I was reading Mr Cantrell's Free Press and was very amused and impressed by
the section on Religion.
http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/religion/
It reminded me of a long run of visits I had from some JW's when I was
doing my finals in 1997 (a man needs some distraction when studying and I
hadn't
* James Campbell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
When it comes to religion I think Hitler had some interesting ideas.
Note to self - write Acme::Siesta::Plugin::GodwinsLaw
Greg
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>
> When it comes to religion I think Hitler had some interesting ideas.
Love it :-) What a nice generic way to end arguments before they've
started :-)
> It reminded me of a long run of visits I had from some JW's when I was
> doing my finals in 1997 (a man needs some distraction when studying and
I
> hadn't found Perl then... Oh, and the woman was a babe). They wanted to
> convert me to Christianity and I wanted to convert them to Atheism.
Seem
On 05/09/2003 at 12:54 +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
When it comes to religion I think Hitler had some interesting ideas.
Love it :-) What a nice generic way to end arguments before they've
started :-)
It would be if he understood what Godwin's Law actually said.
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/use
Jonathan Peterson wrote:
P.S. The play Jumpers by Stoppard is on at the NT right now. Deals with
just this topic in a highly clever and amusing way.
Natch clever and amusing (and probably incomprehensible without several
degrees and as-yet-undeveloped hypermedia technology), it's Tom Stoppard.
H
Er, who was it who said "If you educate people without religion you create
clever little devils"?
I don't think I dreamt it.
James
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Je 2003-09-05 14:37:02 +0100, James Campbell skribis:
> Er, who was it who said "If you educate people without religion you create
> clever little devils"?
Perhaps the world's scriptures are lacking in advocating basic search
engine usage.
http://www.princeton.edu/~gcu/quotes.htm
("Arthur Wellesl
Je 2003-09-05 14:37:02 +0100, James Campbell skribis:
> Er, who was it who said "If you educate people without religion you create
> clever little devils"?
I was going to say that it was first on the list of google results but
Paul beat me to it.
How can devils exist without religion?
Ob buffy.
>("Arthur Wellesley was the Duke of Wellington")
Thanks
>How can devils exist without religion?
Quite!
James Campbell wrote:
> "If God created the universe, who created God?"
God didn't create the universe. God is the universe.
That's about the only thing that all the religious texts can agree on -
that "God", or whatever name you chose for the concept, is omniprescient
and omnipotent. This i
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 01:13:06PM +0100, Paul Mison wrote:
> On 05/09/2003 at 12:54 +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
> >>
> >> When it comes to religion I think Hitler had some interesting ideas.
Of course, the correct way to do this is:
| When it comes to religion, I think Hitler had some inter
On Friday, September 5, 2003, 3:50:07 PM, Andy Wardley wrote:
AW> James Campbell wrote:
>> "If God created the universe, who created God?"
AW> God didn't create the universe. God is the universe.
AW> That's about the only thing that all the religious texts can agree on -
AW> that "God", or w
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 01:02:52PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
> > "If God created the universe, who created God?"
> >
>
> That's one of the more interesting questions. The medieval theologians
> charactarised God as the 'prime mover', i.e. the first in a causal chain
> of events. It's not
On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Iain Tatch wrote:
> Only in Monotheistic religions, and the only one of those that's got any
> substantial following in this country is Judaism. One of my favourite
> Christian-baiting tactics (when I'm in that sort of mood) is to put
> forward my proposition that they have a p
Je 2003-09-05 16:06:15 +0100, Iain Tatch skribis:
> Only in Monotheistic religions, and the only one of those that's got
> any substantial following in this country is Judaism.
What country? Perhaps you were misled into thinking this list is
populated entirely by Brits... 'Fraid not, the Empire ha
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 04:31:37PM +0100, Paul Makepeace wrote:
> Je 2003-09-05 16:06:15 +0100, Iain Tatch skribis:
> > Only in Monotheistic religions, and the only one of those that's got
> > any substantial following in this country is Judaism.
i don't know what modern Judaism says about it, but
Oh Christ!
What have I done...
James
On Friday, September 5, 2003, 4:31:37 PM, Paul Makepeace wrote:
PM> Islam is quite a popular monotheistic religion in the UK, six times more
PM> so than Judaism in England.
Islam, monotheistic?
You really think so?
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On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 01:29:02PM +0100, Tim Sweetman wrote:
> all. At which point I want to throw the following at Mr Stoppard, but I
> don't have a time machine:
Mr Stoppard is alive and well.
