[LUTE] Re: What's the historical reason for the bent down peg box?

2012-09-17 Thread Mark Warren
Well put, David! In the same vein, here's another suggestion: I'm not historically shrewd Yet, simply construed, What is the lute But the child of the oud? Which doesn't quite answer the 'why' question, of course, except to suggest that the reasons for the design may have their roots in an

[LUTE] Re: What's the historical reason for the bent down peg box?

2012-09-17 Thread Dan Winheld
My lute pegbox bent- It fits in the case that way! Damn archlute rebuild. On 9/16/2012 7:16 PM, David Tayler wrote: You ask, by the look on your face Why the pegbox bends back at the base It's not Broken, awry Or to stick in your eye It's just so it'll fit in the case

[LUTE] Re: What's the historical reason for the bent down peg box?

2012-09-16 Thread David Tayler
You ask, by the look on your face Why the pegbox bends back at the base It's not Broken, awry Or to stick in your eye It's just so it'll fit in the case -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: What's the historical reason for the bent down peg box?

2012-09-04 Thread Martyn Hodgson
: From: Edward Mast [2]nedma...@aol.com Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: What's the historical reason for the bent down peg box? To: Martyn Hodgson [3]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Date: Monday, 3 September, 2012, 14:48 Well, so much for assumptions. Thank

[LUTE] Re: What's the historical reason for the bent down peg box?

2012-09-04 Thread andy butler
t...@heartistrymusic.com wrote: I mentioned this to a friend who is not a musician, but a brilliant scientist. His immediate reaction was that the sharp angle of the string going over the nut to a right angle pegbox would have the same effect as a pulley in reducing the amount of pressure in

[LUTE] Re: What's the historical reason for the bent down peg box?

2012-09-03 Thread Martyn Hodgson
lutes. MH --- On Sun, 2/9/12, Edward Mast nedma...@aol.com wrote: From: Edward Mast nedma...@aol.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: What's the historical reason for the bent down peg box? To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Stephen Stubbs fartrea...@gmail.com, Lute

[LUTE] Re: What's the historical reason for the bent down peg box?

2012-09-03 Thread tom
, 3/9/12, Edward Mast nedma...@aol.com wrote: From: Edward Mast nedma...@aol.com Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: What's the historical reason for the bent down peg box? To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Date: Monday, 3 September, 2012, 14:48 Well, so much

[LUTE] Re: What's the historical reason for the bent down peg box?

2012-09-03 Thread howard posner
On Sep 3, 2012, at 7:58 PM, t...@heartistrymusic.com wrote: I mentioned this to a friend who is not a musician, but a brilliant scientist. His immediate reaction was that the sharp angle of the string going over the nut to a right angle pegbox would have the same effect as a pulley in

[LUTE] Re: What's the historical reason for the bent down peg box?

2012-09-02 Thread Edward Mast
Would the joint of the peg box with the neck withstand the pressure of 13 or more strings were the peg box not angled as it is? I don't think so. On Sep 2, 2012, at 10:00 AM, Stephen Stubbs wrote: I was embarrassed when I realized I didn't know the historical reason to this question put

[LUTE] Re: What's the historical reason for the bent down peg box?

2012-09-02 Thread Martyn Hodgson
: [LUTE] Re: What's the historical reason for the bent down peg box? To: Stephen Stubbs fartrea...@gmail.com Cc: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Sunday, 2 September, 2012, 15:23 Would the joint of the peg box with the neck withstand the pressure of 13 or more strings

[LUTE] Re: What's the historical reason for the bent down peg box?

2012-09-02 Thread Sean Smith
I had always assumed it was to play better in groups whether instrumentalists, singers or others just standing around. Less, jabbingly, so to speak. By 1500 tradition cemented the idea in the common mind that that was 'how a lute's shaped' perhaps in keeping with its history of the oud. It

[LUTE] Re: What's the historical reason for the bent down peg box?

2012-09-02 Thread Edward Mast
...@aol.com wrote: From: Edward Mast nedma...@aol.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: What's the historical reason for the bent down peg box? To: Stephen Stubbs fartrea...@gmail.com Cc: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Sunday, 2 September, 2012, 15:23 Would the joint

[LUTE] Re: What's the historical reason for the bent down peg box?

2012-09-02 Thread Sean Smith
Keeping the bass string in its groove sounds good to me, Alan. I have a ren guitar w/ an issue like that sometimes. On Sep 2, 2012, at 9:23 AM, Alan Hoyle wrote: My guess was that, in the early days of the lute, string tensions were low, particularly in the case of bass strings; by

[LUTE] Re: What's the historical reason for the bent down peg box?

2012-09-02 Thread howard posner
On Sep 2, 2012, at 9:44 AM, Edward Mast wrote: But I am indeed surprised if the theorbo has its peg box and neck extension glued to the main neck where they join and yet supports the tension . Some theorbos, at least, are built this way, and the string tension actually helps hold the

[LUTE] Re: What's the historical reason for the bent down peg box?

2012-09-02 Thread nigelsolomon
On 02/09/2012 17:55, howard posner wrote: On Sep 2, 2012, at 9:44 AM, Edward Mast wrote: But I am indeed surprised if the theorbo has its peg box and neck extension glued to the main neck where they join and yet supports the tension . Some theorbos, at least, are built this way, and the

[LUTE] Re: What's the historical reason for the bent down peg box?

2012-09-02 Thread Edward Mast
Ah, perhaps something like a tongue and groove joint. I could see this working. On Sep 2, 2012, at 12:55 PM, howard posner wrote: On Sep 2, 2012, at 9:44 AM, Edward Mast wrote: But I am indeed surprised if the theorbo has its peg box and neck extension glued to the main neck where they