[LUTE] Re: Ophee - his views

2005-08-30 Thread Howard Posner
G.R. Crona wrote: > I must say, that I'm very disillusioned by this move to make what has > previously been an open forum, a censored one. But the forum is no less open and no more censored than it was before. The only difference is that one more person is now on the list of those excluded fro

[LUTE] Pietro Prosser email address?

2005-08-30 Thread Howard Posner
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[LUTE] Re: Guitar and lute

2005-08-30 Thread EUGENE BRAIG IV
- Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 8:06 pm Subject: [LUTE] Re: Guitar and lute > > I don't know...transcription is transcription. > > > Not all transcriptions are created equal. CG is sufficiently > removed from JSB's era to be in

[LUTE] Re: Guitar and lute

2005-08-30 Thread Roman Turovsky
> At 10:13 AM 8/30/2005, Ed Durbrow wrote: > > > If you're playing the cello suites, it's > > > no more authentic to play them on the lute than the CG -- is it > > > easier? > > > >I think it IS more authentic since there are contemporary examples in > >tablature of Bach's music and the CG as we k

[LUTE] Re: Ophee - his views

2005-08-30 Thread Roman Turovsky
> > The lutelist is in no need of "parenting" and will be much stronger > > and more honorable for it. > > It could certainly do with a kind of minimum standard of civility > that we all agree upon when we join. RMCG has no parenting and no standards of civility, and that is where MO really blooms,

[LUTE] Re: phrasing and dynamics, was: Guitar and lute

2005-08-30 Thread Roman Turovsky
> First, I agree; the should be to play it like you mean it. However, in > dramatizing phrasing and dynamics in a way that is not necessarily implied > in period sources, how HIP is it? > Eugene As HIP as it gets, unless one subscribes to the Rooley theory. RT > At 07:17 AM 8/30/2005, lapis bleu

[LUTE] Re: Fasch concerto string parts

2005-08-30 Thread Roman Turovsky
My batch of Earl-files doesn't have it. Where is the original? RT > > Does anybody have access to string parts for the Fasch lute concerto? > I tried to buy them from Suvini Zerboni, who publishes the Chiesa edition. > They referred to me to their distributor, which hasn't returned any of my > ema

[LUTE] Re: Guitar and lute

2005-08-30 Thread Gernot Hilger
Jim, try a good clavichord. This was J.S.'s favourite. You'll know why once you play a good one. g On 30.08.2005, at 18:08, jim abraham wrote: > Here's a reason: Bach didn't write any baroque guitar music. I find > that > most of the guitar repertoire, "ancient" and modern, though often > c

[LUTE] Fasch concerto string parts

2005-08-30 Thread Lucas Harris
Dear friends, Does anybody have access to string parts for the Fasch lute concerto? I tried to buy them from Suvini Zerboni, who publishes the Chiesa edition. They referred to me to their distributor, which hasn't returned any of my emails (& the fax number seems to be out of service):

[LUTE] Re: phrasing and dynamics, was: Guitar and lute

2005-08-30 Thread lapis bleu
> However, in dramatizing phrasing and dynamics in a way that is not > necessarily implied in period sources, how HIP is it? one may be facing a sort of tradeoff - one may have to choose either to preserve (technical) praxis or (emotional) achievement. if one can't save them both, there are no wo

[LUTE] Re: Guitar and lute

2005-08-30 Thread jim abraham
Here's a reason: Bach didn't write any baroque guitar music. I find that most of the guitar repertoire, "ancient" and modern, though often charming, not nearly as compelling as Bach. That's the great pity for someone like me: don't like playing "keyboard" because it lacks intimacy and resonance,

[LUTE] Re: Guitar and lute

2005-08-30 Thread Howard Posner
Eugene C. Braig IV wrote: > However, I have always > wondered why modern guitarists shun baroque guitar music in favor of > transcription from music for wholly dissimilar instruments like cello > or > violin. Because the violin and cello are, in their way, less dissimilar. If you play them str

[LUTE] FDM-83 fingering question

2005-08-30 Thread Stewart McCoy
Thanks to Ed for reproducing David's message, which arrived as a blank message the other day, and I had no idea what it was about. The passage under discussion is a tricky one. However, the really interesting bit is what follows, because that will determine to some extent what you do. I agree wit

[LUTE] Re: Guitar and lute

2005-08-30 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
At 10:13 AM 8/30/2005, Ed Durbrow wrote: > > If you're playing the cello suites, it's > > no more authentic to play them on the lute than the CG -- is it > > easier? > >I think it IS more authentic since there are contemporary examples in >tablature of Bach's music and the CG as we know it didn't

[LUTE] Re: [VIHUELA] uke as Baroque guitar

2005-08-30 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
At 07:34 AM 8/30/2005, Ed Durbrow wrote: >Maybe if Corbetta were alive today. I think I saw him use a down >and up stroke with the thumb on the first string. Didillo? Naw, dedillo. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: phrasing and dynamics, was: Guitar and lute

2005-08-30 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
First, I agree; the should be to play it like you mean it. However, in dramatizing phrasing and dynamics in a way that is not necessarily implied in period sources, how HIP is it? Eugene At 07:17 AM 8/30/2005, lapis bleu wrote: >keeping alive any piece of ancient music is something weird, mayb

[LUTE] Re: Guitar and lute

2005-08-30 Thread Ed Durbrow
On Aug 30, 2005, at 1:01 PM, jim abraham wrote: > A lot is made about using the right lute for the > job: 8-10 course lute for Dowland, That should be 7 to 9 course. > If you're playing the cello suites, it's > no more authentic to play them on the lute than the CG -- is it > easier? I thi

[LUTE] Re: Renaissance Lute: after Hans Frei or after Vendelio Venere?

