On 04/12/2013 10:53, James Laver wrote:
I always wondered why ‘monkey’ was a bright blue. http://monkey.bikeshed.org/
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8318911/why-does-html-think-chucknorris-is-a-color
So.. some of you might know I quite like bikes.. I now have a proper
bikeshed (or at least I will once I've built and attached the doors
tonight) - and I was hoping you nice people could give me some helpful
suggestions.
Thanks in advance,
A.
--
Aaron J Trevena, BSc Hons
http
There's a helpful site at http://red.bikeshed.org/ ... no, wait, ...
http://blue.bikeshed.org/ which might help.
On 3 December 2013 14:14, Aaron Trevena aaron.trev...@gmail.com wrote:
So.. some of you might know I quite like bikes.. I now have a proper
bikeshed (or at least I will once I've
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Aaron Trevena aaron.trev...@gmail.comwrote:
So.. some of you might know I quite like bikes.. I now have a proper
bikeshed (or at least I will once I've built and attached the doors
tonight) - and I was hoping you nice people could give me some helpful
On Tue, Dec 03, 2013 at 02:14:40PM +, Aaron Trevena wrote:
So.. some of you might know I quite like bikes.. I now have a proper
bikeshed (or at least I will once I've built and attached the doors
tonight) - and I was hoping you nice people could give me some helpful
suggestions
On Tue, Dec 03, 2013 at 02:14:40PM +, Aaron Trevena wrote:
So.. some of you might know I quite like bikes.. I now have a proper
bikeshed (or at least I will once I've built and attached the doors
tonight) - and I was hoping you nice people could give me some helpful
suggestions
On Tue, Dec 03, 2013 at 02:14:40PM +, Aaron Trevena wrote:
So.. some of you might know I quite like bikes.. I now have a proper
bikeshed (or at least I will once I've built and attached the doors
tonight) - and I was hoping you nice people could give me some helpful
suggestions.
The last one
On Tue, 3 Dec 2013, Aaron Trevena wrote:
So.. some of you might know I quite like bikes.. I now have a proper
bikeshed (or at least I will once I've built and attached the doors
tonight) - and I was hoping you nice people could give me some helpful
suggestions.
Thanks in advance,
my
On 4 December 2013 03:30, Will Crawford billcrawford1...@gmail.com wrote:
There's a helpful site at http://red.bikeshed.org/ ... no, wait, ...
http://blue.bikeshed.org/ which might help.
I would just like to convey my disappointment that mauve.bikeshed.org
renders as blue.
--
Kent
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Kent Fredric kentfred...@gmail.com wrote:
I would just like to convey my disappointment that mauve.bikeshed.org
renders as blue.
Wait 'til you see http://cream.bikeshed.org/
I think we should table a meeting to discuss a revised painting review
process going
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Paul Makepeace pa...@paulm.com wrote:
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Kent Fredric kentfred...@gmail.com wrote:
I would just like to convey my disappointment that mauve.bikeshed.org
renders as blue.
Wait 'til you see http://cream.bikeshed.org/
I think we
On 4 December 2013 12:48, Paul Makepeace pa...@paulm.com wrote:
Wait 'til you see http://cream.bikeshed.org/
I think we should table a meeting to discuss a revised painting review
process going forward.
What the hell.
http://blanc.bikeshed.org/
Why is it mauve?
--
Kent
On 4 December 2013 13:40, Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes sthoe...@gmail.com wrote:
Is it spell correcting the domain names? It should use
Ah, I think I cracked it.
Its literally translating the domain name directly into the bgcolour=
field of a page.
And the colours we're providing simply aren't
On 4 Dec 2013, at 01:17, Kent Fredric kentfred...@gmail.com wrote:
On 4 December 2013 13:40, Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes sthoe...@gmail.com wrote:
Is it spell correcting the domain names? It should use
And the colours we're providing simply aren't in our browsers dictionary.
So ... its
Hi All,
Had a chat on #london.pm with Schmooster, Osfameron and tomboh on 23rd
of December regarding videos at Perl conferences and wondered if the
hivemind might have any further insight.
Most conferences video and put them online after the event, some have
even managed to stream live
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 09:45:25PM +, DAVID HODGKINSON wrote:
Would hurling a PBP test at the whole of CPAN to get a metric be of any
benefit?
