[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-17 Thread Alain Veylit
If you really want to have a blast at the awful English language, look for something called "law French", a language understood only by English lawyers and very much alive until at least the 18th century. It makes modern legaleeze sound simple, although still difficult to read because in very s

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-17 Thread T.J. Sellari
Re: Shakespeare authorship question There are many theories that purport to cast doubt on Shakespeare's authorship of the plays attributed to him, but scholars of English Renaisssance literature consider them largely nonsense. I suggest you take a look at _Contested Will_ by James Sh

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-17 Thread Dan Winheld
The Olde Shakespeherian Rage doth blow againe.  Stray not too farre from Occam's Barbershop-  whenever necessary, he giveth a very close shave indeed! (And mayhap a cittern, even a lute may be hanging on the wall- keeping our wayward thread music related...) On 9/17/2018 9:40 AM, Ron Andrico w

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-17 Thread Roman Turovsky
The computer analysis of Shakespeare’s vocabulary conducted some 20 years ago has determined that it matched the Warwickshire dialect. So all the conspiracy theories apropos have been blown out the water. RT Sent from my iPad On Sep 17, 2018, at 12:40 PM, Ron Andrico wrote: I'm familiar w

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-17 Thread T.J. Sellari
I hope we might include Shakespeare scholars in the group of "thinking" people who have considered this question; they indeed have made the relevant scholarship a focus of their careers. As I'm sure many on this list know already, no scholar proposes that Shakespeare wrote every word

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-17 Thread Mathias Rösel
Well, it does have to do a bit with lute music. There was a theory that the music published by Le Sage de Riche (Breslau, 1695) was not composed by him because the author of that theory couldn't find further evidence for the existence of Le Sage. I objected that according to a rema

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-17 Thread Rainer
On 17.09.2018 17:19, T.J. Sellari wrote: Re: Shakespeare authorship question There are many theories that purport to cast doubt on Shakespeare's authorship of the plays attributed to him, but scholars of English Renaisssance literature consider them largely nonsense. I suggest you

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-17 Thread Mathias Rösel
One correction. [Note to self: Don't quote from memory!] The respective quote about Le Sage reads as follows: "As an example of this inherited art in a bourgeois Silesian family, let us cite the Kropfganss family. The eldest, Johann Kasper, was a student of Philipp Franz Le Sage de Richee, one

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-17 Thread T.J. Sellari
Well, you advanced a particular (erroneous) argument, which I countered. I certainly won't take your word--or Mark Twain's, for that matter--for it, because I have read quite a bit of the relevant research on such questions. You keep claiming membership to a group of "thinking" peopl

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-17 Thread Ido Shdaimah
I hereby propose the following theory: Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina is a fiction; much like Santa Claus, if you will. You see, I, among a host of thinking people deem it impossible for one man from Rome to compose such a large oeuvre: 105 masses, 68 offertories, at least 140 madr

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-17 Thread T.J. Sellari
Just one note on historical research: no amount of affection for the working class or justified criticism of intelligence agencies can make up for a lack of evidence for a historical claim. Tom On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 5:55 AM Ron Andrico <[1]praelu...@hotmail.com> wrote:

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-17 Thread howard posner
Ron Andrico wrote: > > As for the less-than-eloquent William Shakespeare, it's just plain silly to > think he actually wrote the canon commonly attributed to his name. He was a > player, a station lower than that of a professional musician. He was a landowner, a station rather higher than

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-17 Thread howard posner
> On Sep 17, 2018, at 1:37 AM, Alain Veylit wrote: > > look for something called "law French", a language understood only by English > lawyers and very much alive until at least the 18th century. It makes modern > legaleeze sound simple, Law English is still largely French: words like estopp

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-17 Thread RCP
I do so love the pointless bickering. It buoys our spirits and makes better lutenists of us all! Pray do carry on! Bob Purrenhage On 9/17/2018 10:43 PM, howard posner wrote: Ron Andrico [1] wrote: As for the less-than-eloquent William Shakespeare, it's just plain silly to thi nk he

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-17 Thread Alain Veylit
Small letters: I was referring to small print warnings on most credit card, mortgage, etc, application forms. My most recent encounter was on a bottle of French wine, in gold letters on a burgundy colored sticker that literally required a microscope to read. It said: indication géo