[LUTE] Re: Double Top

2020-03-25 Thread Konstantin Shchenikov
Some years ago St Petersburg luthier Mikhail Fedchenko experimented with double top lute. He built renaissance lute for Arkadi Burkhanov, lutenist from Novosibirsk and music director of 'Insula Magica' ensemble. I had some experience with this lute and I'm not happy at all. Yes, i

[LUTE] Re: Things to play in quarantine

2020-03-25 Thread howard posner
Very informative, thank you > On Mar 24, 2020, at 11:41 AM, Bill Eisele wrote: > > Unfortunately, the problem you're describing is caused by latency over the > internet. So, teleconferencing apps like FaceTime, Zoom, and Skype won't > allow you to play with other musicians. It will definitely

[LUTE] Re: Double Top

2020-03-25 Thread Mark Probert
John wrote: > >Interesting article, but I would take issue with many of his points, as >did many of the 58 people that responded to the blog. > I totally agree with you, his reaction is extreme. As someone who makes electric instruments, I have no issue with loudness, none at all. And I

[LUTE] Re: Double Top

2020-03-25 Thread John Mardinly
That is a serious concern. Repairability of the top is something that is probably very limited, although the rest of the construction and bracing is fairly conventional. My luthier gave me a 10 year written warranty, although with me being nearly 71 and corona virus all around, the b

[LUTE] Re: Double Top

2020-03-25 Thread theoj89294
My concern with a double top is longevity: How will that top hold up 50, 100, 150 years from now? Any structure built up from layers glued together, and subject to vibration, will presumably come apart, eventually. What will look like in a double top? Loose Braces, detached bridges a

[LUTE] Re: Double Top

2020-03-25 Thread John Mardinly
If I could have gotten a Matthias Damman for 15,000 euros, I would get two. From what I have seen, they go for something like $35,000 US, and there is a 10 year wait list for a new one. I bought a Jeremy Cooper ([1]http://cooperguitars.com/index.html) had only a 1.5 year wait and pai

[LUTE] Re: Double Top

2020-03-25 Thread John Mardinly
The first time I heard Jason Vieaux on a Gernot Wagner, was in a church. I had never heard of Gernot Wagner at the time, and did not know any of the details of the construction. I thought the incredible sound, response and sustain was because of the church. I was wrong. It was the gu

[LUTE] Re: Double Top

2020-03-25 Thread John Mardinly
Mark; Interesting article, but I would take issue with many of his points, as did many of the 58 people that responded to the blog. He got a headache and bellyache from listening to a guitar in a concert hall? I think that borders on hysterics. To say that Segovia would not approve

[LUTE] Re: Double Top

2020-03-25 Thread Edward Martin
Two years ago, classic guitar virtuoso Jason Vieaux visited my city and had an incredible concert and master class. Jason is a Grammy winning artist. His guitar had a double top, and it was perhaps the loudest guitar I have ever heard. I played a small passage on it (he offered) and it is incred

[LUTE] Re: Lute Tablature using Finale

2020-03-25 Thread Mac User
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 2:30 PM, Tristan von Neumann > wrote: > > Wow thanks. That's some progress. > > Unfortunately, this creates Thysius style tabs with the 7th line always > present, which is weird to read as I tend to confuse the lower courses. > > Is there a possibility to hide the 7th

[LUTE] Re: Double Top

2020-03-25 Thread John Mardinly
I have heard the terminology ‘composite top' and 'sandwich top' in addition to ‘double top', and they all refer to similar construction, although the earliest ‘double top' guitars used a layer of a hexagonal synthetic material called Nomex in between the two paper thin layers on

[LUTE] Re: Double Top

2020-03-25 Thread G. C.
How in the world would such a lute look like? And how would you be able to tune the second set? Maybe he meant something like the Mace double lute? (Dipharion?) On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 10:05 PM Mathias Rösel <[1]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> wrote: Anthony Bailes mentioned Ma