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On Friday, September 5, 2003, 4:34:16 PM, Jason Clifford wrote:
>> Then you've got a couple of other major deities such as the Virgin Mary
>> (especially revered in Catholicism) and Satan, and a host of minor gods
>> who they usually name "saints".
JC> Neither is a God. Mary is human and that's i
Je 2003-09-05 16:54:30 +0100, Iain Tatch skribis:
> On Friday, September 5, 2003, 4:31:37 PM, Paul Makepeace wrote:
>
> PM> Islam is quite a popular monotheistic religion in the UK, six times more
> PM> so than Judaism in England.
>
> Islam, monotheistic?
>
> You really think so?
Jeez, come on
Andy Wardley wrote:
>God didn't create the universe. God is the universe.
Yeah, but what created God?
James
(who is definately going to hell for this)
On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Iain Tatch wrote:
> If he / she / it is worshipped, then regardless of what name they're
> given, I still maintain it's a god.
While some people fall into that trap there are not many Catholics who
worshop Mary at all. Certainly the official position of the Church is that
d
Phil Lanch wrote:
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 01:29:02PM +0100, Tim Sweetman wrote:
all. At which point I want to throw the following at Mr Stoppard, but I
don't have a time machine:
Mr Stoppard is alive and well.
I know that, but the sources in question postdate "Jumpers". Talented as
Mr Stoppard i
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 05/09/2003 16:06:15:
> On Friday, September 5, 2003, 3:50:07 PM, Andy Wardley wrote:
>
> AW> James Campbell wrote:
> >> "If God created the universe, who created God?"
>
> AW> God didn't create the universe. God is the universe.
>
> Only in Monotheistic religions,
Jason Clifford wrote:
On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Iain Tatch wrote:
If he / she / it is worshipped, then regardless of what name they're
given, I still maintain it's a god.
While some people fall into that trap there are not many Catholics who
worshop Mary at all. Certainly the official position of the C
On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Robin Berjon wrote:
> You are being presented an external view yet answer with theology -- theology is
> of little importance to the external eye. The old Egyptian/Kemetic religion is
> often called polytheistic, when in fact their theology claims that there is only
> one Di
On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Jason Clifford wrote:
> She's no more a God than Madonna is. Do those who adore Madonna generally
> do so as a god?
I dunno. Is Guy Richie subbed to the list ?
S.
On 05/09/2003 at 18:29 +0200, Robin Berjon wrote:
Jason Clifford wrote:
She's no more a God than Madonna is. Do those who adore Madonna
generally do so as a god?
Dunno. She sure looks good in some of those leather outfits.
On the other hand, in the latest video she really manages to look her
ag
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 12:35:47PM +0100, James Campbell wrote:
> I was reading Mr Cantrell's Free Press and was very amused and impressed by
> the section on Religion.
.
.
.
> Uh-oh, is that a massive bolt of...
What has this got to do with Ben's message on "Bad C Source"?
Just curious.
Nichol
James Campbell wrote:
I was reading Mr Cantrell's Free Press and was very amused and impressed by
the section on Religion.
http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/religion/
And it's due for a re-write. It's been due for a re-write for ages, but
I just can't be bothered. Most of the content there is
On Friday, September 5, 2003, 5:08:00 PM, Paul Makepeace wrote:
PM> http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/features/beginner/index.shtml
PM> ``You have to believe that there is only one God, Allah, who created the
PM> entire universe, and that Muhammad (peace be upon him) is his final
PM>
Nicholas Clark wrote:
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 12:35:47PM +0100, James Campbell wrote:
I was reading Mr Cantrell's Free Press and was very amused and impressed by
the section on Religion.
.
.
.
Uh-oh, is that a massive bolt of...
What has this got to do with Ben's message on "Bad C Source"?
Ju
Paul Mison wrote:
On 05/09/2003 at 18:29 +0200, Robin Berjon wrote:
Jason Clifford wrote:
She's no more a God than Madonna is. Do those who adore Madonna
generally do so as a god?
Dunno. She sure looks good in some of those leather outfits.
On the other hand, in the latest video she really manage
Andy Wardley wrote:
> That's about the only thing that all the religious texts can agree on -
> that "God", or whatever name you chose for the concept, is omniprescient
> and omnipotent. This implies that God is everywhere and in everything and
> there can be nothing that is "outside of God".
I
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 04:34:16PM +0100, Jason Clifford wrote:
> Christianity is a derived form of Judaism. It teaches that there is one
> God and that's it.
