UK programmers are half the cost of US programmer? Wow, and I thought all the
IT jobs were moving to India!
Maybe it's time to move back to the UK, where the beer is warm and the girls
are...
--
Ciao
Richard Foley
http://www.rfi.net/books.html
On Fri, Dec 09, 2011 at 01:54:58AM -0500,
On Friday, December 09, 2011 at 02:23:22 AM, Avleen Vig wrote:
Indeed. My impression of NaP was also that they're very good. Given that I
know people there and have only heard good things (you know a company is
good when people don't want to leave).
So if you're a) good, and b) lucky and c)
On Friday, December 09, 2011 at 02:10:22 AM, Aaron Trevena wrote:
On 9 December 2011 06:54, Rudolf Lippan rlip...@remotelinux.com wrote:
On Thursday, December 08, 2011 at 11:23:35 PM, Kieren Diment wrote:
I suspect this is a symptom of the GFC rather than anything more sinister.
I'm
On 12/09/2011 02:58 AM, Rudolf Lippan wrote:
On Friday, December 09, 2011 at 02:23:22 AM, Avleen Vig wrote:
My understanding is that NAP had a very hard time finding people in the
US---I know I passed their posts by before. I had serious concerns after
talking to them, and the recruiter
On Fri, 2011-12-09 at 02:23 -0500, Avleen Vig wrote:
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 2:10 AM, Aaron Trevena aaron.trev...@gmail.comwrote:
[snip]
At least here in the US, bypassing recruiters is the much preferred method.
I don't know why they're still so heavily relied on in the UK.
The agency does
Hi Raphael,
I am very sorry to hear of your situation.
That said, please could you give NaP a bit more time to get back to you
before this discussion goes any further on a public list.
Many thanks
Leo
(London.pm leader)
On 9 December 2011 08:10, Rudolf Lippan rlip...@remotelinux.com wrote:
Your recruitment agent could well be telling porky pies NaP, are a
Perhaps, but she seemed pretty willing to back it up...
Hmm.. When at LOVEFiLM we had lots of recruiters telling fibs - we had
an exclusive partnership with
On 9 Dec 2011, at 07:49, Richard Foley wrote:
UK programmers are half the cost of US programmer? Wow, and I thought all the
IT jobs were moving to India!
Cost of the developers is not the sole cost in building a team in another
country ;-)
Adrian
--
http://quietstars.com
I wouldn't put much faith in anything I didn't hear directly from a
N-a-P employee on this matter.
Hah. After chatting to NAP's HR person at YAPC::EU about a job, and then
sending an email asking, and then a follow-up email checking why I hadn't
heard anything, I gave up trying to do anything
Morning.
I should prefix my response that I am currently an employee of NAP and have
been for over 4.5 years.
I'm sorry that your experience with NAP has been far from ideal. I haven't
personally been involved with the hiring over the US but I have forwarded
the details to the people involved so
Quoting Raphael Mankin r...@mankin.org.uk:
The agency does the legwork, saving both the company time in going
through lots of CVs, and the contractor in having to trawl through
hundreds of company web sites looking for jobs.
The agency centralises the billing so that the company has to deal
On Thu, Dec 08, 2011 at 10:13:49PM -0500, Rudolf Lippan typed:
About six weeks ago, I was contacted by a recruiter and asked if I was
interested in a team lead position in New Jersey, and so begins my story.
I've no particular reason to defend NAP or doubt your story but publically
On 9 December 2011 10:57, Steve Mynott st...@gruntling.com wrote:
On Thu, Dec 08, 2011 at 10:13:49PM -0500, Rudolf Lippan typed:
I've no particular reason to defend NAP or doubt your story but publically
publishing complaints about recruitment doesn't strike me as professional.
Well, to be
Actually, I'm finding this quite informative.
From what I've seen Net a Porter does quite a bit to maintain good
relationships with the Perl community and I've heard a lot of good
things about them in the past from friends working there.
