Re: Meantone confusion

2004-09-18 Thread lutesmith
I'll go out on a limb here, Daniel, and please forgive me if you get better input elsewhere. Yes, I know it's a little bind moggling. First off, you might try using G or C as your tonic since more of your average lute music is in those scales. A is a little problematic since it often requires

Old religious paintings.

2004-09-18 Thread Herbert Ward
Many old paintings (of skill and sensitivity) depict a young woman holding a nude Christ, with the baby wearing an adult-like face and making a religious hand symbol. These depictions conflict with modern taste in a number of ways. Most obviously, no modern baby photographer gets requests for ph

Re: Meantone confusion

2004-09-18 Thread Ed Durbrow
>So my questions are: > >1) Have I misunderstood something in the process? Should I be using a >different tonic? I prefer to use the 1st/6th courses as a tonic unless I have to play with other instruments, then I use C, which amounts to the same thing except 2 cents flater. >2) What keys work a

Re: Complete copy of the 6-course vihuela by Belchior Dias

2004-09-18 Thread Antonio Corona
--- Roman Turovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > >> E.0748, > >>> being the most obvious), this particular murder > >> left > >>> behind a most enlightening iconographical trail. > >> The differences between E.0748 and Diaz seem to > be > >> similar to the > >> differences between Hoffmann and

Re: Complete copy of the 6-course vihuela by Belchior Dias

2004-09-18 Thread Antonio Corona
--- Roman Turovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > > > > > If you want to be creative, you could try the > cit?e > > la musique's page, > My French is a bit "aproximatif", and besides, my > idea of what's creative is > different. No doubt > > > or perhaps Alexander Batov could > > let yo

Re: Complete copy of the 6-course vihuela by Belchior Dias

2004-09-18 Thread Antonio Corona
I am questioning a rather dubious methodological approach, and I have stated my reasons for considering it as such. If that reminds you of MO's atacks, it is your privilege to believe so. As to endangering a livelihood, there is nothing to prevent Mr. Batov from approching the reconstruction of vih

Re: Complete copy of the 6-course vihuela by Belchior Dias

2004-09-18 Thread Roman Turovsky
>> E.0748, >>> being the most obvious), this particular murder >> left >>> behind a most enlightening iconographical trail. >> The differences between E.0748 and Diaz seem to be >> similar to the >> differences between Hoffmann and Edlinger, one being >> wider than the other, >> while no one questi

Meantone confusion

2004-09-18 Thread Daniel Shoskes
I am trying to understand the meantone -1/6 tuning system which I do agree makes the lute sound better in most of the Ren repertoire that I play. I am a bit confused about the actual tuning process. I have read http://home.planet.nl/~d.v.ooijen/lgs/meantone.html I have used the fret positions and

Re: Complete copy of the 6-course vihuela by Belchior Dias

2004-09-18 Thread Antonio Corona
--- Roman Turovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > > --- Roman Turovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > escribi??> > Besides the corpse > > (Paris, cit?e la musique, > >> E.0748, > >>> being the most obvious), this particular murder > >> left > >>> behind a most enlightening iconographical trail. > I > >>>

Re: Complete copy of the 6-course vihuela by Belchior Dias

2004-09-18 Thread Roman Turovsky
> --- Roman Turovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribi??> > Besides the corpse > (Paris, cit?e la musique, >> E.0748, >>> being the most obvious), this particular murder >> left >>> behind a most enlightening iconographical trail. I >>> would suggest that you have a look at: Florence >>> G?eau, "L'iconog

Re: Complete copy of the 6-course vihuela by Belchior Dias

2004-09-18 Thread Antonio Corona
--- Roman Turovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > > Besides the corpse (Paris, cité de la musique, > E.0748, > > being the most obvious), this particular murder > left > > behind a most enlightening iconographical trail. I > > would suggest that you have a look at: Florence > > Gétreau, "L'icono

Re: Complete copy of the 6-course vihuela by Belchior Dias

2004-09-18 Thread Roman Turovsky
> have a look at: Florence > Gétreau, "L'iconographie de la vihuela", in _Aux > origenes de la guitar: la vihuela de mano_, les > cahiers du museé de la musique 5, Paris: cité de la > musique, 2004, pp. 41-49, ... that is, unless you > desire to create the category "wishful painting". Google return

