[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Giesbert Schule fur die Barocklaute

2009-03-19 Thread ml
I bought it new for a reasonable price (aprox 45 Euros) here: www.ars-antiqva.com It's a shop in Madrid specialized in Early Music material, both books and printed music, with a huge string assortment, and some instruments. The lady on command is very helpful and knowdgeable. Saludos,

[LUTE] Re: Hi guys, nylon frets...

2009-03-19 Thread David Tayler
Another factor to consider is pullups, if you use them. I use three different ways to tune the notes, the most common is to pull the note up to pitch, and the most common of these are the thirds on the second fret that are pulled up--normally sideways while pressing down toward the treble

[LUTE] Re: String depression

2009-03-19 Thread Martyn Hodgson
I am extremely sceptical about this claim, if only for the insignificant change in pitch which would be achieved by an additional depression of say 0.5mm (ie from stopping the string without bottoming to the fingerboard and fully depressed) . By way of an example: the increase in

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Giesbert Schule fur die Barocklaute

2009-03-19 Thread Markus Lutz
This tutor also was my first baroque lute teacher and I can only concur with all that Mathias said. It is a good starting point. And it was published in 1939 ! But is still available as far as I know!!! Beware of the expensive offers in antiquarian book shops Markus Mathias Rösel schrieb:

[LUTE] Re: String depression

2009-03-19 Thread Lex van Sante
I find that depressing the string more or less, especially next to the fret does indeed alter the pitch significantly. This can indeed be used to change temperament temporarily. It is also not just the pitch that is important but also the fact that one can make the pitch to increase (or

[LUTE] Re: String depression

2009-03-19 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Perhaps you are, in practice, actually pulling it sideways which is the usual way of raising the pitch as, indeed, someone else has already mentioned. Sideways movement is effectively independent of fret size which is the point of discussion. Have I got the decimal point in the

[LUTE] Unknown lute composer

2009-03-19 Thread Mathias Rösel
Dear Collected Wisdom, is someone aware of a lute composer named Ludovicus de Geer (probably in German speaking area) who published his music for the 10c lute in 1639? -- Mathias To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Wiener Kunsthistorisches Museum

2009-03-19 Thread Mathias Rösel
Liebe Freunde in Österreich, kennt jemand von Euch ein Bild im Kunsthistorischen Museum zu Wien, auf dem eine so genannte double-headed French lute zu sehen ist? Ich habe hier geschaut, aber nichts gefunden: http://www.khm.at/de/kunsthistorisches-museum/sammlungen/gemaeldegalerie/ Does someone

[LUTE] Re: String depression

2009-03-19 Thread William Brohinsky
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:00 AM, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:   Perhaps you are, in practice, actually pulling it sideways which is the   usual way of raising the pitch as, indeed, someone else has already   mentioned. Sideways movement is effectively independent of fret

[LUTE] Re: String depression

2009-03-19 Thread Martyn Hodgson
We seem to be at cross purposes: what I call 'pulling it (the string) sideways' is what you, I think, call 'bending'. MH --- On Thu, 19/3/09, William Brohinsky tiorbin...@gmail.com wrote: From: William Brohinsky tiorbin...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: String

[LUTE] Re: String depression

2009-03-19 Thread howard posner
On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:14 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote: We seem to be at cross purposes: what I call 'pulling it (the string) sideways' is what you, I think, call 'bending'. You're not, and he isn't. He's specifically describing axial motion (parallel or along the axis) in contrast to the

[LUTE] Re: String depression

2009-03-19 Thread William Brohinsky
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: We seem to be at cross purposes: what I call 'pulling it (the string) sideways'  is what you, I think, call 'bending'. MH It is certain that what you are calling pulling is what I am calling bending. This was the

[LUTE] Re: Unknown lute composer

2009-03-19 Thread Spring, aus dem, Rainer
ERm, try Google Best wishes, Rainer aus dem Spring IT Business Solutions Division Tel.: +49 211-5296-355 Fax.: +49 211-5296-405 SMTP: rspringaus...@tee.toshiba.de -Original Message- From: Mathias Rösel [mailto:mathias.roe...@t-online.de] Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009

[LUTE] Re: String depression

2009-03-19 Thread Lex van Sante
I couln't have said it better.:) Lex Op 19 mrt 2009, om 15:35 heeft William Brohinsky het volgende geschreven: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: We seem to be at cross purposes: what I call 'pulling it (the string) sideways' is what you, I

