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-Original Message-
From: Arthur Ness [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed 3/21/2007 1:54 PM
To: Roman Turovsky
Cc: Lute Net
Subject: [LUTE] Re: [Viols] "cello" - Italian
Kevin Mason
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Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: [Viols] "cello" - Italian
> Generally the uni
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> Subject: [LUTE] Re: [Viols] "cello" - Italian
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>> If not, you
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: [Viols] "cello" - Italian
> If not, you should be able to get it from University
> Microfilms (or whatever
> their current name is). They maintain copies of pretty
> much
Ness [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:55 AM
To: Roman Turovsky
Cc: Lute Net
Subject: [LUTE] Re: [Viols] "cello" - Italian
Kevin Mason's dissertation on the chitaronne (1983) was
subsequently published Aberystwyth: Boethius Press,
1989. ISBN 0 86314 154 4 (an
Kevin Mason's dissertation on the chitaronne (1983) was
subsequently published Aberystwyth: Boethius Press,
1989. ISBN 0 86314 154 4 (and paperback 153 6). It may
still be in print. Now Severinus Press?
What has happened to Kevin? He seems to have
disappeared.
==ajn
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No. But I've seen lutes interbreed.
RT
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From: "Neill Vanhinsberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Lutelist"
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 1:12 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: [Viols] "cello&
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> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 10:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: [Viols] "cello" - Italian
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>
>
>> At 03:32 PM 3/18/2007, Stuart Walsh wrote:
>>
>&
At 11:24 AM 3/19/2007, Roman Turovsky wrote:
>Whatever it takes, to avoid being eaten, by any mechanism possible.
Absolutely.
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Whatever it takes, to avoid being eaten, by any mechanism possible.
RT
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From: "Eugene C. Braig IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lutelist"
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [
At 10:55 AM 3/19/2007, Roman Turovsky wrote:
>But hornet-fly borrowed the stripes for its progeny.
Errr... I think the mechanism might have been just a little different.
Eugene
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But hornet-fly borrowed the stripes for its progeny.
RT
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From: "Eugene C. Braig IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Stuart Walsh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Roman Turovsky"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007
At 03:32 PM 3/18/2007, Stuart Walsh wrote:
>Roman Turovsky wrote:
> > And I do. One of the earliest pieces of iconographic evidence shows a
> > sevenstringer with a raised fingerboard.
> > It is in my torban pages "regional iconography".
> > RT
> >
> >
>Guitars have been made with lots of variation
At 02:46 PM 3/18/2007, Lex Eisenhardt wrote:
> > > Maybe the chitarrone is indeed a 'big kithara', rather than a 'big
>chitarra' (or 'big kuitra')?
>
>
> > Chitarrone is the decendant of both, because they are the one, a decendant
> > of Roman era lutes.
> > RT
>
>In wikipedia it reads: 'It is impo
Thanks for the clarification.
Eugene
At 01:14 PM 3/18/2007, Lex Eisenhardt wrote:
>small
> > > lute-shaped
> > > instruments (like in Kircher), that probably had the interval of a
> > > fifth.
> >
> > Don't you mean intervals of a third and fourth respectively?
> >
> >
>
>As I understand it, it i
> Roman Turovsky wrote:
>> And I do. One of the earliest pieces of iconographic evidence shows a
>> sevenstringer with a raised fingerboard.
>> It is in my torban pages "regional iconography".
>> RT
>>
>>
> Guitars have been made with lots of variations in design and tuning.
>
> For example, Russi
uning.
For example, Russian guitars - with seven strings and detachable necks.
Good job that they've got raised fingerboards.
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> From: "Stuart Walsh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
>
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Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: [Viols] "cello" - Italian
>
>> Not only. Russian guitar is a cittern, but got a guitarlike body, for
>> similar evolutionary reasons.
>>
>
> I really, really don'
> Not only. Russian guitar is a cittern, but got a guitarlike body, for
> similar evolutionary reasons.
>
I really, really don't think the Russian guitar is a cittern.
Guitar - yes. Cittern - definitely not.
> RT
>
>
>
> From: "Lex Eisenhardt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>>> There is also suc
>> There is also such thing as evolutionary convergence. A hornet-fly has
>> developed the look of a real hornet, to avoid getting eaten. Ditto
> theorbo.
>> RT
>
> There is one essential difference. Evolution only works with living
> creatures.
> Lex
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lute
RT
To g
Not only. Russian guitar is a cittern, but got a guitarlike body, for
similar evolutionary reasons.
RT
From: "Lex Eisenhardt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> There is also such thing as evolutionary convergence. A hornet-fly has
>> developed the look of a real hornet, to avoid getting eaten. Ditto
> the
> There is also such thing as evolutionary convergence. A hornet-fly has
> developed the look of a real hornet, to avoid getting eaten. Ditto
theorbo.
> RT
There is one essential difference. Evolution only works with living
creatures.
Lex
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ht
There is also such thing as evolutionary convergence. A hornet-fly has
developed the look of a real hornet, to avoid getting eaten. Ditto theorbo.
RT
>> > Maybe the chitarrone is indeed a 'big kithara', rather than a 'big
> chitarra' (or 'big kuitra')?
