Nancy and All,
Not only are the high notes playable, they sound good.
Jim
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From: Nancy Carlin
Date: 5/14/18 3:26 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Lutelist Net
Subject: [LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND
If you want to understand and/or try MT (1/4 or 1/6/ comma) on your
Renaissance lute, here is a small DIY I wote some years ago:
[1]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com/mean-tone-temperament-for-lute/
I did something similar for Pythagorean tuning (pure fifths, good for
Medieval musi
Thanks Martin, this is really one of the most concise tuning
explanations I have read to date!
As for lute fretting:
In Lüdtke/Schlegel's book it is shown why there are problems with
different tunings on the lute, resulting in offset frets on different
courses.
What I have seen lutists do
On 14.05.2018 21:12, Martin Shepherd wrote:
Hi All,
Without wishing to prolong a kind of flame war on ET versus everything else,
having written the following by way of explanation to someone it occurred to me
that it might be useful for others (I've noticed that some people seem to
assume tha
I have read Dolata's book two years ago and found it horribly boring.
His mathematical background is that of a schoolboy and I did not manage to read
the whole book - I always fell asleep...
But this certainly does not mean that everything that he writes is nonsense as
the reviewer - apparently
A quite comprehensive and masterful demonstration, Martin !
Thank you !!!
Best wishes,
Jean-Marie
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>Hi All,
>
>Without wishing to prolong a kind of flame war on ET versus everything
>else, having written the following by way of explanation to someone it
>occurred to me that it m
Martyn Hodgson
Date: 5/13/18 5:51 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: Andreas Schlegel , Lutelist Net
Subject: [LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND
SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES
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Hi All,
Without wishing to prolong a kind of flame war on ET versus everything
else, having written the following by way of explanation to someone it
occurred to me that it might be useful for others (I've noticed that
some people seem to assume that the fifths and even thirds are perfect
in
> On May 13, 2018, at 5:58 PM, jslute wrote:
>
> My smartphone, which thinks it can spell better than I do,
> unaccountably changed "consort" to "comfort."
It’s not unaccountable, Jim. It’s what autocorrect does. Its sole function is
to make literate people look silly.
Do let your smartas
PM (GMT-05:00)
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND
SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES
You beat me to it. I was going to comment on the rarity of the words
'cittern', 'tuning' and
... Indeed, he. Time passed silently while they fretted equally for
their future. "I'm afraid we must no longer consort together," he
blurted in his perversely mean tone, jumped to the coda and left.
The night persisted in storming darkly while tears flowed from her
springs, her hear
> On May 13, 2018, at 2:16 PM, David van Ooijen
> wrote:
>
> You beat me to it. I was going to comment on the rarity of the words
> 'cittern', 'tuning' and 'comfort' in one paragraph.
Chapter One
It was a dark and stormy night outside on the heath outside the Wallace
mansion, but the bea
> On May 13, 2018, at 2:51 AM, Martyn Hodgson
> wrote:
>
> Otterstedt's very fine review of Dolata's book in Early Music (December 2017)
> does indeed present a very welcome demolition of the current modern fashion
> for promoting meantone tunings on the lute.
Demolition? Really? Getting th
You beat me to it. I was going to comment on the rarity of the words
'cittern', 'tuning' and 'comfort' in one paragraph.
David
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On Sun, 13
> On May 13, 2018, at 5:19 AM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> There is plenty of surviving evidence of every perversion, but that doesn’t
> imply any aesthetic value thereof.
“Perversion” means deviation from normal practice. Unequal fretting of
citterns and bandoras appears to have been uni
t the end of my earlier
message does not seem to have come through. Here it is again in two
versions.
MH
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sions.
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND
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Dear Andreas,
Yes - Otterstedt's very fine
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> Subject: [LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AN
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There’s a very big diffrence between the very long sounding metal strings and
the instrumente with gut strings, which can be heard in orchestras only with
the attack and very rarely with the sound.
Andreas
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citterns were frequently played in comforts with lutes.