[LUTE] Ang: Unknown lute composer

2009-03-19 Thread kenneth.sp...@bredband.net
Have a look at my page http://www.tabulatura.com/FRELUTE.htm and look for Louis de Geer. Best wishes Kenneth Sparr Ursprungligt meddelande Från: mathias.roe...@t-online.de Datum: 19-03-2009 10:17 Till: Lutelistlute@cs.dartmouth.edu Ärende: [LUTE] Unknown lute composer Dear Collected

[LUTE] Re: Unknown lute composer

2009-03-19 Thread Mathias Rösel
Thank you, erm... (wouldn't think it's so easy). M Spring, aus dem, Rainer rspringaus...@tee.toshiba.de schrieb: ERm, try Google Best wishes, Rainer aus dem Spring IT Business Solutions Division Tel.: +49 211-5296-355 Fax.: +49 211-5296-405 SMTP:

[LUTE] Re: String depression

2009-03-19 Thread damian dlugolecki
Yes indeed. The human ear can detect these small variations in pitch. A gut string stretched over time will lose much of it's yield strength which equates somewhat to elasticity. So even a minor push against these limits will cause a significant change in pitch. Damian I

[LUTE] Re: Unknown lute composer

2009-03-19 Thread Andreas Schlegel
Have a look on http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/de/Abhandlung/Abhandlung.html and download the work of François-Pierre Goy. You will have 19 search results and a very detailled discussion of the manuscripts. Andreas Am 19.03.2009 um 10:17 schrieb Mathias Rösel: Dear Collected Wisdom, is

[LUTE] Re: String depression

2009-03-19 Thread Alexander Batov
The rise in pitch when the string is depressed (fingered) is more to do with the increase in its tension, not lengthening. Or rather both but the effect from the latter is negligible. AB Martyn Hodgson wrote: I am extremely sceptical about this claim, if only for the insignificant

[LUTE] Re: Unknown lute composer

2009-03-19 Thread Mathias Rösel
Lieber Andi, vielen Dank für den Hinweis. Die Abhandlung habe ich natürlich schon lange heruntergeladen, aber leider bin ich des Französischen bei weitem nicht so mächtig, wie ich es gern wäre 8| Trotzdem versuche ich mir die betreffenden Abschnitte zu übersetzen. Danke noch mal! -- Viele Grüße

[LUTE] Re: String depression

2009-03-19 Thread Sean Smith
On Mar 19, 2009, at 2:07 PM, Alexander Batov wrote: The rise in pitch when the string is depressed (fingered) is more to do with the increase in its tension, not lengthening. Or rather both but the effect from the latter is negligible. AB Exactly. That is why you can raise the pitch

[LUTE] Re: String depression

2009-03-19 Thread chriswilke
Sean, --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Sean Smith lutesm...@mac.com wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong here: Strings that are at a lower tension are more susceptible to this form of bending. That is why we see scalloped frets on older wire instruments and less on modern (higher tension) guitars. I

[LUTE] Re: String depression

2009-03-19 Thread Sean Smith
Hmmm. I just went to the Fender site and the YM Tribute model seems more like low frets. I would think it's more advantage to have that extra bending axis. I'm thinking more like a suspension bridge and they're probably out there. Sean On Mar 19, 2009, at 5:59 PM, chriswi...@yahoo.com

[LUTE] Re: String depression

2009-03-19 Thread Peter Nightingale
On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Sean Smith wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong here: Strings that are at a lower tension are more susceptible to this form of bending. That is why we see scalloped frets on older wire instruments and less on modern (higher tension) guitars. It's not the tension but the

[LUTE] Re: String depression

2009-03-19 Thread Sean Smith
It's not the tension but the stiffness of the strings that counts. Peter. I don't understand how that affects the pitch in this situation. The pitch is tied to the tension and I can't increase the tension without bending the string into the crevice. A stiff string wouldn't

[LUTE] Re: String depression

2009-03-19 Thread Peter Nightingale
On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Sean Smith wrote: It's not the tension but the stiffness of the strings that counts. Peter. I don't understand how that affects the pitch in this situation. The pitch is tied to the tension and I can't increase the tension without bending the string into the