That would violate the spirit of the PBP, which clearly states that
its rules shall not be taken as gospel, but as starting points to
make up
success, and the rest to specify
why there is a failure. And then the shell makes its boolean operators
do the right thing.
It be utter madness to have programs exit '0' on failure, and given
them 254 different exit values to indicate in which way they were
succesful.
Abigail
On 15 Dec 2012, at 08:40, Abigail abig...@abigail.be wrote:
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 09:45:25PM +, DAVID HODGKINSON wrote:
Would hurling a PBP test at the whole of CPAN to get a metric be of any
benefit?
That would violate the spirit of the PBP, which clearly states that
its
It should be fake, is impossible someone be so idiot.
On 12 December 2012 05:29, Uri Guttman u...@stemsystems.com wrote:
i can't say much about this but you have to look at the code here.
https://metacpan.org/author/PERLOOK/
in particular the boolean stuff is amazing and the print stuff
be so idiot.
On 12 December 2012 05:29, Uri Guttman u...@stemsystems.com wrote:
i can't say much about this but you have to look at the code here.
https://metacpan.org/author/PERLOOK/
in particular the boolean stuff is amazing and the print stuff isn't far
behind.
uri
--
If you’ve never
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 05:23:23PM +, Edmund von der Burg wrote:
Each language has its own idioms and ways to do things. In shell
scripting the while true ... done loop is one of them.
In Perl the equivalent would be while (1) { }
Although true is 0 in the shell ...
$ true;echo $?
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 09:45:25PM +, DAVID HODGKINSON wrote:
Would hurling a PBP test at the whole of CPAN to get a metric be of any
benefit?
It would certainly be interesting.
--
David Cantrell | even more awesome than a panda-fur coat
NANOG makes me want to unplug everything and
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 4:23 PM, David Cantrell da...@cantrell.org.uk wrote:
$ true echo it was true
This makes sense. Think of true as thing that succeeded rather
than OMG it's 0 so must be false!!1!
Ruby treats everything as true unless it's nil or false (so yes, 0 and
'' are true). Bit
Ug, what I get for sending a mail while still browsing it :P
-Mallory
some of the more obvious ones here,
though there are several other things you may want to look at. I see
several other people have volunteered help as well.
[...]
Wow, thanks for that Gareth. A very well written and comprehensive
email.
Andy
On 12 December 2012 21:45, DAVID HODGKINSON daveh...@gmail.com wrote:
Do we still have automated kwalitee on CPAN?
There is CPANTS (http://cpants.charsbar.org/index.html) which checks Kwalitee
Would hurling a PBP test at the whole of CPAN to get a metric be of any
benefit?
As already
: London.pm Perl M\[ou\]ngers
Subject: cpan you have to see
Sent: 12 Dec 2012 07:29
i can't say much about this but you have to look at the code here.
https://metacpan.org/author/PERLOOK/
in particular the boolean stuff is amazing and the print stuff isn't far
behind.
uri
--
From: Uri Guttman
Sender: london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org
To: london.pm@london.pm.org
ReplyTo: London.pm Perl M\[ou\]ngers
Subject: cpan you have to see
Sent: 12 Dec 2012 07:29
i can't say much about this but you have to look at the code here.
https://metacpan.org/author/PERLOOK
Wow, I have learned so much from reading that code!
(nothing about Perl however).
On 12 December 2012 07:29, Uri Guttman u...@stemsystems.com wrote:
i can't say much about this but you have to look at the code here.
https://metacpan.org/author/**PERLOOK/https://metacpan.org/author/PERLOOK
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Anthony Lucas anthonyjlu...@gmail.comwrote:
Flexible::Output::Printer
To be honest, it's not too different in intent from several other CPAN
modules - aliasing features to be more like other languages...
I am pretty curious about the return values, though:
I wouldn't really say mean…
The examples themselves trigger the module's own ridiculous failure conditions.
I have a hard time believing these aren't joke modules.
The interesting conversation here is about CPAN moderation and where people
stand on it.
I know it tends to be extremely liberal
conditions. I have a hard time believing these aren't joke modules.
The interesting conversation here is about CPAN moderation and where
people stand on it.
I know it tends to be extremely liberal, but when it comes to harmful
modules (if someone comes from another language, doesn't read the source
wrote:
I wouldn't really say mean…
The examples themselves trigger the module's own ridiculous failure
conditions. I have a hard time believing these aren't joke modules.
The interesting conversation here is about CPAN moderation and where
people stand on it.
