Re: london.pm digest, Vol 1 #611 - 24 msgs

2002-02-21 Thread anathema
Kate L Pugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Is there any chance people could try to only post when they have >something to say? Is there any chance you could ralise that this would dam london.pm to a tiny little trickle? >since they subscribe, see several inane one-liners, unsubscribe, and >then co

Re: OT : Copyleft

2002-02-21 Thread Chris Ball
> "Nik" == Nik Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Nik> Ok thats like totally unfair as in my personaly psyche I know I Nik> am better than what any one else thinks about me so now does Nik> that make me a pseudo prick , or just a totall dildo ? no im Nik> sure of it. I am grea

Re: OT : Copyleft

2002-02-21 Thread Nik Butler
> If you can clearly see that you are better than others in many > ways - you are a prick, snap out of it. p.s. this really is true, > if you fit the profile your a prick, end of discussion. Ok thats like totally unfair as in my personaly psyche I know I am better than what any one

Re: OT : Copyleft

2002-02-21 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Mon, 28 Feb 2000, Greg McCarroll wrote: > > > > If anyone is purchasing copyleft t-shirts or similar in the next bit > > give me a shout as i'd like to buy some - but have never managed to > > get a credit card as i haven't cleared off my dodgy stud

Re: Newbie introduction

2002-02-21 Thread Anthony Fisher
George Dickey wrote: > > Hi all > > I'm reasonably new to Perl, I am an electronics engineer by trade and > I started playing with Perl last year as I needed to mangle some text Welcome! > I'm thinking xhtml and EmbPerl for my web site. I've already got > apache running in a basic configurati

Re: london.pm digest, Vol 1 #611 - 24 msgs

2002-02-21 Thread Tim Noll
David H. Adler wrote: > On Thu, Feb 21, 2002 at 07:55:09AM +, Dave Cross wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2002 at 02:11:49AM -0500, David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 14, 2002 at 10:04:02PM -, Tim Noll wrote: > > > > > > > > And, as far as the london.pm meetings go, I'm

Swearing be warned ( was Re: Supermarkets [Was: Tea])

2002-02-21 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Kate L Pugh wrote: > is it only "fuck" that > I'd get told off for? > Why the fuck would you fucking get fucked off for saying fuck on the list ? Shurely shome fucking mishtake ? I'll fucking take it fucking up with the fucking

Re: Social meet kick up the arse [Was: Return to the Yorke]

2002-02-21 Thread Kate L Pugh
On Tue 19 Feb 2002, the hatter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mmmm, kake. Oh, just a sec, it's cake I mmm for, I've little idea > what kake is. You will have an excellent opportunity to find out on March 7th. > A social gives people more time to find some people they like, > I'd think. Though I'

Re: london.pm digest, Vol 1 #611 - 24 msgs

2002-02-21 Thread Kate L Pugh
On Thu 21 Feb 2002, anathema <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > *bounce* Is there any chance people could try to only post when they have something to say? I've stopped recommending this list to people now, since they subscribe, see several inane one-liners, unsubscribe, and then complain that I was t

Supermarkets [Was: Tea]

2002-02-21 Thread Kate L Pugh
On Thu 21 Feb 2002, Roger Burton West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [...] the advantages of a supermarket seem to be: > > - if you don't have one in walking distance, you'll be able to park a > car there, which you won't for many markets. I try to shop at local shops rather than supermarkets part

Re: OT : Copyleft

2002-02-21 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Mon, 28 Feb 2000, Greg McCarroll wrote: > > If anyone is purchasing copyleft t-shirts or similar in the next bit > give me a shout as i'd like to buy some - but have never managed to > get a credit card as i haven't cleared off my dodgy student credit > record. > Yeah, as it happens I think th

Re: london.pm digest, Vol 1 #611 - 24 msgs

2002-02-21 Thread anathema
David H. Adler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Does he beat us if we're Bad? >Only if you ask nicely. *bounce* -- http://www.the-anathema.org "What if everything is an illusion and nothing exists? In that case, I definitely overpaid for my carpet." - Woody Allen

Re: london.pm digest, Vol 1 #611 - 24 msgs

2002-02-21 Thread David H. Adler
On Thu, Feb 21, 2002 at 03:00:07PM -0500, anathema wrote: > David H. Adler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Fortunately, no. We don't have a democratically elected leader, we have > >a Ruthless, Godless Dictator(tm). :-) > > Does he beat us if we're Bad? Only if you ask nicely. dha -- David H. Ad

Re: london.pm digest, Vol 1 #611 - 24 msgs

2002-02-21 Thread anathema
David H. Adler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Fortunately, no. We don't have a democratically elected leader, we have >a Ruthless, Godless Dictator(tm). :-) Does he beat us if we're Bad? -- http://www.the-anathema.org "The two most beautiful words in the english language are 'check enclosed'." - Dor