Not quite. It teaches that YHWH is the only *true* God, but the Hebrew
Scriptures are full of stories of other gods.
Tony
I wrote:
> God didn't create the universe. God is the universe.
James Campbell wrote:
> Yeah, but what created God?
God's parents of course, Mr and Mrs God.
A
Jason Clifford wrote:
On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Robin Berjon wrote:
Dunno. She sure looks good in some of those leather outfits.
A god of slaughtered cows? ;)
Nah, radiocative decay. A cowium atom decays into several steakiums and
some leatherium, plus a handful of neutrinos, a loud moo and some blood.
Andy Wardley wrote:
In fact, I wasn't being entirely serious. Well, half-serious.
I like my definition of God == Universe because it works for me.
But the whole point of religion/spirituality/belief is that it is entirely
personal. It should be based on your own beliefs, not on what anyone
else
On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, David Cantrell wrote:
> Furrfu, why do people have to keep inventing deities for perfectly
> simple natural processes? And why isn't there a God Of Having A Really
> Big Dump, You Know, The Ones Where You Just Have To Get It Out But
> Strain And Strain As Much As You Like It J
On Friday, September 5, 2003, at 11:39 AM, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
Hence also the central tenet 'There is no God but God'.
and here all this time i thought it went "the tao that can be named is
not the true tao."
/me ducks
It's worth remembering that most of the
saints were created in Christ
On Friday, September 5, 2003, at 12:42 PM, Jason Clifford wrote:
How often are stereotypes correct?
rather often. it's how they become stereotypes, you know. ;-)
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 10:47:13AM -0700, Paul Sharpe wrote:
> Nicholas Clark wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 12:35:47PM +0100, James Campbell wrote:
> >
> >>I was reading Mr Cantrell's Free Press and was very amused and impressed by
> >>the section on Religion.
> >
> > .
> > .
> > .
> >
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 04:34:16PM +0100, Jason Clifford wrote:
> > For a start there's the three they get into enough trouble with just by
> > admitting their existence: God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit (whatever that is).
>
> One being - three persons.
It's funny how everyone forgets that there are
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 06:35:29PM +0100, Iain Tatch wrote:
> I know what Muslims believe, and what the Koran teaches. However just
> because someone utters a statement such as "There is no God but Allah. The
> Prophets merely carry his word" doesn't mean that they aren't treating the
> Prophets in
On Sat, 6 Sep 2003, Earle Martin wrote:
> > > For a start there's the three they get into enough trouble with just by
> > > admitting their existence: God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit (whatever that is).
> >
> > One being - three persons.
>
> It's funny how everyone forgets that there are actually br
On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 04:01:14PM +0100, Jason Clifford wrote:
> > It's funny how everyone forgets that there are actually branches of
> > Christianity that *don't* believe in the trinitarian doctrine.
>
> Which ones and what do they believe?
More than I ever knew about the subject:
http://www.
On Sat, 6 Sep 2003, Earle Martin wrote:
> More than I ever knew about the subject:
>
> http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarianism
>
> I count myself as a Unitarian Universalist.
>
> http://www.uua.org/aboutuu/uufaq.html
Of the two urls the second seemed to contain more answers whereas the
fir
Jason Clifford wrote:
>
> Christianity is a derived form of Judaism. It teaches that there is one
> God and that's it.
Nope -- Christianity is a derived form of Zorostrianism, with a few
Judaic influences, since Jesus was Jew. Note that Judaism was itself
heavily influenced by Zorostrianism, es
Rafael Garcia-Suarez [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoth:
*> - that circle of light behind the head of saints (what's the english
*> word ?)
Halo or nimbus :)
e.
On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 04:12:49AM -0500, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote:
> Rafael Garcia-Suarez [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoth:
> *> - that circle of light behind the head of saints (what's the english
> *> word ?)
> Halo or nimbus :)
The difference being, IIRC, that a halo is a simple ring, a nimbus has
s
> Furrfu, why do people have to keep inventing deities for perfectly
> simple natural processes? And why isn't there a God Of Having A Really
> Big Dump, You Know, The Ones Where You Just Have To Get It Out But
> Strain And Strain As Much As You Like It Just Doesn't Want To Move?
>
Talking a
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 02:56:23PM -0500, Nigel Hamilton wrote:
> If you happened to mention the Great Lord's Name, 'Kibo', in your Usenet
> post, you might be blessed with a reply from the Great Lord himself!
AFAIK I have a Kibo Number[0] of 2. Surely someone here can beat that?
[0] http://c2.co
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