[LUTE] Re: Q on odd tunings for plucked instruments

2009-12-29 Thread Michael Good
I can't answer the original question, but I do want to a respond to a comment about MusicXML in the original post: > MusicXML records the fret and the pitch; but not the tuning > (its a big specification, might have missed that). MusicXML does indeed record the tuning for tablature staves. This i

[LUTE] Re: Q on odd tunings for plucked instruments

2009-12-29 Thread demery
>"We are of the opinion that the earliest picture of an undeniably wire >strung harp referred to in writing associated with the picture as an >Irish (or Scots) harp, much later to be known as clarsach, is from >Michael Praetorious, early 1600's. I dont have access to Roslyn Renche

[LUTE] Re: Q on odd tunings for plucked instruments

2009-12-29 Thread demery
>The note B relative to A being 440 hertz did not occur in history until >Edwardian times in the early 20th century so to call a note B earlier >than this seems pointless. ?!? dont see what 440 has to do with anything, this is a discussion of nominal pitch, not actual. are you tryin

[LUTE] Re: Q on odd tunings for plucked instruments

2009-12-29 Thread David van Ooijen
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Christopher Stetson wrote: >   Just a thought -- on the shamisen proper, twang and rattle are pretty >   much what you're going for. It's called sawari ans is indeed what what you're going for. I quote from my own website: "The nut is made in such a way that the

[LUTE] Re: Q on odd tunings for plucked instruments

2009-12-29 Thread Christopher Stetson
Just a thought -- on the shamisen proper, twang and rattle are pretty much what you're going for. >>> Ed Durbrow 12/28/2009 10:10 AM >>> On Dec 26, 2009, at 5:49 PM, David van Ooijen wrote: For my shamisen I have some silk strings - nylon too, big difference! - but

[LUTE] Re: Q on odd tunings for plucked instruments

2009-12-29 Thread David Tayler
Love that, although tough to prove. d >The note B relative to A being 440 hertz did not occur in history until >Edwardian times To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Q on odd tunings for plucked instruments

2009-12-29 Thread Ron Fletcher
A belated reply to this theme. Two B strings together on a clarsach (knee) harp? This message comes from a friend who performs on various instruments including this one... "We are of the opinion that the earliest picture of an undeniably wire strung harp referred to in writing a

[LUTE] Re: Q on odd tunings for plucked instruments

2009-12-28 Thread Ed Durbrow
On Dec 26, 2009, at 5:49 PM, David van Ooijen wrote: For my shamisen I have some silk strings - nylon too, big difference! - but never tried these on a lute. I have. [1]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/shamisenstring.html They were a bit twangy. or rattle-ly. An

[LUTE] Re: Q on odd tunings for plucked instruments

2009-12-26 Thread Rob MacKillop
I don't have a date - I'm thinking back 20 years or so. I imagine I got the information from Anne Hayman or Bill Taylor. Anne, if I remember her correctly, had some madcap theory to do with folk-lore, pixies, spiritual lay lines, and god-knows what else - although may be doing her a

[LUTE] Re: Q on odd tunings for plucked instruments

2009-12-26 Thread demery
>The Scots/Irish clarsach (medieval wire-string harp) of yore had the >two central strings tuned to b, and were referred to as the 'two >sisters'. I have a couple of theories as to why this should be. 1) one >of them was b flat Thanks for the mention, this is the first I have hear

[LUTE] Re: Q on odd tunings for plucked instruments

2009-12-26 Thread alexander
The top string is a, two bottom - e. The lowest string is fingered with the thumb, and the chords are built like: (from the bottom) e-a-c, and such. a On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:48:19 -0500 (EST) dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote: > > > I'm not sure I understand the question :) > > The problem is Mus

[LUTE] Re: Q on odd tunings for plucked instruments

2009-12-26 Thread demery
> I'm not sure I understand the question :) The problem is MusicXML, which records only fret and midi-pitch for modern tabulature. Modern tabulature is basically french form using numerals. Guitar, banjo, and mandolin (possibly bouzuki and modern cittern too) are published in modern tabulature;

[LUTE] Re: Q on odd tunings for plucked instruments

2009-12-26 Thread Ron Andrico
d the basses far more responsive than gut basses I have used. Best wishes, Ron Andrico www.mignarda.com > Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 09:49:26 +0100 > To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > From: davidvanooi...@gmail.com > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Q on odd tunings for plucked instruments

[LUTE] Re: Q on odd tunings for plucked instruments

2009-12-26 Thread David van Ooijen
On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 7:18 AM, David Tayler wrote: > David--I'm sorry if I asked you this before, but can the silk koto > strings be adapted for lute trebles? Koto strings are too thick, I should think. Perhaps one can get a thinner set, but that would still be too thick. It's one size fits all

[LUTE] Re: Q on odd tunings for plucked instruments

2009-12-25 Thread David Tayler
David--I'm sorry if I asked you this before, but can the silk koto strings be adapted for lute trebles? My baroque mandolin sounds best with silk trebles, and I wouldn't mind trying them on the renaissance lute. d At 09:23 AM 12/25/2009, you wrote: >On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Christopher S

[LUTE] Re: Q on odd tunings for plucked instruments

2009-12-25 Thread David van Ooijen
On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Christopher Stetson wrote: >   Hi, Dana and all, and best holiday wishes. Ideed, we should be celebrating Christmas! >   In re:  David van O's speculation about Asian zithers: A bit more about the Japanese koto, its tuning as well as notation, on my sashimisen p

[LUTE] Re: Q on odd tunings for plucked instruments

2009-12-25 Thread Christopher Stetson
Hi, Dana and all, and best holiday wishes. In re: David van O's speculation about Asian zithers: I'm not an expert, but I haven't found any duplicate-string tunings for Chinese guqin. Check at [1]www.silkqin.com if you're really interested, though. He's got all the tunings.

[LUTE] Re: Q on odd tunings for plucked instruments

2009-12-24 Thread Rob MacKillop
The Scots/Irish clarsach (medieval wire-string harp) of yore had the two central strings tuned to b, and were referred to as the 'two sisters'. I have a couple of theories as to why this should be. 1) one of them was b flat - necessary for medieval music theory and practice, 2) most

[LUTE] Re: Q on odd tunings for plucked instruments

2009-12-24 Thread alexander
On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:39:52 -0500 alexander wrote: > Ashamed to admit knowledge of this, but most of the balalaika family > instruments tune with two unison strings (it's not a pair, or course, > but two independent strings), starting with a-e-e for piccolo. > > http://www.juststrings.com/balal

[LUTE] Re: Q on odd tunings for plucked instruments

2009-12-24 Thread alexander
Ashamed to admit knowledge of this, but most of the balalaika family instruments tune with two unison strings (it's not a pair, or course, but two independent strings), starting with a-e-e for piccolo. http://www.juststrings.com/balalaika.html a. On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 17:42:30 + "Stewart McCo

[LUTE] Re: Q on odd tunings for plucked instruments

2009-12-24 Thread David van Ooijen
> Besides the strummed dulcimer, ignoring octaves and sympathetic drones, > can anyone think of an instrument which (sometimes) employs > duplicated-pitch open courses? Japanese Koto. I have no idea about the various other kinds (Korean, Chinese), but can imagine it's more or less the same for th

[LUTE] Re: Q on odd tunings for plucked instruments

2009-12-24 Thread David Tayler
I'm not sure I understand the question :) But I always ignore sympathetic drones. d At 04:08 PM 12/23/2009, you wrote: >Staff notation differes from tablature notation in many ways, but a >fundamental point of difference is that ordinary staff notation specifys >only the pitch of each note, and no