[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-07 Thread Ron Fletcher
You've got "Britain's Got Talent." What could be better than that? DR If you have never seen these shows, I can reveal that the first five or six are absolutely chronic, but enough to be comedy. Maybe there are the exceptional one or two acts that are passed for later in the series. It has b

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-07 Thread TonyChalkley
Nowadays - in a different era - we easily laugh at this stuff and at the polystyrene scraping ( a much more jokey, Cagey thing anyway)?. I'm not so sure we would have been so easily laughing back then. I remember going to a 'Fires of London' concert some decades ago, and laughing at what I

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-06 Thread Jelma van Amersfoort
aditional things. > Interest in Early Music in general and in the lute in particular is part of > that same process. > RT > > > > - Original Message - From: "wikla" > To: "David Rastall" > Cc: "Roman Turovsky" ; "Lutelist"

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-06 Thread Roman Turovsky
From: "David Rastall" On Oct 6, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote: From: "Stuart Walsh" Nowadays - in a different era - we easily laugh at this stuff and at the polystyrene scraping ( a much more jokey, Cagey thing anyway)?. I'm not so sure we would have been so easily laughing bac

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-06 Thread David Rastall
On Oct 6, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote: From: "Stuart Walsh" Nowadays - in a different era - we easily laugh at this stuff and at the polystyrene scraping ( a much more jokey, Cagey thing anyway)?. I'm not so sure we would have been so easily laughing back then. Now all that -

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-06 Thread Roman Turovsky
From: "Stuart Walsh" Nowadays - in a different era - we easily laugh at this stuff and at the polystyrene scraping ( a much more jokey, Cagey thing anyway)?. I'm not so sure we would have been so easily laughing back then. Now all that - Stockhausen, Berio etc has almost all gone. In Britai

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-06 Thread Roman Turovsky
t;David Rastall" Cc: "Roman Turovsky" ; "Lutelist" Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 4:29 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes This is something I strongly disagree! Roman said that "EM revival in general was a reaction to this type of (neo)modernism&quo

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-06 Thread howard posner
On Oct 5, 2009, at 5:41 AM, Christopher Stetson wrote: > Have we noticed that almost all of the world finds both lutes and >polyfoam musically boring and irrelevant, and therefore ignores > both? "Almost all the world" does not know what a lute is, and therefore could not be bored by it. I

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-06 Thread Stuart Walsh
The piece reminded me of an ultra-low budget rip-off/ allusion/hommage of Stockhausen's Mikrophonie 1 (1964). Here's part of it (only 81/2 mins!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnkPtb9B69o&feature=related But you can see more details of the performers and what they are doing to the poor tam-t

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-06 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
9 11:34 AM > To: 'Eugene C. Braig IV'; 'Lutelist' > Subject: RE: [LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes > > Have you considered the possibility that it's actually somebody's thesis > research on human gullibility... > > Guy > > -Original

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-06 Thread Guy Smith
'Lutelist' Subject: [LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes I loved it, but I'm guessing not for the reasons the composers/performers want me to. I haven't laughed so hard in a very long time. I love the intent look of the performers and the crumbs that accumulate on their pant legs.

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-06 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
I loved it, but I'm guessing not for the reasons the composers/performers want me to. I haven't laughed so hard in a very long time. I love the intent look of the performers and the crumbs that accumulate on their pant legs...and the commentary posted to Youtube. Eugene > -Original Message

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-05 Thread wikla
This is something I strongly disagree! Roman said that "EM revival in general was a reaction to this type of (neo)modernism". I do not know, if Roman refers to 20's, 30's, 60's or 70's by the "EM revival", but in any of these cases I cannot see any reaction to "(neo)modernism". What I CAN see (at

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
than in his "music". RT - Original Message - From: To: "Roman Turovsky" ; "David Rastall" Cc: "Lutelist" Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes David, That's the biggest

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-05 Thread Christopher Stetson
ot;. RT - Original Message - From: To: "Roman Turovsky" ; "David Rastall" Cc: "Lutelist" Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes David, That's the biggest problem of all

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-05 Thread Christopher Stetson
- From: To: "Roman Turovsky" ; "David Rastall" Cc: "Lutelist" Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes David, That's the biggest problem of all with this sort of stuff - dead ser