It sounds like the recruitment agency could be the real
On 9 Dec 2011, at 10:57, Steve Mynott st...@gruntling.com wrote:
I've no particular reason to defend NAP or doubt your story but publically
publishing complaints about recruitment doesn't strike me as professional.
Shit happens. Deal with it. We have all been messed around.
Save the
Rudolf Lippan writes:
Good morning, Perl Mongers,
Hi Rudolf. Thanks for the warning, and sorry to hear that you're out of
a job you'd been expecting.
This is a followup to my post to the Perl jobs-discuss mailing list.
Terrence picked it up here:
On 09/12/2011, at 22:25, Ian Knopke ian.kno...@gmail.com wrote:
Actually, I'm finding this quite informative.
The whole corporate behaviour thing is pretty interesting. When I do research
on the topic, me and my ethics committee are generally pretty careful about the
who and how we mention
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Steve Mynott st...@gruntling.com wrote:
On Thu, Dec 08, 2011 at 10:13:49PM -0500, Rudolf Lippan typed:
About six weeks ago, I was contacted by a recruiter and asked if I was
interested in a team lead position in New Jersey, and so begins my story.
I've no
On 9 December 2011 11:42, Smylers smyl...@stripey.com wrote:
Rudolf Lippan writes:
[...]
3) That NET-A-PORTER was aware that I let another opportunity go based
on my understanding that my employment was pending a 'final
signature'.
[...]
4) That as a condition of final sign off [...] I
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Steve Mynott st...@gruntling.com wrote:
On Thu, Dec 08, 2011 at 10:13:49PM -0500, Rudolf Lippan typed:
About six weeks ago, I was contacted by a recruiter and asked if I was
interested in a team lead position in New Jersey, and so begins my story.
I've no
Kieren Diment writes:
My worst recruitment experience resulted in me getting a small cheque
at the end for my expenses after I had a whine at them (and their
overly elaborate recruitment process).
Oooh, is this a competition? That's reminded me of the time I didn't
even get the expenses
Quite right, careless phrasing, I shall re-work it:
Building a team in the apparently UK costs half what it does in the US? Wow,
and I thought all the IT projects were moving to India, (or Ireland...)!
Seriously, if some of these managers could get their heads around leveraging
the power of
On 9 December 2011 12:53, Smylers smyl...@stripey.com wrote:
Leo, I appreciate your point about not naming employers before they've
had a reasonable time to respond. The above events took place on 2000
August 29th -- is 11 years long enough? (If so, I'd like to name the
employer as 'The
On 9 Dec 2011, at 12:51, Jones, Christopher c.jo...@ucl.ac.uk wrote:
And anyway if NAP don't like this being made public, they should get their
shit together and call the disgruntled parties to explain themselves.
Alternatively, they equally have to accept that Shit happens. Deal with it.
On Fri, Dec 09, 2011 at 01:57:56PM +0100, Richard Foley wrote:
Seriously, if some of these managers could get their heads around leveraging
the power of telecommuting project teams, they'd not have to worry too much
about the respective costs of having a team in any one country.
This idea
Will Crawford writes:
On 9 December 2011 12:53, Smylers smyl...@stripey.com wrote:
Leo, I appreciate your point about not naming employers before
they've had a reasonable time to respond. The above events took
place on 2000 August 29th -- is 11 years long enough? (If so, I'd
like to
On 9 Dec 2011, at 13:10, James Laver wrote:
On 9 Dec 2011, at 12:51, Jones, Christopher c.jo...@ucl.ac.uk
wrote:
And anyway if NAP don't like this being made public, they should
get their shit together and call the disgruntled parties to explain
themselves. Alternatively, they equally
Apologies in advance for asking a perl question.
Laziness/Impatience:
Does anyone have a perl Excel converter they would be prepared to send me? I
would like to convert Excel 2002/2003 .xls files to Excel 2007/2010 .xlsx files
maintaining all formatting. I know there are non-perl free
The Guardian's Corrections and Clarifications are often worth reading.