I know it tends
#how_can_i_find_the_creation_date_of_a_file
is mean.
:-)
-- vish
On 12 December 2012 09:35, Anthony Lucas anthonyjlu...@gmail.com
wrote:
I wouldn't really say mean…
The examples themselves trigger the module's own ridiculous failure
conditions. I have a hard time believing these aren't joke
* Avishalom Shalit (avisha...@gmail.com) [121212 10:02]:
this
http://perl.plover.com/IAQ/IAQlist.html#how_can_i_find_the_creation_date_of_a_file
is mean.
:-)
hah funny! In so many ways broken and so dangerous!
I think the problem of the document is that is survives on internet,
while it
Perl M\[ou\]ngers
Subject: cpan you have to see
Sent: 12 Dec 2012 07:29
i can't say much about this but you have to look at the code here.
https://metacpan.org/author/PERLOOK/
in particular the boolean stuff is amazing and the print stuff isn't far
behind.
uri
* Avishalom Shalit (avisha...@gmail.com) [121212 11:01]:
How do I sort an array in reverse?
@sorted = sort reverse @array;
I do understand the jokes, because I have sufficient knowledge of Perl.
Horrible things get used.
Now guess: is the following a joke or in production code
On 12 Dec 2012, at 12:12, Leon Brocard a...@astray.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 02:29:24AM -0500, Uri Guttman wrote:
i can't say much about this but you have to look at the code here.
https://metacpan.org/author/PERLOOK/
I congratulate Alexej on joining the CPAN authors club
On 12 December 2012 12:19, Pedro Figueiredo m...@pedrofigueiredo.org wrote:
On 12 Dec 2012, at 12:12, Leon Brocard a...@astray.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 02:29:24AM -0500, Uri Guttman wrote:
i can't say much about this but you have to look at the code here.
https://metacpan.org
not to be amused. I think everyone saw the direction this
thread could have gone. I just hoped that we were able to honestly
converse about it, instead of shying away from the conversation.
That's also the reason I'm assuming Uri posted it.
Surely there should be interesting conversations about
. Instead of making
fun
of him on a mailing list why not engage with him and help him improve?
No one is really making fun of him. I just don't see the point in
pretending not to be amused. I think everyone saw the direction this
thread could have gone. I just hoped that we were able
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Joel Bernstein j...@fysh.org wrote:
I'm more concerned about who keeps the monkeys in their cages from
flinging their faeces around.
Custodiendam simia cacas!
--
Best Regards,
[Joseph] Christian Werner Sr
C 360.920.7183
H 757.304.0502
Txt 757.304.0502
On 12/12/2012 07:12 AM, Leon Brocard wrote:
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 02:29:24AM -0500, Uri Guttman wrote:
i can't say much about this but you have to look at the code here.
https://metacpan.org/author/PERLOOK/
I congratulate Alexej on joining the CPAN authors club. Instead of making fun
stream is writing code and yours is recruitment, so it's
expected I'm more likely to have to clean up messes.
/j
Okay, allow me to clarify what the TrueFalse module that I wrote is trying
to emulate. It's trying to emulate the 'true' and 'false' user commands
available under Linux.
Haven't you ever done something like this in Unix Shell?
while true; do ls /var/log/; sleep 5s; clear; done
The statment
uploading useless modules` instead.*
Is not a valid bug ticket, and it is not remotely funny. Imagine how all
of you would feel if you had just signed up for Cpan because you thought it
would be neat to be helpful and contribute something to the perl community
only to have the entire community
On 12 December 2012 17:05, Alexej Magura perl...@cpan.org wrote:
Okay, allow me to clarify what the TrueFalse module that I wrote is trying
to emulate. It's trying to emulate the 'true' and 'false' user commands
available under Linux.
Haven't you ever done something like this in Unix Shell?
and routines in 'B' to make it look more like 'A'.
Instead I should have embraced language 'B', written my code in the
'approved' style rather than a bastardised version trying to emulate
another.
It turned out it was neither cool, useful or sensible. It stopped me
embracing the new language, my code
-To: London.pm Perl M\[ou\]ngers london.pm@london.pm.org
Subject: Re: cpan you have to see
As for my rt replies, what did you expect I was gonna say: 'Oh, my bad I
wrote the worst module in the world and you're the king of all; here let me
just remove it real quick.'? Think again.
*When I call `true
I disagree - using $TRUE is fine! Perl was my first language and it makes
perfect sense to me.