Newbie introduction

2002-02-21 Thread George Dickey
Hi all I'm reasonably new to Perl, I am an electronics engineer by trade and I started playing with Perl last year as I needed to mangle some text files. Every so often I dig out my camel and re-learn what I've forgotten to mangle some more files. Recently, I've decided it is about time I learnt

Re: london.pm digest, Vol 1 #611 - 24 msgs

2002-02-21 Thread David H. Adler
On Thu, Feb 21, 2002 at 11:17:55AM +, Nicholas Clark wrote: > On Thu, Feb 21, 2002 at 02:11:49AM -0500, David H. Adler wrote: > > > And, of course, while you're here, you *will* come to an NY.pm meeting, > > right? :-) > > > > Of course, I'd have to actually *scedule* one first... > > Hey

Re: CPAN installing

2002-02-21 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 02:09:44PM +, Mark Fowler wrote: > I'm wondering if anyone has any general advice. Currently I'm having > problems with perl core dumping, and I wondered if it's caused by me doing > anything stupid. On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 03:11:11PM +, Mark Fowler wrote: > On

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Tanker 0.01

2002-02-21 Thread Paul Mison
On Thu, Feb 21, 2002 at 12:04:32PM +, Simon Wistow wrote: > [FWD-ed from the bots list where it's met with resounding silence] That's because I wanted bots to be about more than just bot development, especially bots that don't even connect to IRC (although, yes, I know you cracked that one ye

Re: london.pm digest, Vol 1 #611 - 24 msgs

2002-02-21 Thread Natalie Ford
On Thu, Feb 21, 2002 at 02:59:38PM +0100, Newton, Philip wrote: > Beware -- in Amsterdam, there were people who were willing to bid on "Sunday > morning 10:00 am" as the meeting date for London.pm! At least it was as late as 10am! :) -- Natalie Ford .. [EMAIL PR

Re: Tea (was Re: Bolloxia)

2002-02-21 Thread Lucy McWilliam
On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, the hatter wrote: > On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, jo walsh wrote: > > this has been an irrelevant post. i bought a book about neural networks > > today. are they any cop? > > They have their uses. Though they're used for lots of things which > they're not ideally suited to. Possibl

RE: london.pm digest, Vol 1 #611 - 24 msgs

2002-02-21 Thread Richard Clyne
We'd just arive a few (20?) hours early. Richard > -Original Message- > From: Newton, Philip [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 21 February 2002 14:00 > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: Re: london.pm digest, Vol 1 #611 - 24 msgs > > > Beware -- in Amsterdam, there were people who

Re: Tea (was Re: Bolloxia)

2002-02-21 Thread Chris Ball
> "Greg" == Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Greg> warwick is a nutter/showman/etc., some of the registers best Greg> stories are the ones where they just have a go at him, they Greg> refer to him mockingly as "Captain Cyborg" Yep. For even more satire, check out http:

Re: select() operates globally?

2002-02-21 Thread Newton, Philip
Dominic Mitchell wrote: > The traditional solution is to do: > > my $oldfh = select( $newfh ); > print "hello world"; > select($oldfh); Also known as "cleaning up after yourself when you're done". Just like you say "local($/);" instead of stomping on your caller's global variable. Cheers, Phil

Re: london.pm digest, Vol 1 #611 - 24 msgs

2002-02-21 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Thu, Feb 21, 2002 at 02:59:38PM +0100, Newton, Philip wrote: > Struan Donald wrote: > > and thus started the great "monger meeting date unification" drive > > of 2002 ;) > > Beware -- in Amsterdam, there were people who were willing to bid on "Sunday > morning 10:00 am" as the meeting date fo

Re: Tea (was Re: Bolloxia)

2002-02-21 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Paul Makepeace ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Thu, Feb 21, 2002 at 10:38:54AM +, Simon Wistow wrote: > > http://education.guardian.co.uk/egweekly/story/0,5500,565525,00.html > > ``Professor Warwick is perhaps best known for becoming the first cyborg, > when he had an implant that allowed h

Re: select() operates globally?

2002-02-21 Thread Dominic Mitchell
"Jonathan Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > So far as I can see select operates globally across all package > namespaces. Which is annoying. Yup. > Thus: > > $obj = Class->new; > $obj->some_method(); # Calls a select() within package Class > print "wibble;# prints to modi

Re: Perlmonks down?

