Ivor Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Philip Newton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote
Especially since you *will* have to remain familiar with QWERTY as you
will
have to use keyboards that are not your own at some point (typing on a
co-worker's machine; on a computer whose keyboard driver
Ivor Williams wrote:
I am also looking to track down a contrasty PC keyboard - black keys
labelled in white, or white keys labelled in black (as
opposed to dark brown keys labelled in light brown). Any ideas?
All the keyboards I know are (off-)white keys labelled in black. Are they so
the hatter wrote:
Do I just hang out with the wrong people, or is anyone else on
the position of not knowing anyone who actually uses [dvorak] ?
I don't know anyone, either. I once came across the web site of someone who
wrote some software I had used, and he said he used Dvorak keyboards. But
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The list of people is much greater than 12 already, so going for the
cheaper hotel would mean splitting the group.
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On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 05:36:33PM -, Ivor Williams wrote:
I am also looking to track down a contrasty PC keyboard - black keys
labelled in white, or white keys labelled in black (as opposed to dark brown
keys labelled in light brown). Any ideas?
The keyboard that came with my Dell
On Thu, Feb 14, 2002 at 10:40:53AM +0100, Newton, Philip wrote:
I don't know anyone, either. I once came across the web site of someone who
wrote some software I had used, and he said he used Dvorak keyboards. But I
don't remember who it was. No-one I know personally uses a Dvorak keyboard,
Andy Wardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The first Microsoft Natural Keyboard was typically broken in usual MS
fashion. They had got the angle of the two sides right so as to reduce
wrist strain, but then put a convex curve across the rows of keys, forward
to back, effectively moving the
My opinion is that 80-90eur per night is much more plausible
(for me) than the other, higher prices. Although splitting
the group is a Bad Thing, I think that this the best option :/
Tony
--
Anthony Fisher, Web Developer, Sophos Anti-Virus
Real Business/CBI Growing Business Awards: Company of
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 09:07:22PM +, the hatter wrote:
But back to one of the earlier discussions. I've only just run across
someone who actually uses dvorak keymaps.
Martin Portman (aka Doktor von Portski), the cow-orker I share an office
with, uses Dvorak and has done for many
so
http://use.perl.org/features/02/02/13/1959233.shtml?tid=14
what do you think then?
I mean, apart from the fact that it will almost certianly go nowhere do
you think it's a bad thing or a good thing. Is this what we should have
done with Perl6? Does it detract from Perl6?
Answers on a
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Andy Wardley wrote:
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 09:07:22PM +, the hatter wrote:
But back to one of the earlier discussions. I've only just run across
someone who actually uses dvorak keymaps.
Martin Portman (aka Doktor von Portski), the cow-orker I share an office
Greg McCarroll wrote:
8 single rooms at 81,81 EUR and
4 single rooms at 87,00 EUR.
That sounds a lot more doable as far as getting my company to pay for it.
And I would prefer a single room if possible. I'd prefer this option. (It
actually sounds really reasonable for a German
From: Newton, Philip [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What I'd like to know is what Alt Gr stands for. I used to think it was
Alt German, but I think also other national keyboards have it. Alt
Graphic, perhaps?
I always thought it was Gray, as it used to be coloured gray. I've never
used it.
/Robert
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Newton, Philip wrote:
What I'd like to know is what Alt Gr stands for. I used to think it was
Alt German, but I think also other national keyboards have it. Alt
Graphic, perhaps?
For no particular reason I can readily identify, I thought it was alt
graphics, too, though
* Struan Donald ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
* at 14/02 10:01 + Greg McCarroll said:
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The list of people is much greater than 12 already, so going for the
cheaper hotel would mean splitting the group.
well, I'm either for the cheaper one or
The following prices assume staying for the 17,18,19,20,21. Please
double check the prices, I worked them out quickly.
HS Single [8 rooms] 81.81 * 5 = 409.05 + Trn
HS Single [4 rooms] 87.00 * 5 = 435.00 + Trn
MMA Double Sharing [* rooms]
Simon Wistow wrote:
I mean, apart from the fact that it will almost certianly go
nowhere
That's the first impression I got. Especially since that guy appeared to be
the only developer.
And the fact that he didn't bother to preview his comments, resulting in
large-ish chunks of code going
Newton, Philip wrote:
Dominic Mitchell wrote:
german (why is Ctrl Strg?)
My expansion is Steuerung, which, I suppose, is supposed to be a
translation of Control. But I still say Konntrohl Tsee for Ctrl+C, not
Strig Tsee or Steuerung Tsee.