More importantly: it seems the Perl community has lost it's warmth and
communal, welcoming, nature - maybe since it's a falling empire, people
have gotten rude and boorish? I don't know, but I am
appreciate all the effort that people put into their Perl
modules on the CPAN. It, as you have just pointed out, can be a thankless
task. So thank you.
Mark.
use them, but I can see what you're trying to accomplish).
Style/function/speed wise there certainly are a few areas which you
may want to address. I'll explain some of the more obvious ones here,
though there are several other things you may want to look at. I see
several other people have
On 12 December 2012 17:57, Joseph Werner telco...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Gareth Harper spansh+lon...@gmail.com
wrote:
PBP and I disagree with you on this one, Gareth. When a sub does a
return 0; to a list context, that is interpreted as true. A bare
return; is
On 12 December 2012 15:57, Uri Guttman u...@stemsystems.com wrote:
On 12/12/2012 07:12 AM, Leon Brocard wrote:
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 02:29:24AM -0500, Uri Guttman wrote:
i can't say much about this but you have to look at the code here.
https://metacpan.org/author/PERLOOK/
I
() { ... }
But not many people seem to remember that. :)
Programming Perl has this to say:
Speakers of a natural language are allowed to have differing skill levels, to
speak different subsets of the language, to learn as they go, and, generally,
to put the language to good use before they know the whole
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:57:39AM -0500, Uri Guttman wrote:
On 12/12/2012 07:12 AM, Leon Brocard wrote:
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 02:29:24AM -0500, Uri Guttman wrote:
i can't say much about this but you have to look at the code here.
https://metacpan.org/author/PERLOOK/
I congratulate Alexej
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Gareth Harper spansh+lon...@gmail.comwrote:
On 12 December 2012 17:57, Joseph Werner telco...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Gareth Harper spansh+lon...@gmail.com
wrote:
PBP and I disagree with you on this one, Gareth. When a sub does a
Hi Alex,
I'm sorry that you've had a bad initial experience of CPAN and now of
this mailing list.
On 12 December 2012 17:21, Alexej Magura perl...@cpan.org wrote:
As for my rt replies, what did you expect I was gonna say: 'Oh, my bad I
wrote the worst module in the world and you're the king of
the cabal should be really be coding Perl. Anyone new to
Perl should be an instant expert, or at the very least, bend over and
hand the lube to the nearest cabeller.
Then later you should have some threads on why more new people aren't
coming to Perl and this community, and how you can't really
experienced, this is how you do things.
Lyle, you posted a rude, unconstructive message. Your rudeness
contrasts with the polite, helpful replies that London.pm members
have written to Alexej.
If you can't behave reasonably on this list, please take your
delusional conspiracy theories elsewhere
of
others. Then again, my primary income stream is writing code and
yours is recruitment, so it's expected I'm more likely to have to
clean up messes.
you still have strange views of my career. i have worked with some of
the ugliest code and team(mis)work in existence. i have recently been
doing
On 12/12/2012 12:57 PM, Joseph Werner wrote:
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Gareth Harper spansh+lon...@gmail.com wrote:
PBP and I disagree with you on this one, Gareth. When a sub does a
return 0; to a list context, that is interpreted as true. A bare
return; is best practice.
and i
is writing code and
yours is recruitment, so it's expected I'm more likely to have to
clean up messes.
you still have strange views of my career. i have worked with some of
the ugliest code and team(mis)work in existence.
I asked you both not to bicker on the list last week, yet you're at it
again
Peter Sergeant p...@clueball.com wrote:
the idea that you should always use a
bare *return()* is far from universally accepted - you can bite yourself
just as easily in reverse by using bare return, and getting an empty list
where you expected a false or undefined value:
I agree. The talk I
= (scalar foo (1), scalar foo (2));
just in case someone at sometime wants to call this in list context
and then have an empty list.
That's a price I'm not willing to pay. Foreach function, I will make
a pragmatic choice, in some cases a plain return is the way to go,
and sometime it isn't
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Uri Guttman u...@stemsystems.com wrote:
then the caller can't ever use the sub in a list context expecting an
empty list
... so?
True or false are reasonable things to expect a subroutine to return. A
list is a reasonable thing to expect a subroutine to
, it always gets a scalar. a
plain return works in all contexts and lets the caller force a scalar when
needed.