2002-02-21 Thread jo walsh
> I can't reach perlmonks.org from several points on the net. Are they > down and is it temporary? Ping to www.perlmonks.org has 76% packet loss > from penderel, so maybe network trouble? i think that was this end, routing trouble at PSI, state51's internal network seemed to drop off the net for

Re: london.pm digest, Vol 1 #611 - 24 msgs

2002-02-21 Thread Newton, Philip
Struan Donald wrote: > * at 21/02 11:17 + Nicholas Clark said: > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2002 at 02:11:49AM -0500, David H. Adler wrote: > > > > > And, of course, while you're here, you *will* come to an > > > NY.pm meeting, right? :-) > > > > > > Of course, I'd have to actually *scedule* one fi

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Tanker 0.01

2002-02-21 Thread Mark Fowler
On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Simon Wistow wrote: > [FWD-ed from the bots list where it's met with resounding silence] You released it yesterday afternoon. I've either been in the pub, asleep, or working since then. Give us a chance. Later. Mark, -- s'' Mark Fowler

RE: [ANNOUNCE] Tanker 0.01

2002-02-21 Thread Ivor Williams
Simon Wistow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > So you could have IRC+Jabber+Email->Speech if you wanted. I'd quite ike > to write a webswerver :) Ever thought of getting the RNIB to sponsor it? Ivor. --- The information con

Re: london.pm digest, Vol 1 #611 - 24 msgs

2002-02-21 Thread Struan Donald
* at 21/02 11:17 + Nicholas Clark said: > On Thu, Feb 21, 2002 at 02:11:49AM -0500, David H. Adler wrote: > > > And, of course, while you're here, you *will* come to an NY.pm meeting, > > right? :-) > > > > Of course, I'd have to actually *scedule* one first... > > Hey cool. So they don't

RE: select() operates globally?

2002-02-21 Thread Ivor Williams
Jonathan Peterson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote > So far as I can see select operates globally across all package > namespaces. Which is annoying. > > Thus: > > $obj = Class->new; > $obj->some_method(); # Calls a select() within package Class > print "wibble;# prints to modi

Re: Tea (was Re: Bolloxia)

2002-02-21 Thread Jonathan Peterson
Paul Makepeace wrote: > > Talks about his emotional connections to the machine too at the end, > which considering how much he felt & how simplistic the device was is > pretty intriguing. > > Other pages on his next implant seem out of date, but suggest he > might've done it (kevinwarwick.com s

select() operates globally?

2002-02-21 Thread Jonathan Peterson
Hi, So far as I can see select operates globally across all package namespaces. Which is annoying. Thus: $obj = Class->new; $obj->some_method();# Calls a select() within package Class print "wibble; # prints to modified file handle, not STDOUT!! Is there some way of making it not

Re: Perlmonks down?

2002-02-21 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Dan Brook wrote: > On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 11:43:29 + Jonathan Peterson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I can't reach perlmonks.org from several points on the net. Are they > > down and is it temporary? Ping to www.perlmonks.org has 76% packet loss > > from penderel, so may

Re: london.pm digest, Vol 1 #611 - 24 msgs

2002-02-21 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Thu, Feb 21, 2002 at 02:11:49AM -0500, David H. Adler wrote: > And, of course, while you're here, you *will* come to an NY.pm meeting, > right? :-) > > Of course, I'd have to actually *scedule* one first... Hey cool. So they don't have a regular date. Does that mean that at the auction at Y

short term crash space in London?

2002-02-21 Thread Paul Makepeace
I have a friend visiting me from the US tomorrow through to Tuesday and some of that time we'll be in London. Does anyone have any suggestions for cheap places to stay? Probably this will only be two nights, Fri & Sat. I thought of "someone's floor" but that isn't nice for someone travelling acros

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Tanker 0.01

2002-02-21 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Simon Wistow wrote: > [FWD-ed from the bots list where it's met with resounding silence] > I think the initial flurry of new love with the list died down ... /J\

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Tanker 0.01

2002-02-21 Thread Simon Wistow
On Thu, Feb 21, 2002 at 12:04:32PM +, Simon Wistow said: > Tanker ... is a bit like Apache. Requests get generated by clients. Requests go down pipelines. Plugins (or handlers) can massage the Request. At the end a Response is generated. The RequestGenerators and ResponseHandlers are generic

Re: Perlmonks down?

2002-02-21 Thread Dan Brook
> I can't reach perlmonks.org from several points on the net. Are they > down and is it temporary? I don't believe it's down as I can still access the site, albeit inconsistently. I get the feeling the problem is caused by bandwidth issues somewhere between $here and there. Dan. On Thu, 21 Feb

[ANNOUNCE] Tanker 0.01

2002-02-21 Thread Simon Wistow
[FWD-ed from the bots list where it's met with resounding silence] Last night (now, two nights ago) , whilst waiting to go to the pub I cleaned up the code I'd been tinkering with, wrote some documentation and some comments so other people could have a squiz. Although I noted that James uploaded

Re: Perlmonks down?