What I'd like to know is what Alt Gr stands
Robert Shiels wrote:
From: Newton, Philip [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What I'd like to know is what Alt Gr stands for. I used
to think it was Alt German, but I think also other
national keyboards have it. Alt Graphic, perhaps?
I always thought it was Gray, as it used to be coloured gray.
Ivor Williams wrote:
Alt Graphics is correct. This was a reserved for future
use key, that MS pressed into service when the Euro currency
symbol was invented. (AltGr + 4)
It's been in use for years in Germany -- the only way to obtain { [ ] } \ ~
| on a standard German computer keyboard. (As
nemesis wrote:
The Gr in Alt Gr stands for German, by the way.
from http://www.monochrom.at/cracked/factoids01.htm (FACTOIDS #4/01).
Wether there is any truth in this I don't know.
It must be true; I read it on the Internet is all I'll say about the
probably truth of that one.
Cheers,
Greg McCarroll wrote:
(Trn indicates the additional cost of transport to the conf which is
unknown, and its up to you to find out if you are very curious.)
Negligible. According to http://deutschland-hotel.de/muc/stachus.htm , the
hotel is at Bayerstraße 7, assuming it's the same Hotel
From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]
snip loads of stuff and things
The MMA double room is fine with me.
Barbie.
* at 14/02 10:41 + Greg McCarroll said:
The following prices assume staying for the 17,18,19,20,21. Please
double check the prices, I worked them out quickly.
They looked about right. out of interest how many people (like me) are
leaving on the 21st?
we go for the MMA and those who
Greg McCarroll wrote:
Now, I note that the price to share a room in the MMA is just a little
more expensive than the cost of a single in the HS. So I'd suggest
that we go for the MMA and those who need to economise should go for a
double room - now of course this isn't my decision to make, so
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:56:45 -, you (Ivor Williams
[EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Philip Newton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote
What I'd like to know is what Alt Gr stands for. I used to think it was
Alt German, but I think also other national keyboards have it. Alt
Graphic, perhaps?
Alt
Right, I really want to go for a single at the HS...
but only if there are going to be a few other people
there...
Tony
--
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Real Business/CBI Growing Business Awards: Company of the Year
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tel: 01235 559933, Web:
Philip Newton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
Alt Graphics is correct. This was a reserved for future
use key, that MS pressed into service when the Euro currency
symbol was invented. (AltGr + 4)
It's been in use for years in Germany -- the only way to obtain { [ ] } \
~
| on a
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Greg McCarroll wrote:
MMA Double Sharing [* rooms] (4*173.00 + 1 * 206.00)/2 = 449.00
MMA Single [5 rooms] 4*133.00 + 1 * 160.00 = 692.00
MMA Single(better) [* rooms] 4*147.00 + 1 * 176.00 = 764.00
Now, I note that the price to share a room in the MMA is
On Thu, Feb 14, 2002 at 10:01:29AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
PLEASE SEND FEEDBACK TO THIS LIST
Regarding the prices at the hotel Mercure München Altstadt I am now
able to give you the exact prices:
5 single rooms September 17 to 21: 133,00 EUR
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Ivor Williams wrote:
I wonder how to get the other accents on a UK keyboard. I know CharMapper
and ALT+nnn do, but that's cheating. ;-)
There are quite a few ways to do this in $EDITOR [1]. emacs has quite a
few modes like this (some I fall into by mistake and then can't
Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
so
http://use.perl.org/features/02/02/13/1959233.shtml?tid=14
what do you think then?
I mean, apart from the fact that it will almost certianly go nowhere do
you think it's a bad thing or a good thing. Is this what we should have
done with
Newton, Philip wrote:
less of a hassle to sort out with the company than paying
for half a room at the MMA.
Plus I'm only staying until the 21st (Saturday) while most of London.pm
seems to be staying until the 22nd (Sunday), which might also make sharing
difficult.
Cheers,
Philip
--
Philip
* Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
HS Single [8 rooms] 81.81 * 5 = 409.05 + Trn
HS Single [4 rooms] 87.00 * 5 = 435.00 + Trn
MMA Double Sharing [* rooms] (4*173.00 + 1 * 206.00)/2 = 449.00
MMA Single [5 rooms] 4*133.00 +
Ivor Williams wrote:
Philip Newton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
[AltGr has] been in use for years in Germany -- the only way to
obtain { [ ] } \ ~ | on a standard German computer keyboard.
That must make writing perl quite painful. !-)
Which is why a co-worker of mine uses a US
On Thu, Feb 14, 2002 at 12:04:20PM +0100, Newton, Philip wrote:
It's still coloured grey on my keyboard, but so is the regular Alt key as
well as Shift, Ctrl, Tab, Return, and a bunch of other control-ish keys. The
colour might be a German thing, then.