Jim
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Original message
From: Martyn Hodgson
Date: 5/13/18 5:51 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: Andreas Schlegel , Lutelist Net
Subject: [LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING
important, so I hope you won't mind me copying this reply
to the wider list.
regards,
Martyn
From: Andreas Schlegel
To: Martyn Hodgson
Sent: Saturday, 12 May 2018, 9:26
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: LUTE TUNING AND TEMPERAMENT IN THE SIXTEENTH AND
SEVENTEENTH,CENTURIES
Dear Martyn,
OK, I understand; you don't like keyboards.
Best,
Matthew
On 12/05/2018 15:21, Ron Andrico wrote:
Think about it. With the lute, we have an instrument that is
simplicity itself. Tuning pegs are within reach and frets are easily
adjustable if one has to play near wind instruments or
"Let me just open the window to get some fresh air in" - "Noo!!!"
How stable is such a fine tuning? Any experience?
How do harpsichords perform in "historical" settings with original
windows and walls compared to modern room climates?
Seriously, 36 keys is pretty overkill...
Even the f
I agree with the idea that equal temperament was probably used by lutenists in
the 16th century but how do you come to the conclusion that keyboard
instruments lack flexibility for tuning compared to lutes? I would have thought
exactly the contrary. There is a tuning pin for every note and some
Similarly the focus on the 'old' lute tuning, ignores the
special considerations which must be made for the new lute tunings
(especially the Dm tuning) which require very good unison tuning to the
next higher open course on three adjacent frets (third, fourth and
fifth) - as fre
Can we put this link up on G and D
Dissertation by Adam Weed, Lute Tuning and Temperament in the Sixteenth
and Seventeenth Centuries (title in italics)
I have no idea if this is well known:
https://scholarworks.iu.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/2022/18424/Wead%2C%20Adam%20%28DM%20EMI%29.pdf
Sorry this went to the wrong place.
Nancy
Dissertation by Adam Weed, Lute Tuning and Temperament in the Sixteenth
and Seventeenth Centuries (title in italics)
I have no idea if this is well known:
https://scholarworks.iu.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/2022/18424/Wead%2C%20Adam%20%28DM%20EMI%29
Dear lute netters,
I have no idea if this is well known:
https://scholarworks.iu.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/2022/18424/Wead%2C%20Adam%20%28DM%20EMI%29.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
Rainer
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A question perhaps better posed on a bowed string forum, but I'm confident
someone here can help me. When tuning my cello with a Korg chromatic
electronic tuner, what pitches am I tuning to? Is it tempered tuning? The
reason I ask is that though I usually tune the A string from the tuner and
Friends bought this in Boliva, anybody knows how it's tuned?
David
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like the notes in the video,
and they match on the tuner what I've read about standard baroque lute
tuning.
Now, my question is about the pegs and the proper way to turn them.
At first it seemed that the pegs were impossible to turn at all. In
some cases, turning it the opposite way (lowerin
Dear luthenists
A friend gave me an amusing tuning fork, which is clearly of
some age.
I am not (here) in a position to be able to load a photo of it, but it
fits into a tight wooden case, and at the end of this there is a hollow
metal peg. I quickly realized that if you p
Hello everybody.
I have a tuning problem with my lute, which I don't know how to solve. I have
got 8-course lute, G-tuning, 572 mm bridge to nut. My fifth course (C) consists
of Nylgut 56 and wounded NG 112D (octave difference). After fine tuning the
"untouched" course (both in tune, c+C), the
The answer, which many seem to be very reluctant to accept despite the clear
evidence, is to play one of these small theorboes in nominal A or G but with
just the first course tuned down the octave.
However, as others have also pointed out, the bass register especially will
be si
Dear Benjamin,
Thanks for the advice. The problems I have with A=440 and A-415 are very
much to do with my particular instrument. The long neck for the diapasons is
very thin and delicate - probably slightly too thin - so increasing the
tension without changing the strings could cause damage.
Dear Howard,
Yes. I tuned the theorbo down to G in 1995 for Purcell concerts involving
music in flat keys. However, to be safe, I resorted to copying the music out
in tablature. I can happily read figured bass on a G lute and an A theorbo,
but when I swap the tunings around, mistakes start to
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Subject: [LUTE] tuning blues
Bad tuning karma weekend. Saturday Alexander's Feast by Handel. Baroque
orchestra at 415 Valotti. Who invented Valotti? Not a lute player I
presume. In the break we had to move to anoth
Just found a very interesting interactive educational website dealing with
tuning:
http://www.j2b.co.uk/tuning/index.html
Hope it helps those who need it (like me!).
