4700; } I think you want s/form/read/ there. .robin.

Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

2001-10-23 Thread Chris Devers
On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 09:03:20AM -0500, Chris Devers wrote: On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Newton, Philip wrote: Kirrily Robert wrote: when I studied HCI at university. HCI? Human-Computer Interaction, perhaps? Close -- Human

Re: one for dave (new module)

2001-10-23 Thread Richard Clamp
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 02:52:45PM +0100, Robin Houston wrote: On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 02:44:41PM +0100, Richard Clamp wrote: +sub gay::is { http://www.cookwood.com/cgi-bin/lcastro/perlbbs.pl?form=4700; } I think you want s/form/read/ there. So I do, thanks for the catch. Did I ever

Re: tube stations

2001-10-23 Thread Mike Jarvis
Tuesday, October 23, 2001, 10:16:33 AM, Chris Devers wrote: CD As it is, I'm quite sure CD that I wouldn't like to commute there for work (unless the newly active CD Concorde has gotten remarkably cheaper this time around...). BA is running a half price special. Only $5k for now. I'm sure it

Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

2001-10-23 Thread Alex Page
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 03:27:12PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't do the HCI course because that would have meant getting to lectures at 9am. Sometimes I wonder if I missed anything useful. Judging by my HCI course, no, you didn't. 1) Be consistent 2) Be logical 3) Don't force

Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

2001-10-23 Thread Chris Devers
On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: My CS course in HCI didn't just discuss what would be traditionally defined as interfaces, but also the interaction of many different systems with the user. My course made a point of noting that interface meant not just the visual display -- gui,

Re: one for dave (new module)

2001-10-23 Thread Tony Bowden
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 03:15:32PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in my experience and I'm sure others will disagree[1], Makefile.PL files are a bit like sendmail.cf files, you do one once and you copy it from project/server to project/server. apart from of course i'd rather rewrite a

Re: CFT / dim sum / evening meet

2001-10-23 Thread Struan Donald
* at 23/10 16:46 +0100 Geoff Wright said: Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said : Re: CFT / dim sum / evening meet is on the south side of London Bridge (Err its near Cynthia's Cyber Oddly enough if you go further along the road from Cynthia's toward tower bridge you get to a bar

Re: CFT / dim sum / evening meet

2001-10-23 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Ian McGilloway ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: There is another Elusive Camel near Victoria Station. I think this is the third addition... playing to the peanut gallery I have spent many a happy afternoon in the back of that camel seated just beside the fire. /playing to the peanut

Re: CFT / dim sum / evening meet

2001-10-23 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To celebrate Leon's imminent return to employment we shall be having a meeting of the CFT[2] club (which may be similar to Debauchery.pm) on Thursday. You bastard. I get up to London for three consecutive days and I can't do it. Not even the dim sum

Re: CFT / dim sum / evening meet

2001-10-23 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Dave Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To celebrate Leon's imminent return to employment we shall be having a meeting of the CFT[2] club (which may be similar to Debauchery.pm) on Thursday. You bastard. that right, leon and I schemed

Re: CFT / dim sum / evening meet

2001-10-23 Thread pdcawley
Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To celebrate Leon's imminent return to employment we shall be having a meeting of the CFT[2] club (which may be similar to Debauchery.pm) on Thursday. You bastard. I get up to London for three consecutive

Re: one for dave (new module)

2001-10-23 Thread Paul Mison
On 23/10/2001 at 15:57 +0100, Tony Bowden wrote: (on making Makefile.PL files) Template Toolkit is your friend for this. Um, did that module [0] ever make it anywhere obvious? For those of us feeling slow, can you point out where that place might be? [0] http://london.pm.org/tech_talks/ (see

Re: CFT / dim sum / evening meet

2001-10-23 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 07:47:02PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Dave Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I get up to London for three consecutive days and I can't do it. Not even the dim sum for I shall be in the inner reaches of zone 2. Err shurely dim sum is inside zone 1 so

Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)

2001-10-23 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 04:15:34PM -0400, Kirrily Robert wrote: (where else can you read about the (mis-)design of common objects like light switches and stovetops?) Do you mean the little diagrams telling you which ring you're turning on? I always manage to get the left and right part

Re: The Visual Display of Quantitative Information

2001-10-23 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Robin Houston wrote: On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 12:01:38PM +0200, Newton, Philip wrote: Ranks in the Perl arcana along with ignoring lines beginning with dot and some letters My perl doesn't seem to do that. Or do they have to be particular letters? The most arcane

Re: The Visual Display of Quantitative Information

2001-10-23 Thread Jonathan Stowe
ignoring lines beginning with dot and some letters -- known mostly to those who have grovelled in the sources. Or those who remember how embeded documentation worked before the introduction of POD :) /J\

Re: tube stations

2001-10-23 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Newton, Philip wrote: Where's Feltham, though? Its the nearest town to heathrow airport. /J\