This 'ere keyboard (Sun type 6) has grey
* Newton, Philip ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Newton, Philip wrote:
less of a hassle to sort out with the company than paying
for half a room at the MMA.
Plus I'm only staying until the 21st (Saturday) while most of London.pm
seems to be staying until the 22nd (Sunday), which might also
Steve Mynott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
It's fascinating to compare new and old languages and see how things
have changed (usually for the better it seems). It's almost like a
process of evolution from something dinosaur like BCPL to modern
languages like Ruby, Java and Perl 6 via C.
Tony Kennick sent the following bits through the ether:
I just need some pointers to the plotting bit.
If only there was a map drawing thing on CPAN. Oh wait, there
is, I wrote one: Image::WorldMap. Patches welcome ;-)
Leon
--
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On Thu, 2002-02-14 at 06:42, Ivor Williams wrote:
That must make writing perl quite painful. !-)
I suppose you would get used to it though. AltGr becomes just another shift
key.
I was at a client site in Rome, using my fifth keyoboard layout for the
month, trying to write a little perl. It
On Thu, Feb 14, 2002 at 10:47:51AM +, the hatter wrote:
Between us, we've tried pretty much every input device that money can buy
(as one of the general remits of our research): regular keyboards, ergo
keyboards, chording keyboards, split keyboards, twiddlers, mice, trackballs,
Mike Jarvis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The weirdest thing about the office was seeing an ashtray on top of a
Sun 4500. The espresso was great too.
Man, tell me about it. I had a couple of days in Milan once and apart
from the instant itchy eyes and nasal streaming from the pollution, it
was
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Newton, Philip wrote:
And the euro is AltGr+E in most Microsoft layouts IIRC. (It is in the
German layout.) Ah, right: see
http://www.eu.microsoft.com/typography/faq/faq12.htm#kbd . The only ones
who're different are Greek Latin, Hungarian, Irish, Latvia
QWERTY, Polish,
Chris Devers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote
That or our keyboards have no AltGr key. Typical standard bottom row goes:
CTRL [WIN] ALT SPACEBAR ALT [[WIN]] [CTXT] CTRL
Betcha the second ALT right of the space bar is really an ALTGR.
Try this key and 4 inside a MS application like Word.
Chris Devers wrote:
because they already had something on AltGr+E.
That or our keyboards have no AltGr key. Typical standard
bottom row goes:
CTRL [WIN] ALT SPACEBAR ALT [[WIN]] [CTXT] CTRL
Where would AltGr typically go on keyboards that have them?
The right Alt key would be
Ivor Williams wrote:
Chris Devers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote
That or our keyboards have no AltGr key. Typical standard
bottom row goes:
CTRL [WIN] ALT SPACEBAR ALT [[WIN]] [CTXT] CTRL
Betcha the second ALT right of the space bar is really an ALTGR.
Try this key and 4
Andy Wardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 07:30:30PM +, Roger Burton West wrote:
Your opinion seems to be that of about 30% of MSNK users who've
commented. The other 70% think the first version was vastly better and
the second was horrible. Personally, I can't use
Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
so
http://use.perl.org/features/02/02/13/1959233.shtml?tid=14
what do you think then?
I mean, apart from the fact that it will almost certianly go nowhere do
you think it's a bad thing or a good thing. Is this what we should have
done with
--- Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
The following prices assume staying for the
17,18,19,20,21. Please
double check the prices, I worked them out quickly.
HS Single [8 rooms] 81.81 * 5
= 409.05 + Trn
HS Single [4 rooms] 87.00 * 5
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Ivor Williams wrote:
Chris Devers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote
That or our keyboards have no AltGr key. Typical standard bottom row goes:
CTRL [WIN] ALT SPACEBAR ALT [[WIN]] [CTXT] CTRL
Betcha the second ALT right of the space bar is really an ALTGR.
I'm
Hello all,
I'm an American here in London working for my New York masters, and I
would like to graciously ask two questions of the London Perl Mongers:
1) Can you recommend a good ISP that provides 0800 dialup numbers? We
currently have UUnet accounts, but they use 0845 numbers, resulting in
* Newton, Philip ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I just talked to a colleague who gave me an idea.
If the hotel will only provide one bill for the room instead of two,
they will provide 2 bills, hotels are easily persuaded by the right
attitude
--
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On Thu, 2002-02-14 at 11:13, Piers Cawley wrote:
Is the elite the vile one with the cursor keys in a diamond
arrangement instead of the inverted T? I hated it when I first played
with one, and liked my original natural thank you very much. (But it
really only got useful if you tilted it
Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
1) Can you recommend a good ISP that provides 0800 dialup numbers?
