Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel

2008-09-03 Thread Matt S Trout
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 06:57:53PM +0100, Martin A. Brooks wrote: > Dave Cross wrote: > >>A flat fee of £500 is offered plus on-going support and maintenance at a > >>rate to be agreed. > >> > > > >You're saying that you think this is one (or, at a push, two) day's > >work. Does that sound rig

Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel

2008-09-02 Thread Ian Malpass
David Cantrell wrote: On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 09:39:51PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: And, in no way related to Martin, but related to software value, http://notalwaysright.com/thickheaded-as-thieves/739 " We'd be delighted to send you a new registration code. For security reasons we

Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel

2008-09-02 Thread David Cantrell
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 09:39:51PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: > And, in no way related to Martin, but related to software value, > http://notalwaysright.com/thickheaded-as-thieves/739 " We'd be delighted to send you a new registration code. For security reasons we need to post it. What

Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel

2008-09-01 Thread Martin A. Brooks
Leo Lapworth wrote: Hi Martin, Thank you for using Perl - and thank you for offering people the chance to work on your project. I hope you are successful in finding someone. You must be new here :) I have spoken today with an LPMer who's interested in taking on the work. His assessment of t

Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel

2008-09-01 Thread Andy Wardley
Chris Jack wrote: Rumour is Ross Perot made his billions on change requests... I love that clown act he does. A

Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel

2008-09-01 Thread Chris Jack
Greg McCarroll wrote: > I personally reckon he'll get a taker, and I'm not sure either of them > will be fully satisfied, but thats ok. And of course you can always > suggest to Martin you'll do it for more as a counter offer. > What's maybe more interesting is the value/cost people put on fixed

Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel

2008-09-01 Thread Leo Lapworth
Hi Martin, Thank you for using Perl - and thank you for offering people the chance to work on your project. I hope you are successful in finding someone. Leo

Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel

2008-09-01 Thread Martin A. Brooks
Simon Wilcox wrote: Do you have a detailed spec and/or UI design completed or would this be part of the work you want doing ? I have a reasonable story-board for how I would want the panel to work, it's not entirely complete. The UI design work will be done as templates by the aforementione

Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel

2008-09-01 Thread Simon Wilcox
Hi Martin, Martin A. Brooks wrote: We are looking for a Perl programmer to develop a customer-facing web control panel for our antispam and antivirus mail filtering service. Currently, all configuration is done via a combination of database (postgres) and flat text files. We would like to ha

Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel

2008-08-31 Thread Peter Corlett
On 31 Aug 2008, at 22:25, Martin A. Brooks wrote: Peter Corlett wrote: I would also estimate it to take about a day or so. £500 would therefore be a reasonable estimate at the typical market rate of £300-400/day for a Perl contractor. So why the "moon on a stick" comment? Er, because you'r

Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel

2008-08-31 Thread Tony Kennick
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 08:07:10PM +0100, the following was promulgated by Peter Corlett: > On 31 Aug 2008, at 18:53, Martin A. Brooks wrote: > [...] > >>Someone with a decent CRUD framework should be able to get something > >>up and running in that time, surely? > >Peter would seem to disagree th

Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel

2008-08-31 Thread Martin A. Brooks
Peter Corlett wrote: I would also estimate it to take about a day or so. £500 would therefore be a reasonable estimate at the typical market rate of £300-400/day for a Perl contractor. So why the "moon on a stick" comment? However, you're after a fixed-price job, which costs more because the

Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel

2008-08-31 Thread Greg McCarroll
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 08:30:07PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: > On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 08:07:10PM +0100, Peter Corlett wrote: > > > > However, you're after a fixed-price job, which costs more because the > > contractor is taking on the extra risk of the job going pear-shaped > > for reasons

Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel

2008-08-31 Thread Andy Wardley
Dirk Koopman wrote: I agree. This is something that people that want fixed prices never seem to factor in. The other thing they often forget is "fixed spec". I've had clients who think that "fixed price" equates to an all-you-can-eat buffet with an open bar. A

Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel

2008-08-31 Thread Greg McCarroll
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 08:07:10PM +0100, Peter Corlett wrote: > > However, you're after a fixed-price job, which costs more because the > contractor is taking on the extra risk of the job going pear-shaped > for reasons outside their control. And IMO, £500 isn't enough to cover > that risk.

Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel

2008-08-31 Thread Dirk Koopman
Peter Corlett wrote: On 31 Aug 2008, at 18:53, Martin A. Brooks wrote: [...] Someone with a decent CRUD framework should be able to get something up and running in that time, surely? Peter would seem to disagree there. I would also estimate it to take about a day or so. £500 would therefore

Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel

2008-08-31 Thread Peter Corlett
On 31 Aug 2008, at 18:53, Martin A. Brooks wrote: [...] Someone with a decent CRUD framework should be able to get something up and running in that time, surely? Peter would seem to disagree there. I would also estimate it to take about a day or so. £500 would therefore be a reasonable esti

Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel

2008-08-31 Thread Martin A. Brooks
Dave Cross wrote: A flat fee of £500 is offered plus on-going support and maintenance at a rate to be agreed. You're saying that you think this is one (or, at a push, two) day's work. Does that sound right? Yes. -- Martin A. Brooks | http://www.antibodymx.net/ | Anti-spam& anti-

Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel

2008-08-31 Thread Martin A. Brooks
Dave Hodgkinson wrote: So that's about 10 hours work then. Yep, that was my rough estimate. Someone with a decent CRUD framework should be able to get something up and running in that time, surely? Peter would seem to disagree there. And does your monkey have a feces bucket? I expect I

Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel

2008-08-31 Thread Dave Cross
Martin A. Brooks wrote: [ snip ] > A flat fee of £500 is offered plus on-going support and maintenance at a > rate to be agreed. You're saying that you think this is one (or, at a push, two) day's work. Does that sound right? Dave...

Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel

2008-08-31 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
On 31 Aug 2008, at 17:54, Martin A. Brooks wrote: Hi We are looking for a Perl programmer to develop a customer-facing web control panel for our antispam and antivirus mail filtering service. Currently, all configuration is done via a combination of database (postgres) and flat text file

Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel

2008-08-31 Thread Peter Corlett
On 31 Aug 2008, at 18:22, Bob Walker wrote: [...] surely a metal pole would be more useful for spit roasting the pony. I'm getting all the wrong mental images here.

Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel

2008-08-31 Thread Bob Walker
On Sun, 31 Aug 2008, Peter Corlett wrote: Do you want a pony on a stick with that? surely a metal pole would be more useful for spit roasting the pony. -- Bob Walker http://london.randomness.org.uk - http://tech.randomness.org.uk http://rwc.randomness.org.uk- http://londonjoinery.com for

Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel

2008-08-31 Thread Martin A. Brooks
Peter Corlett wrote: On 31 Aug 2008, at 17:54, Martin A. Brooks wrote: [...] A flat fee of £500 is offered plus on-going support and maintenance at a rate to be agreed. Do you want a pony on a stick with that? No, not needed. Thanks. -- Martin A. Brooks | http://www.antibodymx.net/ | A

Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel

2008-08-31 Thread Peter Corlett
On 31 Aug 2008, at 17:54, Martin A. Brooks wrote: [...] A flat fee of £500 is offered plus on-going support and maintenance at a rate to be agreed. Do you want a pony on a stick with that?

[job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel

2008-08-31 Thread Martin A. Brooks
Hi We are looking for a Perl programmer to develop a customer-facing web control panel for our antispam and antivirus mail filtering service. Currently, all configuration is done via a combination of database (postgres) and flat text files. We would like to have a secure, intuitive and user-