Re: original tuning

2005-07-24 Thread Ed Durbrow
On Jul 25, 2005, at 8:56 AM, bill kilpatrick wrote: > leonard bernstein noted that "nyah-nyah, nyah, > nyah-nyah" was recited globally in more or less the > same key - "g" or "a", i believe. this might have > been learned from english language or american style > media but could it just as easily

RE: Byrd, Tabluature etc.

2005-07-24 Thread Stuart LeBlanc
I hereby invoke Godwin's Law. -Original Message- From: Chad McAnally [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 5:30 PM To: lute Subject: Byrd, Tabluature etc. Hello all, The problem with lists like this is generally you have a bunch of fairly well educated and well meaning

RE: "A pint's a pound...."

2005-07-24 Thread Stuart LeBlanc
Seems that weight would be more precise. Volume would vary with temperature, atmospheric pressure, properties of the container, etc. -Original Message- From: A.J. Padilla, M.D. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 5:56 PM To: Chad McAnally; lute Subject: "A pint's a poun

Re: "A pint's a pound...."

2005-07-24 Thread Blockflute1
While the weight or mass will always be the same, the volume will change depending on temperature. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

Byrd

2005-07-24 Thread Stewart McCoy
Dear Gary, The thread was originally about Byrd. I would very much like to know more about Byrd, and about the tablature sources of his music. For example, I have the impression that the lute solo settings make some concessions to the lute, i.e. the music is arranged to be idiomatic for the instru

Re: tablature

2005-07-24 Thread Greg Silverman
Nancy Carlin wrote: >and I have not played baroque lute since the 80s, and no longer >own one. > > But why!? It is not too late to make ammends and become one of us. Come to the Dark Side. ;-) Greg-- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute

Re: Byrd + when the fishin's bad

2005-07-24 Thread Sal Salvaggio
Chris wrote: "And as a very practical matter, if you're concerned about being taken seriously as a musician, you are going to get handed music in modern notation" And oh - how true this is - in my career as a professional player the ability to read all the clefs has helped get the gigs. The most

Re: Byrd

2005-07-24 Thread Howard Posner
It's probably just the leaves rustling, but I keep imagining I hear Bob Clair giggling under his breath and saying "never try to teach a pig to sing." Michael Thames wrote: > In the context of what Ness is saying, and all his previous emails trying to > establish pitch notation as superior to t

original tuning

2005-07-24 Thread bill kilpatrick
on the oud list recently i learned of a tuning for a 5c. oud that was taken from the 13th cent. treatise called "kitab al-adwar" (book of cycles) by safi al-din al-urmawi (1216-1294). each course is named and a tuning in straight 4ths is indicated but no pitch is given. in trying to understand ho

Re: Byrd

2005-07-24 Thread Vance Wood
When I studied Lute at Oakland University in the late 70's Dr. Nordstrom required us (meaning his Lute students) to be able to read and play from the Grand Staff. People that don't do this are robbing themselves of a degree of freedom in being able to explore music they may have only one source f

RE: "A pint's a pound...."

2005-07-24 Thread Garry Bryan
Dear Al, If it's only water then it doesn't matter now if you were talking about Legend ale, we could have an interesting discussion. Of course, whoever's paying for the round would have the superior opinion >:) Peace-would-be-nice-if-we-can-ever-get-it! GB -Original Message- From:

"A pint's a pound...."

2005-07-24 Thread A.J. Padilla, M.D.
Imagine that you have some water and want to quantify it. It fills a one-pint container It weighs one pound (or 454 gm, or thereabouts) Which is more valid, or "superior" - volume or weight? Always? Peace. Al - Original Message - From: "Chad McAnally" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "lute" Sent

Byrd, Tabluature etc.

2005-07-24 Thread Chad McAnally
Hello all, The problem with lists like this is generally you have a bunch of fairly well educated and well meaning people get together and discuss something of real importance to them. This occasionally evokes strong emotional debates and reactions from the participants. And more often than not

Re: tablature

2005-07-24 Thread Nancy Carlin
I really like what Eric Crouch, Dana Emery and Sal Salvaggio have said in this morning's emails. In the context of music that is just for lute, we need to remember that the notation is just a communication form - to help one player play another's music or for someone to learn another's piece.

Re: Byrd

2005-07-24 Thread demery
Michael Thames <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Nancy, etc. do you really believe that Tablature, is for the novice lute player? when both the London and Dresden MS and all of Weiss's music is written in Tablature? Do you really think the one fact disputes the other? Tablature is

Re: Byrd

2005-07-24 Thread Christopher Schaub
And as a very practical matter, if you're concerned about being taken seriously as a musician, you are going to get handed music in modern notation, especially when working with singers and ensembles. You have to be able to read modern notation and tablature if you want to play professionally or ev

Re: Byrd

2005-07-24 Thread demery
Michael Thames <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Posner, > In the context of what Ness is saying, and all his previous emails trying to establish pitch notation as superior to tablature, for lutenists ?!? I havent read that in Arthurs posts. Tablature and staff notations record the music using

Byrd

2005-07-24 Thread Michael Thames
Posner, In the context of what Ness is saying, and all his previous emails trying to establish pitch notation as superior to tablature, for lutenistsI most certainly stand by what I said. He's saying that historically, novices read tab until they go on to higher forms of notation, (p

Re: Byrd

2005-07-24 Thread Howard Posner
Michael Thames wrote: > Nancy, etc. do you really believe that Tablature, is for the novice lute > player? when both the London and Dresden MS and all of Weiss's music > is written in Tablature? I'm sure she doesn't, and nobody has said anything like it. Since you just said, "I do have

Re: Byrd

2005-07-24 Thread Sal Salvaggio
A bit on Treble clef vs. tab and other ramblings- When I started to play the renaissance lute back in the winter of'75, I worked from keyboard transcriptions. I didn't read tab at the time. I saw the lines in this richly contrapuntal music and used my skills at fingering to come up with workab

Re: Re: Byrd

2005-07-24 Thread Arne Keller
At 02:56 24-07-2005 -0700, gary digman wrote: >Would someone please tell me what the hell is going on here? Something must >have gone down between Mr, Thames and Mr.Ness that I missed. The >Matanya/Roman battle was more entertaining because I understood what it was >about. Funny you should mention

Re: Re: Byrd

2005-07-24 Thread gary digman
Would someone please tell me what the hell is going on here? Something must have gone down between Mr, Thames and Mr.Ness that I missed. The Matanya/Roman battle was more entertaining because I understood what it was about. The Best to All, Gary