2005-08-30 Thread Ed Durbrow
On Aug 30, 2005, at 8:04 AM, James A Stimson wrote: > You can play virtually all of Dowland's solo music on an eight-course > lute. And 90% of it on a 7 course. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- To get on or off this list see list information a

[LUTE] Re: online scores (2)

2005-08-30 Thread Markus Lutz
Seems to be the download directory of the Choral Public Domain Library. Under http://www.cpdl.org/ you will find the catalogues and a possibility to search the files. Best Markus On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:50:31 +0200, Taco Walstra wrote: TW> oh, just for people who start to download files from th

[LUTE] online scores (2)

2005-08-30 Thread Taco Walstra
oh, just for people who start to download files from the website just mentioned by clicking with a mouse There is a nice utility which is called wget (ofcourse standard on linux), but if you install cygwin on windows you can use it too, which rips all the files from a website. Prevents RSI p

[LUTE] online scores

2005-08-30 Thread Taco Walstra
On Tuesday 30 August 2005 08:56, you wrote: > Hi, > try this adress: > http://wso.williams.edu/cpdl/sheet/arc-qua2.pdf > Perhaps many of you didn't strip off the pdf filename, but if you do you'll find a website which contains an incredible large number of scores in pdf. (complete bach cantat

[LUTE] Re: [VIHUELA] uke as Baroque guitar

2005-08-30 Thread Ed Durbrow
On Aug 30, 2005, at 6:15 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.collegehumor.com/movies/159572/ > > - a video of a young bloke playing a Beatles ditty on a (large) > uke. He's a very good player. > > He's mixing strumming and punteado. He's adding notes to strummed

[LUTE] Re: FDM-83 fingering question

2005-08-30 Thread Ed Durbrow
On Aug 29, 2005, at 1:16 PM, David Cassetti wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a question about fingering a passage of Francesco da Milano's > Fantasia 83 starting a measure 23: > >1 2 2 > > ___c___e__c___cb > |__d___c__d|__c_ > |__f___d__f_

[LUTE] Re: Guitar and lute + theory

2005-08-30 Thread Craig Allen
Jim, To tag on to what Sal wrote below, here's a link for Amazon to the aforementioned book by Nigel. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0253314151/qid=1125400417/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-0458052-6458411?v=glance&s=books Regards, Craig -- Original Message --

[LUTE] Re: Guitar and lute + theory

2005-08-30 Thread Sal Salvaggio
Jim Concerning Music Theory - study basso continuo on your instrumeni - chord inversions and such - Nigel North has a great book on the subject. Sal Salvatore Salvaggio http://www.Salvaggio.50megs.com Start your day wit

[LUTE] Re: Ophee - his views

2005-08-30 Thread Ed Durbrow
On Aug 29, 2005, at 8:41 PM, G.R. Crona wrote: > What is at stake is the freedom of speech, > and when we start curtailing it, for whatever reason, we are being > no better > then those bullies who seemingly take over an international forum > which was > created for discussing lute-matters t

[LUTE] Re: Melchior Neusidler

2005-08-30 Thread LGS-Europe
Dear Stewart > Unfortunately I don't have the 4-part score to hand, but I do have > an intabulation by Bakfark in the same key. I have compared the > first 20 bars of the Newsidler and Bakfark versions one above the It's what I am doing: comparing Arcadelt's four part madrigal with the intabulati

[LUTE] Re: MN 1574 intabulation.

2005-08-30 Thread LGS-Europe
Dear Arthur >> There's also an intabulation by Francesco (No. 123)., as I already told David. Many intabulations are made from other intabulations. So Bakfark and MN may be based on the same basic intabulation, done up in their individual style of ornamentation. << So I gathered as much, compari

[LUTE] Re: MN 1574 intabulation.

2005-08-30 Thread LGS-Europe
Dear Dana > Jobin was active in music printing earlier while in Strassbourg, using a > distinctive font which has at least three sizes of type, all used > interchangeably, and each size had subtle differences in orthography. I > recall quite a bit of confusion working with that documents fascimil

[LUTE] Melchior Neusidler

2005-08-30 Thread Stewart McCoy
Thanks, Wolfgang. That's just what we need. All the best, Stewart. - Original Message - From: "Wolfgang Wiehe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Lute Net'" Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 7:56 AM Subject: [LUTE] AW: Melchior Neusidler > Hi, > try this adress: > http://wso.williams.edu/cpdl/sh

[LUTE] Guitar and lute

2005-08-30 Thread Stewart McCoy
Dear Jim, There is absolutely no law which says that you have to play a piece of music on the instrument for which it was written. It might help you understand the music better by playing it on a historically correct instrument, and the chances are that it will work better and make more sense, but