Coming from a strongly-typed background (C, C++), this bisexuality
of returns seems error prone to me. My gut instinct is to have two
subs, if necessary with one _as_scalar and one
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Aaron Crane p...@aaroncrane.co.uk wrote:
I agree. The talk I did at LPW and YAPC::EU this year covers this and
some related issues
Thanks Aaron. Someone told me about your talk, and it got me thinking about
it in-depth a little while ago. Shame I missed it
On 12 Dec 2012, at 18:35, Abigail abig...@abigail.be wrote:
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:57:39AM -0500, Uri Guttman wrote:
On 12/12/2012 07:12 AM, Leon Brocard wrote:
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 02:29:24AM -0500, Uri Guttman wrote:
i can't say much about this but you have to look at the code here
* Abigail (abig...@abigail.be) [121212 21:38]:
The flip side of this dogma is, you end up with code like:
sub foo {
...
return unless $result;
return $result;
}
sub foo {
...
$result || (); # $result // ();
}
On Wednesday, December 12, 2012, DAVID HODGKINSON wrote:
Would hurling a PBP test at the whole of CPAN to get a metric be of any
benefit?
Probably not. perl critic, which sounds like what you're thinking about, is
a useful tool for catching silly mistakes you might have made, but if you
know
On 12/12/2012 21:42, Peter Sergeant wrote:
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Aaron Crane p...@aaroncrane.co.uk wrote:
I agree. The talk I did at LPW and YAPC::EU this year covers this and
some related issues
Thanks Aaron. Someone told me about your talk, and it got me thinking about
it
i can't say much about this but you have to look at the code here.
https://metacpan.org/author/PERLOOK/
in particular the boolean stuff is amazing and the print stuff isn't far
behind.
uri
Sorry for mentioning the four letter word, but I have a problem.
Without resorting to XS, Inline, or similar skulduggery, is there a way to
do the following:
1: Work out which file descriptors have F_CLOEXEC set
2: Close those that do
[without doing an exec :-)]
My problem seems
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 04:30:54PM +, Nicholas Clark wrote:
[...]
1: Can't call fcntl to enquire about F_CLOEXEC without having a file handle.
2: Whilst I can create a Perl file handle from a number, to get a
handle open on that numeric file descriptor, I
3: now have a file handle open
Peter Corlett writes:
open() with does dup(2) under the hood. Without testing, I'd
have assumed that when the new filehandle is closed, it won't close
the duped file handle. I can't recall whether the close-on-exec flag
is passed through on duping though.
Unfortunately, dup(2) (and dup2(2
there explain *good* OO practice in Perl.
Where do we learn about that? Are there some OO tutorials planned at the
next YAPC?
Every time I write a new CPAN module, I first have to decide on how I'm
going to do OO this time. Most of my modules do it in a different way,
using hashes, home-made inside
- Original Message
From: Philippe Bruhat (BooK) philippe.bru...@free.fr
Where do we learn about that? Are there some OO tutorials planned at the
next YAPC?
Every time I write a new CPAN module, I first have to decide on how I'm
going to do OO this time.
Rather than focusing
2009/1/28 Simon Cozens si...@simon-cozens.org:
Ovid wrote:
Rather than focusing on advanced tools and modules, I'd focus on
advanced techniques.
I've had this debate a hundred times over since sitting down to
write APP2ed: these days Perl programming is much more about using
tools well than
Ovid wrote:
Rather than focusing on advanced tools and modules, I'd focus on
advanced techniques.
I've had this debate a hundred times over since sitting down to
write APP2ed: these days Perl programming is much more about using
tools well than using the language particularly creatively. The
- Original Message
From: Simon Cozens si...@simon-cozens.org
I've had this debate a hundred times over since sitting down to
write APP2ed: these days Perl programming is much more about using
tools well than using the language particularly creatively. The
techniques you need to
Ovid wrote:
- Original Message
From: Philippe Bruhat (BooK) philippe.bru...@free.fr
Where do we learn about that? Are there some OO tutorials planned at the
next YAPC?
Every time I write a new CPAN module, I first have to decide on how I'm
going to do OO this time.
Rather than
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 10:46:07AM +, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
2009/1/28 Simon Cozens si...@simon-cozens.org:
Ovid wrote:
Rather than focusing on advanced tools and modules, I'd focus on
advanced techniques.