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-05 Thread Mark Probert
Lest we consider this kind of "noise" unique to our generation, consider the following entry from around this day in 1664 by our dear friend Mr Pepys: "So to the Coffeehouse, and there fell in discourse with the Secretary of the Virtuosi of Gresham College, and had very fine discourse with him. H

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
list" Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes David, That's the biggest problem of all with this sort of stuff - dead seriousness. I forced myself to listen to all of this and found that there were actually a few interesting moments b

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
" ; Cc: "Lutelist" Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 8:41 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes Chris, Well, we don't really know that the composer is deadly serious, do we? Perhaps the fact that we're taking it so seriously is the joke, and he's

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-05 Thread Christopher Stetson
re us about the mind-boggling array of chance operations, algorithmic constructs or complex pre-compositional grids he used to generate the sonic events of "Manifest." Now, don't we feel stupid? Chris --- On Sun, 10/4/09, David Rastall wrote: > From: David Rastall

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-05 Thread chriswilke
about the mind-boggling array of chance operations, algorithmic constructs or complex pre-compositional grids he used to generate the sonic events of "Manifest." Now, don't we feel stupid? Chris --- On Sun, 10/4/09, David Rastall wrote: > From: David Rastall > Subject: [LUT

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-04 Thread David Rastall
On Oct 4, 2009, at 3:11 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote: > EM revival in general was a reaction to this type of (neo)modernism. In that context, anything is possible. I knew a college professor back in the day who was a composer. He called his work "radical-neo- post-diatonicism." The weird thing was

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-04 Thread Nedmast2
Yes, 1st bow definitely is a better player than 2nd bow and 3rd bow. But he's also got a much better sounding instrument. Probably from the golden age of styrofoam - the 1940s - and from the Dow Chemical factory. Ned -- To get on or off this list see list information at htt

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-04 Thread Ed Durbrow
Clearly that one guy is being embarrassed by the other two. His tone and technique are far superior. What's a star like that doing playing with those other losers? [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3506Ex097uY RT Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [2]edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-04 Thread Lex van Sante
I had one too but the wheel came off. Lex Op 4 okt 2009, om 14:53 heeft Roman Turovsky het volgende geschreven: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3506Ex097uY RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-04 Thread Roman Turovsky
13:09:07 -0400, "Roman Turovsky" wrote: It is, if you consider the larger culturological picture of modernity. RT - Original Message - From: "wikla" To: "Lutelist" Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 1:11 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes On S

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-04 Thread wikla
consider the larger culturological picture of modernity. > RT > > > - Original Message - > From: "wikla" > To: "Lutelist" > Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 1:11 PM > Subject: [LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes > > >> On

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-04 Thread Roman Turovsky
It is, if you consider the larger culturological picture of modernity. RT - Original Message - From: "wikla" To: "Lutelist" Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 1:11 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 08:53:34 -0400, "Roma

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-04 Thread wikla
On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 08:53:34 -0400, "Roman Turovsky" wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3506Ex097uY Quite interesting piece and performance, indeed, but I must disagree with Roman: To me that piece really is not the reason to play lutes. Arto To get on or off this list see list informati

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-04 Thread Robert Compton
I'm just hoping the audience didn't pay for this, I loved the pan across the crowd where they were either giggling or cringing. That is so hideous it's hilarious!! Good halloween soundtrack material. Polite applause at the end. Actually, Bart Hopkin in "Musical instrument Design" cites

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-04 Thread Ron Fletcher
The final movement was met with rapturous applause... The performance was equal to that of an electronic pest-controller and is not recommended for those who shudder at the sound of fingernails on a blackboard. Ron (UK) -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-04 Thread morgan cornwall
Even though all member of the trio intently they studied the score as they played, I couldn't help but notice small issues with their choice of phrasing (why chop up those long line into smaller phrases?). Too much showmanship and not enough value on the big picture. Their intonation was spot

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-04 Thread Nedmast2
If the composer's intent was to trigger our memories of sounds in nature - such as flocks of vocal birds and barking dogs - I would say he succeeded (at least in my case). But I prefer the natural sounds. Ned -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-04 Thread Jörg Hilbert
That’s why I quit playing the cello. Jörg Am 04.10.2009 um 14:53 schrieb Roman Turovsky: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3506Ex097uY RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-04 Thread Edward Martin
That is awful. ed At 07:53 AM 10/4/2009, Roman Turovsky wrote: >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3506Ex097uY > >RT > > > >To get on or off this list see list information at >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.av