Re: Complete copy of the 6-course vihuela by Belchior Dias

2004-09-18 Thread Antonio Corona
--- Roman Turovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > > Besides the corpse (Paris, cité de la musique, > E.0748, > > being the most obvious), this particular murder > left > > behind a most enlightening iconographical trail. > The differences between E.0748 and Diaz seem to be > similar to the > dif

ebay

2004-09-18 Thread bill kilpatrick
ebay horror stories abound but i bought a second-hand, syrian made, child-sized, 5c. oud off of ebay germany not long ago and it's hardly been out of my hands since. it's surprisingly loud, warm and mellow ... cheap! ... a real delight. the man i bought it from had a so-so credit rating but he an

vihuela vs guitar

2004-09-18 Thread bill kilpatrick
how do you make a distinction between two similar instruments - sitting side by side in a museum display cabinet, say - based on a supposed method of tuning and struming? - bill ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger

Re: Re: vihuela as guitar

2004-09-18 Thread Monica Hall
> Is the mandora/mandola the same instrument also called mandore/mandolino...a tiny lute-like instrument tuned in fourths and fifths? (the instrument of the Skene MS etc) No. although I didn't actually refer to it, my observations were based on Renato Meucci's article "Da chitarra Italiana a Ch

Re: Complete copy of the 6-course vihuela by Belchior Dias

2004-09-18 Thread Roman Turovsky
> Besides the corpse (Paris, cité de la musique, E.0748, > being the most obvious), this particular murder left > behind a most enlightening iconographical trail. I > would suggest that you have a look at: Florence > Gétreau, "L'iconographie de la vihuela", in _Aux > origenes de la guitar: la vihue

Re: Complete copy of the 6-course vihuela by Belchior Dias

2004-09-18 Thread Roman Turovsky
> Besides the corpse (Paris, cité de la musique, E.0748, > being the most obvious), this particular murder left > behind a most enlightening iconographical trail. The differences between E.0748 and Diaz seem to be similar to the differences between Hoffmann and Edlinger, one being wider than the ot

Re: Complete copy of the 6-course vihuela by Belchior Dias

2004-09-18 Thread Antonio Corona
Sweeping generalizations ("Anyone's notion of vihuela is legitimate, regardless of the fact that it is based on wishful thinking, given the "profusion" of tangible vihuela evidence") based on the ignorance of the subject ("murder that left no corpse (nor a painting thereof") behind") are rather

Re: Complete copy of the 6-course vihuela by Belchior Dias

2004-09-18 Thread Antonio Corona
Sweeping generalizations ("Anyone's notion of vihuela is legitimate, regardless of the fact that it is based on wishful thinking, given the "profusion" of tangible vihuela evidence") based on the ignorance of the subject ("murder that left no corpse (nor a painting thereof") behind") are rather

Re: vihuela vs guitar

2004-09-18 Thread Antonio Corona
--- Roman Turovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > > To put it in a nutshell, in Spain, during most of > the > > 16th century five- and six-course instruments were > > called "vihuelas"; four-course instruments were > called > > "guitars". During the late 1570s and early 1580s a > > "new" instrum

Re: Theorbe/Visee

2004-09-18 Thread Taco Walstra
On Saturday 18 September 2004 09:04, you wrote: > G.R. Crona wrote: > >This very fine duet music has been made available on NAXOS 8.553745, which > >also includes duet music by Corbetta for guitar. > > Yes. > But, is it possible to hear the "Dessus et Basse"-composition, > and to get hold of an wr

italian church music online

2004-09-18 Thread Taco Walstra
I just read in the newspaper that musical archives of the san giovanni cathedral in rome will be published on the internet the coming week with among them music by pergolesi and others. The web address is www.paoloditarso.it (which is now only kind of provider website). It's the start of a larg

Re: vihuela vs guitar

2004-09-18 Thread Roman Turovsky
> To put it in a nutshell, in Spain, during most of the > 16th century five- and six-course instruments were > called "vihuelas"; four-course instruments were called > "guitars". During the late 1570s and early 1580s a > "new" instrument was developed: the five-course > instrument we call "baroque

Re: Complete copy of the 6-course vihuela by Belchior Dias

2004-09-18 Thread Roman Turovsky
I wasn't talking about circumstantial evidence. Solving a murder that left no corpse (nor a painting thereof) behind is an ungrateful thing. RT __ Roman M. Turovsky http://polyhymnion.org/swv > Are you suggesting that my research and conclusions > about the vihuela are based on wishful

Re: Theorbe/Visee

2004-09-18 Thread s.gliese
G.R. Crona wrote: >This very fine duet music has been made available on NAXOS 8.553745, which >also includes duet music by Corbetta for guitar. > > Yes. But, is it possible to hear the "Dessus et Basse"-composition, and to get hold of an written-down theorbe-accompaniment, where every single no