Byrd

2005-07-23 Thread Michael Thames
I've never met Arthur Ness, as I'm not really a member of the "good old boys club". I'm relatively new to the lute, 4 years or so. I did play it a bit in the mid 70's. I've seen his name next to Da Milano's pieces, and that's about all I know, other than he is. I've been assuming, s

Re: Byrd

2005-07-23 Thread Eric Crouch
I'm a novice at all this, but I can see the point that Arthur Ness is making. Earlier on (if I understand correctly) he gave the example of Byrd pieces that have been transcribed unchanged from lute originals (rather than arranged) to the keyboard. Even in my limited experience I have come

Re: Byrd

2005-07-23 Thread Sal Salvaggio
Luters, I am presently working on a Pavan by Byrd set by Francis Cutting for a program of Elizabethan Ballads and Dances.I put the piece in with a group of Cutting pieces. The "Cutting" style is evident in his "reworking" or "recomposition" of this work. I consider it as original in the way Mr. C

Re: Byrd

2005-07-23 Thread JEdwardsMusic
Hi to all, It seems that Ness is saying that a keyboard composition, reworked (arranged) for lute, can qualify as an original lute piece. Thames is saying, not so. Do I have this right? I'm a little confused about this thread... I've published several books with Mel Bay Publications of m

Re: Byrd

2005-07-23 Thread Sal Salvaggio
Arthur Ness - A helpful, articulate and scholarly member of our list - a nice fellow as well!!! Salvatore Salvaggio http://www.Salvaggio.50megs.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://ma

Re: Byrd

2005-07-23 Thread Nancy Carlin
I agree as well. Arthur has look at more original sources of lute and other early music than I will get to in this lifetime. I love his contributions. Nancy Carlin >A strong ditto here. > >It's a long difficult puzzle to see the ingenuity and scope of the lute >in its many centuries. I know th

Re: Byrd

2005-07-23 Thread Sean Smith
A strong ditto here. It's a long difficult puzzle to see the ingenuity and scope of the lute in its many centuries. I know that if Arthur does make conjectures he has, at least, done the research to back it up --and, more often than not, among the primary sources. And now I feel a little out-

Byrd

2005-07-23 Thread Michael Thames
> In the present discussion it is important to understand > the essential difference between an ARRANGEMENT and a > TRANSCRIPTION. Thames misses the point completely when > he equates the two (see below). The terms are not > interchangeable, when used according to their proper > meaning.First p

Re: Byrd

2005-07-23 Thread Vance Wood
I agree with Paolo, Arthur's messages are always good to read even if I may not fully agree all of the time. They are not condescending, arrogant or pretentious, and for the most part make you think instead of make you mad. Vance Wood. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "

Re: Byrd

2005-07-23 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dear Arthur, for me has ever been a pleasure to read yours truly informative e-mails, on every subject and in all occasions. I hope that you will continue to spend part of your time wrinting on this list. Best wishes Paolo Declich > In the present discussion it is important to understand >

Re: Re:Malheur me bat

2005-07-23 Thread LGS-Europe
>> as regard to the chanson composition, it seems (sorry, no references here at work!) that Josquin heard the song at the Ferrara court around 1501-02 (4-5 years the Ockeghem's death) and that is now attributed to Malcort (or Martini); moreover, Ockeghem never wrote a Malheur me bat mass. It seems

Re: Neceffarie obferuations

2005-07-23 Thread Jon Murphy
I am reminded of an old joke. The searcher for truth is in search of the ultimate guru. He travels to India and Napal, he works his way through the villages, climbing ever higher into the Himalayas. He follows every lead in his search. After years of trekking, and always uphill, he finally comes to