[LUTE] Re: Double Top

2020-03-25 Thread Mathias Rösel
Anthony Bailes mentioned Marin Mersenne, Harmonie Universelle (1636), who speaks about the possibility of building a lute with two soundboards with strings on both of them, gut strings on one, metal strings on the other (that's about resonance, I suppose). (Lute News 85, April 2008) Mathias -

[LUTE] Lute Tablature on Musescore

2020-03-25 Thread Markus Lutz
Hello, it is not too difficult to get more than 6 courses with Musescore, but it is necessary to get a higher version than 2.3 (I think this was the first version that had also worked with more courses). Possibly the version you use, Tristan, is below that version. But you can easily download

[LUTE] Re: Double Top

2020-03-25 Thread David Smith
I have heard both sandwiched and double top used. The term double top is more common in the states. David -Original Message- From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu On Behalf Of Joachim Lüdtke Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:56 AM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Do

[LUTE] Re: Lute Tablature using Finale

2020-03-25 Thread guy_and_liz Smith
Yes, that's how I am using it so it's definitely possible. That said It's been several months since I last used MuseScore for tablature, so my memory is a bit fuzzy. IIRC you use the Staff/Properties dialog to set the number of lines to six (near the top). It then treats the seventh and lower co

[LUTE] Re: Lute Tablature using Finale

2020-03-25 Thread Tristan von Neumann
Wow thanks. That's some progress. Unfortunately, this creates Thysius style tabs with the 7th line always present, which is weird to read as I tend to confuse the lower courses. Is there a possibility to hide the 7th line and only show when it is used, like "normal" tabs? :) On 25.03.20 18:46,

[LUTE] Re: Lute Tablature using Finale

2020-03-25 Thread guy_and_liz Smith
Just in case it wasn't clear, I'm talking about MuseScore, not Finale. Also, here's the relevant online help URL for the Staff/Part Properties dialog: https://musescore.org/en/handbook/staff-part-properties -Original Message- From: guy_and_liz Smith Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1

[LUTE] Re: Lute Tablature using Finale

2020-03-25 Thread guy_and_liz Smith
Right-click the staff and select Staff/Part Properties from the context dialog. There are actually two context dialogs, so you might need to move the cursor and click a few times to get the one with this option. Use the dialog's Edit String Data (near the bottom) to add strings and define their

[LUTE] Re: Double Top

2020-03-25 Thread Joachim Lüdtke
Dear David, dear list, I was a bit puzzled at first because I know the term double top, but only pointing to instruments like e.g. Marcard guitars with a second, 'interior' soundboard. What you describe is what I think is usually called a sandwiched soundboard. Is my terminology too limited or

[LUTE] Re: Double Top

2020-03-25 Thread David Smith
That cost is what a master builder charges for classical guitars - 10k-20k is pretty normal. The cost of doing a double top is really not that high. The materials are not expensive and vacuum is used for a lot of other things in the shop. I use it for attaching bridges and holding instruments wh

[LUTE] Re: Double Top

2020-03-25 Thread Tristan von Neumann
For that money, I'd buy a Lute consort... I don't see any advantage... On 25.03.20 11:40, Jurgen Frenz wrote: I read about the process to make such an instrument - from memory the two slices are glued together under vacuum, to me it sounds like quite a costly process. The guitars made by the

[LUTE] Re: Lute Tablature using Finale

2020-03-25 Thread Tristan von Neumann
If you have a newer version, the lute can be found in the instrument list. When you use the wizard, there should be a menu "plucked instruments" filed under "early music". Click "Lute (Tablature" and you get a 6 line staff. Edit as usual, but you get letters. As I said, more th

[LUTE] Re: Double Top

2020-03-25 Thread Jurgen Frenz
I read about the process to make such an instrument - from memory the two slices are glued together under vacuum, to me it sounds like quite a costly process. The guitars made by the inventor of this technology Matthias Dammann cost 15 000 € a pop. Jürgne ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On