Re: keyboards/RSI/switching costs (was Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II)

2009-10-26 Thread Mark Aufflick
I really love my Kinesis Ergo Contoured: http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/contoured.htm Not only did it eliminate my hand and forearm pain, once you're used to it you can type faster as well! It gives you hand separation, less impact (long travel and with practice you don't hit the stop), makes good

Re: keyboards/RSI/switching costs (was Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II)

2009-10-23 Thread Patrick Mulvany
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:23:51PM +0100, Smylers wrote: Civil Service guidelines for new software procurement probably insist on decent accessibility support[*2], but continuing to use legacy systems which predate[*3] those guidelines isn't inself illegal. Actually this isn't the worst

Re: keyboards/RSI/switching costs (was Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II)

2009-10-23 Thread Dirk Koopman
Patrick Mulvany wrote: On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:23:51PM +0100, Smylers wrote: Civil Service guidelines for new software procurement probably insist on decent accessibility support[*2], but continuing to use legacy systems which predate[*3] those guidelines isn't inself illegal. Actually

Re: keyboards/RSI/switching costs (was Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II)

2009-10-22 Thread Philip Potter
2009/10/21 Jacqui Caren-home jacqui.ca...@ntlworld.com: Smylers wrote: You shouldn't; you should use an editor which has completion on words which are used in your project. I use a few with completions - with no one being best for the various languages I use. Which brings up what perl

Re: keyboards/RSI/switching costs (was Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II)

2009-10-22 Thread James Laver
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Philip Potter philip.g.pot...@gmail.com wrote: I personally use vim, though if and when Padre gets good I will switch to that. I'm currently trying to add extract subroutine and rename variable to it, but it's easier said than done... I'm pretty sure I saw a

Re: keyboards/RSI/switching costs (was Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II)

2009-10-22 Thread Philip Potter
2009/10/22 James Laver james.la...@gmail.com: On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Philip Potter philip.g.pot...@gmail.com wrote: I personally use vim, though if and when Padre gets good I will switch to that. I'm currently trying to add extract subroutine and rename variable to it, but it's

Re: keyboards/RSI/switching costs (was Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II)

2009-10-22 Thread john_oshea
Philip Potter wrote: 2009/10/22 James Laver james.la...@gmail.com: I'm pretty sure I saw a video demonstrating a working rename-variable plugin. I believe there were comments along the lines of 's/$old_name/$new_name/' and then the usual arguments over 'works most of the time' v.s. 'won't work

Re: keyboards/RSI/switching costs (was Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II)

2009-10-22 Thread David Cantrell
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:21:05PM -0400, jesse wrote: On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 04:50:19PM +0100, Smylers wrote: A friend with RSI has a keyboard he can use fine, but needs to avoid mousing. Unfortunately[*1] whoever wrote the bespoke software used by his branch of the civil service didn't

Re: keyboards/RSI/switching costs (was Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II)

2009-10-22 Thread Philip Potter
2009/10/22 David Cantrell da...@cantrell.org.uk: On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:21:05PM -0400, jesse wrote: On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 04:50:19PM +0100, Smylers wrote: A friend with RSI has a keyboard he can use fine, but needs to avoid mousing.  Unfortunately[*1] whoever wrote the bespoke software

Re: keyboards/RSI/switching costs (was Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II)

2009-10-22 Thread Smylers
jesse writes: On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 04:50:19PM +0100, Smylers wrote: A friend with RSI has a keyboard he can use fine, but needs to avoid mousing. Unfortunately[*1] whoever wrote the bespoke software used by his branch of the civil service didn't bother with keyboard access for many

Re: keyboards/RSI/switching costs (was Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II)

2009-10-22 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:53:56AM +0100, Philip Potter wrote: 2009/10/22 David Cantrell da...@cantrell.org.uk: Since when did something being illegal stop it from happening, especially in government? Since people were unwilling to stand up for what they lawfully deserve -- either through

Re: keyboards/RSI/switching costs (was Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II)

2009-10-22 Thread Jesse Vincent
On Wed 21.Oct'09 at 17:44:58 +0100, James Laver wrote: On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:21 PM, jesse je...@fsck.com wrote: In the US, that's ~illegal[1]. The UK doesn't have a similar law? [1] http://www.section508.gov/ We have the disability discrimination act which makes it similarly