2002-02-21 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Thu, Feb 21, 2002 at 11:43:29AM +, Jonathan Peterson wrote: > I can't reach perlmonks.org from several points on the net. Are they > down and is it temporary? Ping to www.perlmonks.org has 76% packet loss > from penderel, so maybe network trouble? Fine from San Francisco (above.net) & Bris

Perlmonks down?

2002-02-21 Thread Jonathan Peterson
I can't reach perlmonks.org from several points on the net. Are they down and is it temporary? Ping to www.perlmonks.org has 76% packet loss from penderel, so maybe network trouble? Damn internet thingy bust again. J -- Jonathan Peterson Technical Manager, Unified Ltd, +44 (0)20 7383 6092 [EMAI

Re: Tea (was Re: Bolloxia)

2002-02-21 Thread Chris Heathcote
on 21/2/02 10:43 am, Jonathan Peterson wrote: > When I was in Japan I became very fond of the cold-green-tea-in-a-bottle > stuff you get from vending machines. On reflection, however, it's icky. > The cold-sweet-milky-coffee-in-a-tin stuff you get from vending machines > is fantastic though. Anyo

Re: Tea (was Re: Bolloxia)

2002-02-21 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Thu, Feb 21, 2002 at 10:38:54AM +, Simon Wistow wrote: > http://education.guardian.co.uk/egweekly/story/0,5500,565525,00.html ``Professor Warwick is perhaps best known for becoming the first cyborg, when he had an implant that allowed his office to react to his presence. Next month, he pla

Re: Tea (was Re: Bolloxia)

2002-02-21 Thread Jasper McCrea
Jonathan Peterson wrote: > > David Cantrell wrote: > > > I've been drinking lots of Chinese tea recently, as opposed to my normal > > can't-stand-a-spoon-in-it-cos-the-spoon-would-melt Indian/East African > > teas. Whittards do a particularly fine jasmine tea, which I am drinking > > right now

RE: Tea (was Re: Bolloxia)

2002-02-21 Thread Ivor Williams
Simon Wistow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote > I *heart* borough market - I just wish I could go there more often. I > can't wait for summer again so I can go and then go and sit by the > Anchor and look over the river and have a pint and ... But the Anchor is closed for a refurb :-( > 'Profe

Re: Tea (was Re: Bolloxia)

2002-02-21 Thread Roger Burton West
On Thu, Feb 21, 2002 at 10:38:54AM +, Simon Wistow wrote: >Of *course* small, local shops are >better. It's not even like you can't get the exotic stuff there. I mean, >I know there's convenience but I'd rather walk round borough market, I'm inclined to agree, but the advantages of a supermar

(AI (was Re: Tea) (was Re: Bolloxia)))

2002-02-21 Thread jo walsh
> 'Professor Aleksander said the ethical problem of "killing" a conscious > computer by switching it off would not arise. The machine would not feel > threatened by such action. > > Ignoring the troll, that is a problem, doncha think? well, ignoring the semantics of a field i know very little ab

Re: Tea (was Re: Bolloxia)

2002-02-21 Thread Jonathan Peterson
David Cantrell wrote: > I've been drinking lots of Chinese tea recently, as opposed to my normal > can't-stand-a-spoon-in-it-cos-the-spoon-would-melt Indian/East African > teas. Whittards do a particularly fine jasmine tea, which I am drinking > right now with a pinch of sugar. I found out not

Re: Tea (was Re: Bolloxia)

2002-02-21 Thread Simon Wistow
On Thu, Feb 21, 2002 at 12:09:49AM +, jo walsh said: > i have very beautiful green tea from borough market (under the london > bridge railway arches for those who have not been; tagline "if we don't > sell it, it's probably not worth eating" is it still at risk of closure? > :/ ). "a heavy bou

Re: Tea (was Re: Bolloxia)

2002-02-21 Thread Roger Burton West
On Thu, Feb 21, 2002 at 12:09:49AM +, jo walsh wrote: >this has been an irrelevant post. i bought a book about neural networks >today. are they any cop? IME they're what I use when I don't know how to solve the problem, don't want to know what the solution to the problem is, but want it to pr

Re: Developing Perl based products for windows.

2002-02-21 Thread Leon Brocard
Nicholas Clark sent the following bits through the ether: > assimilate him into the London.pm count) this resulted in the German Perl > Workshop having more English than German presentations. Which to be fair, is > not actually a very desirable state of affairs.] It turns out that they didn't ha

Re: Tea (was Re: Bolloxia)

2002-02-21 Thread the hatter
On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, jo walsh wrote: > there's also a very sweet tea bar - char bar? - buried in the backstreets > across the road from the british library. They only serve very sweet tea ? I suppose that could be useful first thing in the morning. > this has been an irrelevant post. i bought