This is one of my personal favourites:
A rigid application of the Guardian style guide caused us to say of
Carlo Ponti in his obituary, page 34, January 11, that in his early
career he was already a man with a good eye for
Yet again it's time for dim sum! This time we will have an extra
special guest from across the pond: Jesse Vincent. Come have dim
sum with us:
Pearl Liang
8 Sheldon Square, W2 6EZ
http://london.randomness.org.uk/wiki.cgi?Pearl_Liang%2C_W2_6EZ
http://www.pearlliang.co.uk/
Tuesday 13th
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 4:09 AM, Uri Guttman u...@stemsystems.com wrote:
On 12/09/2011 02:58 AM, Rudolf Lippan wrote:
On Friday, December 09, 2011 at 02:23:22 AM, Avleen Vig wrote:
My understanding is that NAP had a very hard time finding people in the
US---I know I passed their posts
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 2:49 AM, Richard Foley richard.fo...@rfi.net wrote:
UK programmers are half the cost of US programmer? Wow, and I thought all
the
IT jobs were moving to India!
Maybe it's time to move back to the UK, where the beer is warm and the
girls
are...
The true answer, of
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 2:49 AM, Richard Foley richard.fo...@rfi.net wrote:
UK programmers are half the cost of US programmer? Wow, and I thought all
the
IT jobs were moving to India!
Maybe it's time to move back to the UK, where the beer is warm and the
girls
are...
The true answer, of
On 09/12/2011 13:10, James Laver wrote:
You've never dealt with a vulturous recruiter, have you?
Is there any other kind of recruiter?
On Dec 9, 2011 8:22 AM, David Cantrell da...@cantrell.org.uk wrote:
On Fri, Dec 09, 2011 at 01:57:56PM +0100, Richard Foley wrote:
Seriously, if some of these managers could get their heads around
leveraging
the power of telecommuting project teams, they'd not have to worry too
much
about
On 9 December 2011 14:24, Jason Clifford ja...@ukfsn.org wrote:
On 09/12/2011 13:10, James Laver wrote:
You've never dealt with a vulturous recruiter, have you?
Is there any other kind of recruiter?
If had some dealings with a company I consider a good recruiter.
Although in fairness, last
Hi there,
I'm an employee at NET-A-PORTER. I've been asked to forward the
response from our head of recruitment, which I've pasted in full
below.
I've also posted this to the Perl Jobs discussion list.
(I was unable to continue the thread there as I wasn't a member of
that list until earlier
Oh oh, sounds tasty... and I just happen to be getting into London
at about noon, so I may be a bit late but I'll be there!
-Mallory
On Fri, Dec 09, 2011 at 01:55:49PM +, Leon Brocard wrote:
Yet again it's time for dim sum!
On 12/09/2011 09:08 AM, Avleen Vig wrote:
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 4:09 AM, Uri Guttmanu...@stemsystems.com wrote:
On 12/09/2011 02:58 AM, Rudolf Lippan wrote:
On Friday, December 09, 2011 at 02:23:22 AM, Avleen Vig wrote:
My understanding is that NAP had a very hard time finding
On 12/09/2011 09:32 AM, Avleen Vig wrote:
Not entirely true. Telecommuting doesnt erect barriers, it results in
different barriers which need ti be handled differently.
I worked for a distributed company for almost to years. Since then I've
worked from home for almost 18 months. It's not more
On 9 December 2011 13:55, Leon Brocard a...@astray.com wrote:
Yet again it's time for dim sum! This time we will have an extra
special guest from across the pond: Jesse Vincent. Come have dim
sum with us:
Pearl Liang
8 Sheldon Square, W2 6EZ
On 9 December 2011 15:14, Uri Guttman u...@stemsystems.com wrote:
On 12/09/2011 09:32 AM, Avleen Vig wrote:
Not entirely true. Telecommuting doesnt erect barriers, it results in
different barriers which need ti be handled differently.
I worked for a distributed company for almost to years.
