Re: willow song

2003-10-02 Thread Jon Murphy
Wow, I seem to have opened a can of worms. Let this be near the end of it (I never like to end a discussion, as is obvious). The players of the time were performers, and as such could quite likely had the skills on the lute and the singing. But the combination of instrument and story was not quite

Re: willow song

2003-10-02 Thread Jon Murphy
Hells bells David, I'm beginning to agree with you. My first month of trying to get my harp and guitar fingers to play lute songs on the retuned guitar where rather disasterous, but this evening I went through about four different tunes from the Jane Pickering Lute Book (circa 1616) with reasonabl

Lute kits, was: willow song

2003-10-02 Thread Gernot Hilger
Jon, if you are into making your own lute, make sure that you check David Van Edwards' CD lutemaking courses which are excellent and I mean it. You'll get a good instrument and it can be done, believe me. www.vanedwards.co.uk Gernot

Re: Lute kits, was: willow song

2003-10-02 Thread Jon Murphy
Thank you Gernot, I have locked David Van E.'s site into my computer and will look at it carefully before making any decision. But I wonder what that decision will be, as it seems there is a lot of maintainence on a classic lute, whereas a more modern version might be appropriate. I've got about fo

Re: willow song

2003-10-02 Thread Stewart McCoy
Dear Jon, The worms can rest happily in their can, and I shouldn't worry about them. Lively discussion is a good thing, and it would be boring if everyone had the same opinion. I think it is important though, when studying something historical, as we do on this mailing list with the history of th

Re: Elizabethan pronunciation

2003-10-02 Thread David Rastall
Hi Jon, > In my brief folk singing career (over forty years ago)... Lets see, I too was singing folk music forty years ago. 1963 was my first year out of high school. I was in Southern California in those days, and very big into the bluegrass scene: hanging out with the likes of Douglas Dil

How to remove bridge.

2003-10-02 Thread Herbert Ward
In a few weeks I'll have a proper lute. My lute from Pakistan will then be a spare, and damaging it will not be a disaster. Because this Paki-lute is more oud than lute, its courses are too close together. To fix this, I want to replace the nut and bridge, converting it from an 8-course to a 7

Pain ...

2003-10-02 Thread Tim Mills
I spend on average a couple hours a day practicing and I've developed = some pain in both my shoulders over the last two months so that it would = be impossible for me to do a pull-up or chin-up exercise. For lack of = any other reason, I'm wondering if it is due to my Lute playing. Has = anyone

Item of interest

2003-10-02 Thread corun
For those in or near the Richmond, VA area (or if you're traveling here) this may be of particular interest to you. This is a lecture being given at Agecroft Hall, a Tudor manor brought over from England in 1925 and rebuilt in Richmond. The url for the website is; http://www.agecrofthall.com/

Re: Pain ...

2003-10-02 Thread corun
Tim wrote: >I spend on average a couple hours a day practicing and I've developed = >some pain in both my shoulders over the last two months so that it would = >be impossible for me to do a pull-up or chin-up exercise. For lack of = >any other reason, I'm wondering if it is due to my Lute playing

historical fretting instructions

2003-10-02 Thread Howard Posner
Are there instructions on how (or more importantly, where) to set frets other than the Dowland/Gerle instructions? HP

Re: How to remove bridge.

2003-10-02 Thread Jon Murphy
Herbert, I'm not a luthier, as all of you know by now. But I have made harps and other instruments (and golf clubs, which use epoxy). All glues break down at some temperature (the epoxy for the clubs at about 200 degrees F.) as I found out by leaving my first harp in the car on a sunny day (the di

Re: Elizabethan pronunciation

2003-10-02 Thread Jon Murphy
David, What a pleasant message. With my apologies to the list for not editing out our dialogue below (as I don't have time tonight to trim the message) I'll add a few notes that may be of interest. I started with folk in 1949 for some reason . I think it was probably part interest in my heritage a

Re: willow song

2003-10-02 Thread Jon Murphy
Roman, Perhaps my understatement leaves something to be said. I was speaking of a time before the stage of Shakespeare, and a bit before the actors. No quarrel, but there was a period without an active stage and that was what I spoke of. The Greeks had theater, but in feudal times the entertainer

Re: willow song

2003-10-02 Thread Jon Murphy
Stewart, I'd reply to this if I had a reply. But since I agree with everything you said (almost everything, I retain my option to disagree with details) I have no reply. Usually a new entrant to a list is a bit circumspect, I'm afraid this old curmudgeon isn't. And I compliment the list for not to

A request for advice, technique

2003-10-02 Thread Jon Murphy
With your indulgence this is the first of two or three requests I'll send tonight (haven't figured out how to separate them into different categories yet). Fingering and technique. I know we all are different in physical form (hands have many shapes). And I realize we each have to find what works

Re: Pain ...

2003-10-02 Thread Stephan Olbertz
Hi, some lessons with a knowledgable physiotherapist, alexandertechnique practitioners or the likes (and your lute!) will probably solve the problem. Regards, Stephan Am 2 Oct 2003 um 19:47 hat [EMAIL PROTECTED] geschrieben: > Tim wrote: > > >I spend on average a couple hours a day practic

Request for advice, instrument

2003-10-02 Thread Jon Murphy
OK, the second message. I should have correlated all the answers to my past questions, but I'm too damned lazy. So I open a new thread. Several of you have responded to my messages on the Jerry Brown flat back that I can make for $350, and I have saved the messages that suggest other sources. Tho

Advice, the last of the evening

2003-10-02 Thread Jon Murphy
Finally, and I've separated the messages intentionally, I come to position. The drawings I've seen of medieval lutenists seem to show them playing with the instrument nearly vertical. I'm playing my retuned guitar as a lute that way, but not because of the drawings. I practice that way as I'm deep