>
>
>> Chitarrone is the decendant of both,
> > Maybe the chitarrone is indeed a 'big kithara', rather than a 'big
chitarra' (or 'big kuitra')?
> Chitarrone is the decendant of both, because they are the one, a decendant
> of Roman era lutes.
> RT
In wikipedia it reads: 'It is important to note that- although theorbo and
chitarrone are vi
> Now it is supposed that there has been a soprano (chitarrino) and a bass
> (chitarrone). Meucci shows one anonymous painting of a player with an
> instrument that looks like a four course lute, which he thinks may be a
> 'chitarra comune'. The problem with these instruments is that there seems
small
> > lute-shaped
> > instruments (like in Kircher), that probably had the interval of a
> > fifth.
>
> Don't you mean intervals of a third and fourth respectively?
>
>
As I understand it, it is supposed that the mandora in Kircher (as in
Praetorius) is a chitarra Italiana. With Kircher the tu
2007 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: [Viols] "cello" - Italian
> On Sat, 17 Mar 2007, Roman Turovsky wrote:
>
>> > On Sat, 17 Mar 2007, Roman Turovsky wrote:
>> >
>> > > > This is fun! :-)
>> > > > So violone is a big viola, as chi
On Sat, 17 Mar 2007, Roman Turovsky wrote:
> > On Sat, 17 Mar 2007, Roman Turovsky wrote:
> >
> > > > This is fun! :-)
> > > > So violone is a big viola, as chitarrone is a big (ancient Greek)
> > > > cithara,
> > > Actually not. Chitarrone is a big CHITARRA ITALIANA.
> >
> > Are you sure? Referen
- Original Message -
From: Lex Eisenhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Saturday, March 17, 2007 4:41 pm
Subject: [LUTE] Re: [Viols] "cello" - Italian
> This is Millioni's way to say that we can play from alfabeto on
> the chitarra
> Italiana by omitting all t
>> > Like I said, I've read Meucci's article. The trouble is that
>> > iconography
>> > doesn't say 'this is a chitarra Italiana'.
>> Surely it does. A 3-4course lute-shaped axe that looks like KUITRA looks
>> pretty obvious to me.
>> RT
>
> It seems no more than a guess that this was the instrume
> > Like I said, I've read Meucci's article. The trouble is that iconography
> > doesn't say 'this is a chitarra Italiana'.
> Surely it does. A 3-4course lute-shaped axe that looks like KUITRA looks
> pretty obvious to me.
> RT
It seems no more than a guess that this was the instrument that Millio
>
>> Chitarra Italiana is a LUTE SHAPED, as opposed to spanish *8*, from
> 3course
>> up. Related to Kuitra. There is a fair amount of iconography.
>> RT
>>
>
> Like I said, I've read Meucci's article. The trouble is that iconography
> doesn't say 'this is a chitarra Italiana'.
Surely it does. A 3-
I think Meucci is "right on the money" as we say in American.
RT
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From: "Lex Eisenhardt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Arto Wikla"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
Sent: Saturday,
"Arto Wikla"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: [Viols] "cello" - Italian
>> > So violone is a big viola, as chitarrone is a big (ancient Greek)
> cithara,
>> Actually not. Chitarrone is a big CHITARRA ITALIAN
> On Sat, 17 Mar 2007, Roman Turovsky wrote:
>
>> > This is fun! :-)
>> > So violone is a big viola, as chitarrone is a big (ancient Greek)
>> > cithara,
>> Actually not. Chitarrone is a big CHITARRA ITALIANA.
>
> Are you sure? References?
>
> Arto
Yes. Sure enough. Renato Meucci.
http://users.uni
> > So violone is a big viola, as chitarrone is a big (ancient Greek)
cithara,
> Actually not. Chitarrone is a big CHITARRA ITALIANA.
Any idea what that might be?
In Millioni 1631 it reads:
Chi volesse ancor'imparare à far le lettere per sonar' il Chitarrino, overo
Chitarra Italiana per via di
On Sat, 17 Mar 2007, Roman Turovsky wrote:
> > This is fun! :-)
> > So violone is a big viola, as chitarrone is a big (ancient Greek) cithara,
> Actually not. Chitarrone is a big CHITARRA ITALIANA.
Are you sure? References?
Arto
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>
> This is fun! :-)
> So violone is a big viola, as chitarrone is a big (ancient Greek) cithara,
Actually not. Chitarrone is a big CHITARRA ITALIANA.
RT
> and as capone is a big boss (when capo is just a normal boss).
> So violoncello is a little big viola! :)
>
> All the best,
>
> Arto
>
>
>
> >>> The root word here is "viola". The diminutive
> >> ending is "ino", giving "violino", "little viola".
> >
> > Meaning small viol, of course.
> >
> >> "ello" is an aggrandizing ending, so "violoncello" is "big viola".
> >
> > This is a bit backward. "Ello" is a diminutive, and a "violoncello
-ello in Italian usually means something cute - ino ( diminutive) means
something small
Birbante means something as rascal ( but it is usually used for children
when they steal jam - do they still do that?) -birbantello is used for a
child to joke with the fact that he actually stole jam but di
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