I've had this debate a hundred times over since sitting down to
write
- Original Message
From: Abigail abig...@abigail.be
That is to say that it is increasingly becoming less about
programming at all and more about scripting or configuring whatever
the application framework du jour might be.
Yeah, all we need now is a GUI where we can just use
On 28 Jan 2009, at 12:23, Simon Wilcox wrote:
Ovid wrote:
- Original Message
From: Philippe Bruhat (BooK) philippe.bru...@free.fr
Where do we learn about that? Are there some OO tutorials planned
at the
next YAPC?
Every time I write a new CPAN module, I first have to decide
(and mouse? ferret ? I lose track..)
Neither Badger or Mouse have a 'proper' MOP.
They both allow you to do _some_ level of meta-programming, but
neither is a meta-object implementation.
Cheers
t0m
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Aaron Trevena aaron.trev...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/1/26 Denny london...@metamathics.org:
Personally, I assumed he was referring to the strong 'use Moose' push
which EPO seems to be on - would it be safe to say that Moose is a
modern approach to OO? I've not
On 27/01/2009, at 11:12 PM, Piers Cawley wrote:
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Aaron Trevena aaron.trev...@gmail.com
wrote:
2009/1/26 Denny london...@metamathics.org:
Personally, I assumed he was referring to the strong 'use Moose'
push
which EPO seems to be on - would it be safe to say
2009/1/27 Piers Cawley pdcawley-london.0dd...@bofh.org.uk:
MOP is modern? The Art of The MetaObject Protocol was published in
1991. This is obviously some new usage of the word 'modern' with which
I was hitherto unfamiliar.
It's modern in perl terms, obviously, but it's not exactly new. It's
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Aaron Trevena aaron.trev...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/1/27 Piers Cawley pdcawley-london.0dd...@bofh.org.uk:
MOP is modern? The Art of The MetaObject Protocol was published in
1991. This is obviously some new usage of the word 'modern' with which
I was hitherto
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Paul Makepeace pa...@paulm.com wrote:
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Aaron Trevena aaron.trev...@gmail.com
wrote:
2009/1/27 Piers Cawley pdcawley-london.0dd...@bofh.org.uk:
MOP is modern? The Art of The MetaObject Protocol was published in
1991. This is
- Original Message
From: Piers Cawley pdcawley-london.0dd185@
A depressing amount of nominally OO code is just procedural code
wrapped in classes though
Which is terribly depressing, but in the case of Java, there's a tiny defense:
sometimes you want to write procedural code but
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 8:03 PM, David Cantrell da...@cantrell.org.uk wrote:
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 08:24:14PM +, L?on Brocard wrote:
Here, have some numbers:
http://cpants.perl.org/dist/used_by/Badger
http://cpants.perl.org/dist/used_by/Moose
Have some more numbers:
http
parts of the forest, but they love nothing better than getting together to
go foraging for nuts and berries, play a nice game of tennis or have a bit
of a sing-song. Metaphorically speaking, of course.
A
[1] http://mail.tt2.org/pipermail/templates/2008-September/010433.html
[2] http://mail.tt2.org
OO tutorials planned at the
next YAPC?
Every time I write a new CPAN module, I first have to decide on how I'm
going to do OO this time. Most of my modules do it in a different way,
using hashes, home-made inside-out object, using AUTOLOAD for accessors
or sticking closure in the symbol table, etc
Ovid wrote:
And with that caveat, I've got to say that for most Perl programmers,
Moose is lovely because it makes declaring a simple class with a
constructor and getter/setters easy. Just about everything else if
fluff for most.
I'm most Perl programmers, and I must admit other than a few
2009/1/27 breno br...@rio.pm.org:
I don't know about Moose, but Badger at least has a catchy (annoying) tune :-)
A Moose once bit my sister ...
--
No train here, but still:
The sign says: Ready to Leave
Normal service, yes?
Dominic Thoreau wrote:
A Moose once bit my sister ...
How does she smell?
when
Christmas (the delivery date for Perl 6) will arrive
Doesn't jive with the goals listed on: http://www.enlightenedperl.org/
which appear to have nothing whatsoever to do with modernizing perl 5,
but merely about promoting the values that perl 5 currently provides,
and simplifying
developments in programming languages, given that it's unknown when
Christmas (the delivery date for Perl 6) will arrive
Doesn't jive with the goals listed on: http://www.enlightenedperl.org/
which appear to have nothing whatsoever to do with modernizing perl 5,
but merely about promoting
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