Barlines

2003-09-30 Thread "Joachim Lüdtke"
Dear Edward, Sean, Stewart and all, for some of the early polyphony in organum style barring is used, if it is notated in non-modal/non-mensural notation (e.g. pieces in neumatic notation in the Codex Calixtinus which - if the dating is still valid - comes from the middle of the twelfth century

Re: willow song

2003-09-30 Thread Stewart McCoy
Dear Jon, I'm afraid you cannot have your cake and eat it. You say that songs such as the Willow Song lack validity. I take this to mean that one cannot be absolutely sure that the Willow Song as copied in Lbl Add 15117 is the same melody and/or accompaniment that was sung on stage for the earlies

Re: Lute duos

2003-09-30 Thread Stewart McCoy
Dear Daniel and Sean, Many thanks for these two paintings, which are the right period. All the best, Stewart McCoy. > At 06:14 AM 9/29/03, Daniel F Heiman wrote: > >http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/html/v/vivarini/alvise/ambrose.html (signed 1503) > > View this picture alongside: > http://www.kfki.hu

Re: Elizabethan pronunciation

2003-09-30 Thread Stephan Olbertz
Dear John, thank you for your kind advice. What I learned about English is that its written form didn't follow the changing pronunciation over the centuries, and that around 1500 the sound of the vowels for example was quite the same as they were written. I understand that spelling in German f

Re: willow song

2003-09-30 Thread "Mathias Rösel"
"Jon Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > Much of our knowledge of Shakespeare's text comes from later folios. I usually take it from the latest pages :) of today's critical editions, and I assume others do as well. > My guess is that the actor found a simple melody to fit the song, and if it

Re: Elizabethan pronunciation

2003-09-30 Thread "Mathias Rösel"
I should certainly refrain from recommending technical literature. As for me, any pronunciation dictionary is as good as the other, depending on the price. I appreciate the basics but do not want to go into details too much. E.g. I got my basic information about this subject from a general surve

Re: How to move the 1st course.

2003-09-30 Thread Jon Murphy
Herbert, I see you have gotten all sorts of good advice from lutenists, and I'm reluctant to put in my oar as one who has no lute. But I can speak to experience with bridges and other string anchors. (And to the problems with Pakistani instruments that I'm sure you already know - from harps to whi

Re: willow song

2003-09-30 Thread Howard Posner
Jon Murphy at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > My guess is that > the actor (remember, no women on stage at the time, who played Ophelia found > a simple melody to fit the song, and if it was accompanied it would have > been with simple chords (as the Greek poets were accompanied by a bit of a > "strum"

Consort table

2003-09-30 Thread corun
In the painting by Jan Brueghel the Elder called The Sense of Hearing there is a table set up for a seven piece consort to sit around. Has anyone ever seen such a table in a museum? Any modern version of it? Know where I could get measurements or plans for such a table? Thank you, Craig

Re: willow song

2003-09-30 Thread Tony Chalkley
I've just uploaded said facsimile to: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/tony.c/fretful/willow[2].jpg Hope it works Tony - Original Message - From: "Stewart McCoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lute Net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 1:32 PM Subject: Re: willow song > Dear J

Re: Elizabethan pronunciation

2003-09-30 Thread David Rastall
On Monday, September 29, 2003, at 09:54 PM, Jon Murphy wrote: > Forget pronounciation... I agree. "Putting on" an accent is one thing, but reproducing someone else's speech perfectly is very difficult. It can only be accomplished successfully by skilled, highly trained professional performers

Re: Elizabethan pronunciation

2003-09-30 Thread Stephan Olbertz
Am 30 Sep 2003 um 14:08 hat David Rastall geschrieben: > On Monday, September 29, 2003, at 09:54 PM, Jon Murphy wrote: > > > Forget pronounciation... > > I agree. "Putting on" an accent is one thing, but reproducing someone > else's speech perfectly is very difficult. Maybe as difficult as

Re: willow song

2003-09-30 Thread Stewart McCoy
Thanks very much, Tony. It has come out very clearly. Stewart McCoy. - Original Message - From: "Tony Chalkley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lute Net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Stewart McCoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 5:30 PM Subject: Re: willow song > I've just upl

Re: Elizabethan pronunciation

2003-09-30 Thread Sir David Vavreck
Good People - The conventional wisdom regarding theatrical stage is that if one cannot do a good job at an accent, one should not do it at all (this explains why in a recent Robin Hood movie, for example, the main character sounded like a Yank - that and Kevin Costner can't act). This does not en

searching the archives

2003-09-30 Thread Ed Durbrow
Stewart , How do you keep track of these past discussions? Do you have a photographic memory? :-) Is there a way to search the archives? I couldn't figure it out last time I visited. It seems the messages are in folders by year or month which would mean opening each folder and searching. >The W

Re: willow song

2003-09-30 Thread Howard Posner
Stewart McCoy at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Thanks very much, Tony. It has come out very clearly.   Really? All I got was a notice that: "La page est inconnue du serveur des Pages Perso Wanadoo. Veuillez vérifier l'URL demandée."

Re: Elizabethan pronunciation

2003-09-30 Thread Howard Posner
Sir David Vavreck at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The conventional wisdom regarding theatrical stage is > that if one cannot do a good job at an accent, one > should not do it at all (this explains why in a recent > Robin Hood movie, for example, the main character > sounded like a Yank - that and K

Re: Elizabethan pronunciation

2003-09-30 Thread Jon Murphy
Well said all, accents are learned in youth. But actors can sometimes do them well. Yet there is one group who can do them perfectly. I'm sure I mentioned that I came to instruments in recent years when my main instrument got too old (at 68 my voice ain't what it used to be). Singers can make any s

Re: willow song

2003-09-30 Thread Jon Murphy
> what makes you guess what they then did _not_ do? Sixty odd years of singing and an assumption that human nature hasn't changed that much. If you can't remember your part, fake it. I just did a lot of that over the last several days at the annual reunion of my a cappela college group of the lat