We currently have UUnet accounts, but they use 0845 numbers, resulting
in hotel phone charges; however, the hotels we use don't charge for
0800 calls. Please no services that require
--- Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1) Can you recommend a good ISP that provides 0800
dialup numbers?
We currently have UUnet accounts, but they use
0845 numbers, resulting
in hotel phone charges; however, the hotels we use
don't charge for
0800 calls. Please no services that
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Ivor Williams wrote:
Philip Newton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
Chris Devers wrote:
it isn't functionality that most US users are aware of or
would miss.
And I think that's the reason -- most US users don't need to produce
accented letters (and many are
does anyone know how to install Mac OS Classic/9 AFTER installing Mac
OS X?
just curious
--
Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Greg McCarroll wrote:
does anyone know how to install Mac OS Classic/9 AFTER installing Mac
OS X?
just curious
Put the OS9 cd in the drive reboot.
Follow instructions from there.
Are you trying this? Are you hitting snags?
--
Chris Devers
Okay, Gene... so, -1
I think Kake is doing a fantastic job as pub guy we all owe her a vote of
thanks!
The pub the other night DID have a good handrail as I recall as I'd
been thinking of Nat at the time. Nice wide stairs too for the
drunken pple to stagger up safely at the end if needed -:
The food was very good
Ivor Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I bet this really pisses off the Hispanics and French Canadians.
Sound like a plan.
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Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com
Interim Technical
Greg McCarroll sent the following bits through the ether:
Now, I note that the price to share a room in the MMA is just a little
more expensive than the cost of a single in the HS. So I'd suggest
that we go for the MMA and those who need to economise should go for a
double room - now of
On Thu, Feb 14, 2002 at 10:35:26AM +, Andy Wardley wrote:
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 07:30:30PM +, Roger Burton West wrote:
Your opinion seems to be that of about 30% of MSNK users who've
commented. The other 70% think the first version was vastly better and
the second was horrible.
Ivor Williams wrote:
Philip Newton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
Chris Devers wrote:
I'm sorry but I'm quite sure I've never seen ALTGR on a US
keyboard. Ever.
[snip]
but it isn't functionality that most US users are aware of or
would miss.
And I think that's the reason
Chris Devers wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Ivor Williams wrote:
Philip Newton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
Chris Devers wrote:
it isn't functionality that most US users are aware of or
would miss.
And I think that's the reason -- most US users don't need to produce
On Thu, Feb 14, 2002 at 10:41:26AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
The following prices assume staying for the 17,18,19,20,21. Please
double check the prices, I worked them out quickly.
MMA Double Sharing [* rooms] (4*173.00 + 1 * 206.00)/2 = 449.00
MMA Single [5 rooms] 4*133.00 + 1 *
* Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Ok, it seems impossible that there can be one hotel, if people want to
email me off list with their preferences out of the options of the
original email entitled The Hotel Fiasco, i'll let CSM know where to
slot people in.
Ok, after throwing my
* Struan Donald ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
* at 14/02 16:42 + Greg McCarroll said:
Ok, it seems impossible that there can be one hotel, if people want to
email me off list with their preferences out of the options of the
original email entitled The Hotel Fiasco, i'll let CSM know
Ok, its obvious humour following on from the classic use strict is
gay line, but i still enjoyed it ...
PerfDave No, -w is bisexual.
--
Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
* Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
people staying at the MMS have a good stay, so I'm going to
I blame NMS for the above, it should of course of been MMA.
--
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* Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
people staying at the MMS have a good stay, so I'm going to
I blame NMS for the above, it should of course of been MMA.
MMS = Michael Marshall Smith. Great author.
L.
Everyone deserves a happy ending. Even me.
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002, Greg McCarroll wrote:
please note it would appear that the HS has not got a bar
That'll be that sorted as far as I am concerned :)
/J\
On Thu, 2002-02-14 at 17:04, Tim Noll wrote:
And, as far as the london.pm meetings go, I'm off to the States for two
weeks starting tomorrow. But when I return, if I can manage to drag some
of my hapless colleagues along, I might just try to avoid that teaspoon
mauling.
They've gotten
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 01:54:58PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would like to be able to input data at speech speed.
Talk slower.
--
Chris Benson
On Tue, Feb 12, 2002 at 12:18:31PM +, Piers Cawley wrote:
Chris Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
31.5, and the winner is:
SPAM: Content analysis details: (49.5 hits, 5 required)
Yow!
Looking at it, I have to think it is an example of spammer wit.
The From: scores 5.8 by itself,
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