On Fri, 09 Dec 2011 04:09:00 -0500, Uri Guttman u...@stemsystems.com
wrote:
where did you get that figure? given the standard rate of 20% (and i
know since i recruit) or even less, that would mean a salary of over
250k which is ridiculous but for a handful of perl hackers i know about
On Fri, 9 Dec 2011 10:02:12 +, Leo Lapworth l...@cuckoo.org wrote:
Hi Raphael,
I am very sorry to hear of your situation.
That said, please could you give NaP a bit more time to get back to you
before this discussion goes any further on a public list.
I just saw your email, and I am
On 12/09/2011 10:36 AM, Jason Tang wrote:
On 9 December 2011 15:14, Uri Guttmanu...@stemsystems.com wrote:
On 12/09/2011 09:32 AM, Avleen Vig wrote:
Not entirely true. Telecommuting doesnt erect barriers, it results in
different barriers which need ti be handled differently.
I worked for
On 12/09/2011 10:48 AM, Rudy Lippan wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2011 04:09:00 -0500, Uri Guttmanu...@stemsystems.com
wrote:
i don't have a deal with NaP so i can't say anything about this
blowup. but i wouldn't ever keep someone from taking the bird in the
hand. it is unprofessional and #^#^@ed
Exactly.
I have been lucky in that I have been able to pick and choose among
positions.
I may have damaged my reputation with some companies by posting, and I may
have harder time finding work now.
-r
On Fri, 9 Dec 2011 12:46:41 +, Will Crawford
billcrawford1...@gmail.com wrote:
On 9
Hi All,
Do continue discussing general recruiters, processes, remote working
etc, but please start a new thread.
Everyone has had a chance to comment on the specifics of this,
including NaP. I think Rudy and NaP can now take this into a private
discussion, we don't need a he said/she said back
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Rudy Lippan rlip...@remotelinux.com wrote:
I just saw your email, and I am fine with that. I await their response.
I've shared NAPs response in this thread and on the Perl Jobs discussion list.
[
I couldn't agree with you more, Uri. When anyone mentions Telecommuting,
hackles seem to rise, it's like the religious wars between vi and emacs, perl
and java, mac + windoze, linux + the rest of the world, etc. I've worked in
many places both onsite and offsite, and both situations have pros
On 9 Dec 2011, at 13:16, David Cantrell wrote:
On Fri, Dec 09, 2011 at 01:57:56PM +0100, Richard Foley wrote:
Seriously, if some of these managers could get their heads around leveraging
the power of telecommuting project teams, they'd not have to worry too much
about the respective costs
For a long while I thought telecommuting would be how I ended up
working eventually.
An interesting thing for me (as a Technical manager and developer) is
that over time I've come to think that this would only really work if
the whole team/company was distributed.
It's the passing comments and
On 12/09/2011 12:03 PM, Richard Foley wrote:
I couldn't agree with you more, Uri. When anyone mentions Telecommuting,
hackles seem to rise, it's like the religious wars between vi and emacs, perl
and java, mac + windoze, linux + the rest of the world, etc. I've worked in
many places both
Leo Nails it. Working all the time with large distributed teams means that you
create several virtual water coolersand use chat/query channels for the cup
of tea/break discussions and laid back silliness we all need to keep us
[in]sane.
I add my 2 pence to your 2 cents making a grand total of
On 9 Dec 2011, at 18:23, Mark Keating m.keat...@shadowcat.co.uk wrote:
Leo Nails it. Working all the time with large distributed teams means that
you create several virtual water coolersand use chat/query channels for the
cup of tea/break discussions and laid back silliness we all need to
Recently I was surprised by the following (from a talk by Greg Wilson):
Physical distance doesn’t affect post-release fault rates but Distance
in the organisational chart does.
Nagappan et all (2007) and Bird et al (2009)
Based on all the data from building Windows Vista. An enormous volume of
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 14:11, Avleen Vig avl...@gmail.com wrote:
The true answer, of course, depends on your definition of half.
US salaries (use payroll expense) is much higher than in the UK.
Where in London I would pay a programmer or sysadmin about £45k - £55k, in
New York I would pay at
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