Re: keyboards/RSI/switching costs (was Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II)

2009-10-21 Thread Chris Jack
Jacqui wrote: James Laver wrote: On 21 Oct 2009, at 01:24, Paul Makepeace wrote: PS for the real layout nerds, http://colemak.com/ is a better choice than Dvorak if you're going to start from scratch http://www.kaufmann.no/roland/dvorak/ is worth a mention too. I got myself up to

Re: keyboards/RSI/switching costs (was Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II)

2009-10-21 Thread James Laver
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Chris Jack chris_j...@msn.com wrote: Before you switch keyboards, I think there is an important question about how often you are obliged to use a standard qwerty keyboard. I worked all over Europe for a bit using a large number of the European variations on

Re: keyboards/RSI/switching costs (was Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II)

2009-10-21 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:05:28 +0100, James Laver wrote: On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Chris Jack chris_j...@msn.com wrote: Before you switch keyboards, I think there is an important question about how often you are obliged to use a standard qwerty keyboard. I worked all over Europe for a

Re: keyboards/RSI/switching costs (was Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II)

2009-10-21 Thread jesse
Problem then comes with people who need to help you on your computer. I often help a tester here who has a Natural split keyboard, and find it tough, but doable (I used to use a natural years ago, the problem is using a Natural from a sideways position or standing position while at

Re: keyboards/RSI/switching costs (was Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II)

2009-10-21 Thread Jacqui Caren-home
Chris Jack wrote: I had been seeing an osteopath who pointed out My interest in this thread is two fold. 1) I write or edit a lot of code. Why should I spend my days typing many repetitive words over and over. Does anyone here remember spectrums or ZX81's? :-) 2) My sister has a

Re: keyboards/RSI/switching costs (was Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II)

2009-10-21 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:32:46 -0400, jesse wrote: Problem then comes with people who need to help you on your computer. I often help a tester here who has a Natural split keyboard, and find it tough, but doable (I used to use a natural years ago, the problem is using a Natural from a

Re: keyboards/RSI/switching costs (was Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II)

2009-10-21 Thread James Laver
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Matt Sergeant mserge...@messagelabs.com wrote: True-ish. If you occasionally glance at the keys it really screws you over though :) Well unless you're buying labels to stick on the keys you aren't going to be able to look down on Dvorak, and I'd hope that by

Re: keyboards/RSI/switching costs (was Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II)

2009-10-21 Thread Smylers
Jacqui Caren-home writes: My interest in this thread is two fold. 1) I write or edit a lot of code. Why should I spend my days typing many repetitive words over and over. Does anyone here remember spectrums or ZX81's? :-) You shouldn't; you should use an editor which has completion on

Re: keyboards/RSI/switching costs (was Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II)

2009-10-21 Thread Matt Sergeant
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:32:15 +0100, James Laver wrote: On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Matt Sergeant mserge...@messagelabs.com wrote: True-ish. If you occasionally glance at the keys it really screws you over though :) Well unless you're buying labels to stick on the keys you aren't

Re: keyboards/RSI/switching costs (was Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II)

2009-10-21 Thread jesse
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 04:50:19PM +0100, Smylers wrote: A friend with RSI has a keyboard he can use fine, but needs to avoid mousing. Unfortunately[*1] whoever wrote the bespoke software used by his branch of the civil service didn't bother with keyboard access for many features. In the

Re: keyboards/RSI/switching costs (was Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II)

2009-10-21 Thread James Laver
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:21 PM, jesse je...@fsck.com wrote: In the US, that's ~illegal[1]. The UK doesn't have a similar law? [1] http://www.section508.gov/ We have the disability discrimination act which makes it similarly illegal. It also makes it illegal to develop a website that isn't

Re: keyboards/RSI/switching costs (was Looking for a secondhand Datahand Pro II)

2009-10-21 Thread Jacqui Caren-home
Smylers wrote: You shouldn't; you should use an editor which has completion on words which are used in your project. I use a few with completions - with no one being best for the various languages I use. Which brings up what perl editors do people use and why? FYI: Currently writing a js