Regards
Leonard Williams
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>> > But, If a guitarist wants to play Bach or Weiss, he or she
>> > shouldn't be discouraged.
>> I think they should be, by any means possible.
>> Moreover shey should sign an affidavit by which they'd promise not
>> to come within a 100 yard radius of any pre-1800's music. They can do
>> Carculli
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Date: Friday, May 5, 2006 3:48 pm
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Baroque lute tuning for Bach "lute"(?) works.
> > But, If a guitarist wants to play Bach or Weiss, he or she
> > shouldn't be discouraged.
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From: Ken Brodkey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, May 5, 2006 3:04 pm
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Baroque lute tuning for Bach "lute"(?) works.
> But, If a guitarist wants to play Bach or Weiss, he or she
> shouldn't be
> discouraged. The m
I want to thank all of you because your very interesting comments in this
thread. My only purpose was to tell about I'm a bit astonished in my very
short experience as baroque lutenist -less than 2 months- by the fact that
playing Bach "lute" works in a baroque lute is not as simple as I could
hope
Dear Juan,
thanks for your post. It's interesting to see what tunings Yepes used to try to
make the
works more idiomatic in playing. I noticed that not all of his tunings are on
the fancy
side, 995, 999 and 1000 are in the usual tuning and for 996 he has just tuned
the
whole lute one tone up
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> From: Roman Turovsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 5:40 AM
> To: lutelist; Juan Fco. Prieto
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Baroque lute tuning for Bach "lute"(?) works.
>
>
> The problem with guitar is that its very sound is profoun
jump to the Baroque
lute, something like this seems like a reasonable alternative.
Ken Brodkey
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Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 5:40 AM
To: lutelist; Juan Fco. Prieto
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Baroque lute tuning for Bach "lute"(
On Friday, May 5, 2006, at 08:43 America/Los_Angeles, Roman Turovsky
wrote:
>> I was no purist at the time, but I thought Yepes' performance brought
>> a
>> new meaning to the word "choppy."
> But still smooth, compared to Podolsky.
Probably true, though if my memory of Podolsky's recordings se
Question regarding the lute "suites" in general. Why
is it that everyone refers to all of these works as
"suites?" The g minor and e minor suites as just
that. BWV 1006a, however, is an arrangement of the
solo violin PARTITA in E major (We don't call it a
Violin Suite do we?) and the c minor wor
Juan Fco. Prieto wrote:
> A good try and approaching in any
> case, but detested by purists, obviously.
I was no purist at the time, but I thought Yepes' performance brought a
new meaning to the word "choppy."
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> Dear lutenists:
> I'm posting these two images containing the tuning used by Narciso Yepes
> to
> play Bach lute works.
>
> http://personales.ya.com/jfppal/Afinaciones_Bach_Yepes_01.jpg
> http://personales.ya.com/jfppal/Afinaciones_Bach_Yepes_02.jpg
>
> This is hard to find and comes from the vi
Dear lutenists:
I'm posting these two images containing the tuning used by Narciso Yepes to
play Bach lute works.
http://personales.ya.com/jfppal/Afinaciones_Bach_Yepes_01.jpg
http://personales.ya.com/jfppal/Afinaciones_Bach_Yepes_02.jpg
This is hard to find and comes from the vinyl version bookl
Hello again,
regarding my question about a review of the Violab Pitchman tuning machine,
I've found it!
It's in Lute News 74 (July 2005), by Chris Goodwin himself.
The magazine was buried under a staple of books...
regards,
Manolo Laguillo
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Are there any 17th-century documents or other evidence on tunings used for
fretted continuo instruments when playing with a keyboard instrument?
And what is the current practice when playing with a meantone keyboard?
Thanks,
Dennis
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>
>
> But that leads me to a question for you all. How did they know?
>
> In the absence of modern measuring equipment how could one tell the actual
> frequency of the vibrations?
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