[LUTE] Re: Dowland's first book of songes

2019-05-25 Thread howard posner
> On May 25, 2019, at 12:39 PM, guy_and_liz Smith wrote: > > At a seminar I attended some years ago, Pat O'Brien made a plausible case > that Can She Excuse (which is based on the Earl of Essex galliard) is a > veiled reference to the relationship between Elizabeth and Robert, Earl of > Essex.

[LUTE] Re: Dowland's first book of songes

2019-05-25 Thread Alain Veylit
The text of Can she excuse is "probably" by the Earl of Essex himself according to some scholars. See: [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Can_She_Excuse_My_Wrongs - but there is no conclusive evidence other than the dedication of the Galliard to Essex over 10 years after the First book

[LUTE] Re: Dowland's first book of songes

2019-05-25 Thread guy_and_liz Smith
At a seminar I attended some years ago, Pat O'Brien made a plausible case that Can She Excuse (which is based on the Earl of Essex galliard) is a veiled reference to the relationship between Elizabeth and Robert, Earl of Essex. They were widely believed to be lovers early on, but it didn't last

[LUTE] Re: Dowland's first book of songes

2019-05-25 Thread Alain Veylit
I get your point Tristan. Ann Boleyn might have disagreed with you though regarding the status of women in 16th century England. But I guess you can add that to your list of evidence that Queen Liz was really a guy :) And I found no evidence that Dowland's pining love songs were even indirectly

[LUTE] Re: Dowland's first book of songes

2019-05-25 Thread Tristan von Neumann
On 25.05.19 20:00, Alain Veylit wrote:  Dude, you lived in a completely patriarchal society and you still manage to blame her for torturing you! ) I knew it!!! Queen Elizabeth was a man!!! To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/inde

[LUTE] Re: Dowland's first book of songes

2019-05-25 Thread Andre Nieuwlaat
I remember reading somewhere (I can't remember where) that the lay-out of the First Booke of Songes is remarkably similar to, not to say identical with that of a manuscript source: BL 31390. A facsimile of that source is available at [1]https://www.diamm.ac.uk/sources/1888/#/ It is w

[LUTE] Re: Dowland's first book of songes

2019-05-25 Thread Alain Veylit
It is enough to click the Send button on a question to the lute list for Google to bring you (some of) the answer one second later... It was indeed the first. "While he was in London, Dowland published his first collection of music, The First Booke of Songes or Ayres of Foure Partes

[LUTE] Re: Dowland's first book of songes

2019-05-25 Thread Yuval Dvoran
That's the best book I know about the song books, unfortunately in German, but you could try to borrow it somewhere, I'm sure he writes also about the authors of the poems: https://www.amazon.de/Text-Musik-John-Dowland-Vokalkompositionen/dp/3888492076/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?keywords=John+Dowland+kelnber

[LUTE] Re: Dowland's first book of songes

2019-05-25 Thread Alain Veylit
What is the current consensus on the authorship of the verses in Dowland's 1st book of songes (1597)? Any attributions to some one other than Dowland himself? Also, I'll take any information about the actual printing job: is it the first example of the layout with lute + cantus on one page and