> my interest in early country music stems from something i once read
> about how music which evolved in the cities during the renaissance
> totally eclipsed the interest that was formerly paid to music from the
> country - cantigas de santa maria, llibre vermell, etc..
What's so rustic about these
> characteristics of this music. i imagine that country music in one
> country sounded pretty much like country music in another. keeping in
> mind the simple types of instruments that country people in europe had
> at the time and the unsophisticated melodies they usually produce, it
> was proba
> "happy-clappy"
> pilgrim songs
I think you superimposed the mood of "First Abyssinian Baptist Church,
Somewhere in Alabama, USA" on mediaeval Europe..
RT
my understanding is that alfonso x collected these songs from both
local sources and from pilgrims passing by.
i think national identity developed over time but i would bet that a
bag pipe or a shepherd's flute in the 14th cent. sounded pretty much
the same in umbria as it did in northumbria.
> i think national identity developed over time
Some identities have been around a long time, and musical identities as
well. The Age of TV will probably obliterate them.
but i would bet that a
> bag pipe or a shepherd's flute in the 14th cent. sounded pretty much
> the same in umbria as it did
Roman,
> Europe is not Nashville, national musics were/are extremely distinct in
> character and the melodies they produce are far from unsophisticated,
spiced
> with local intervals, often in unusual meters.
> RT
Perhaps I missed something on this thread, and I hesitate to make a strong
statemen
Actually, Roman, the "First Abyssinian Baptist Church" was in NYC. The long
term preacher was the late Congressman Adam Clayton Powell, representative
from the Harlem district. His clerical attainments and tour in the Congress
were somewhat diminished by questions as to his use of Church funds and
jon - buy you a drink?
On Giovedì, mar 25, 2004, at 07:07 Europe/Rome, Jon Murphy wrote:
> Roman,
>
>> Europe is not Nashville, national musics were/are extremely distinct
>> in
>> character and the melodies they produce are far from unsophisticated,
> spiced
>> with local intervals, often in unu
> mediaeval Europe..
>
let's leave the media out of this
> mediaeval Europe..
>
let's leave the media out of this
And see what's left!
Ron (UK)
Hi Jon and all,
on Thursday 25 March 2004 08:07, Jon Murphy wrote:
>[...] In fact
> almost all American folk is of European origin, Almost all, but not
> all. The native Indian melodies have an oriental scale structure,
> they aren't the drum and chant of the Western movies. And the music
> o
-Original Message-
From: Arto Wikla [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 5:23 AM
To: Jon Murphy
Cc: lute society
Subject: Re: early country music
Hi Jon and all,
on Thursday 25 March 2004 08:07, Jon Murphy wrote:
>[...] In fact
> almost all American folk
> Perhaps I missed something on this thread, and I hesitate to make a strong
> statement as I normally assume that people speak as gentlemen. But I find
> the above comment offensive.
Jon, you remind me of an old proverb about Vikings. In the days of yore when
a Norseman would misunderstand somethi
Buy him one of Grappa di Moscato "Bocchino". Knob Creek is nice too, but to
broaden the horizons, sai
RT
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http://turovsky.org
http://polyhymnion.org
> jon - buy you a drink?
> On Giovedi' 25, 2004, at 07:07 Europe/Rome, Jon Murphy wrote:
>
Sorry Arto,
> I would not underestimate the African influence on American music...
A slip of the mind, the African should be in the category of "imported",
like the European. My excuse is that I was fixated on the "Appalachian back
porch". The meld can be magnificent (and also can be awful ).
Be
Oh my Garry,
What a wonderful link! I've only scanned it, but it is added to my IE
"favorites" so I can explore it at leisure. The resident musicologist goes
back into an area I know a bit, but not as he does. I was searching for a
term for the music I was referring to, and carefully avoided using
> I would not underestimate the African influence on American music...
ditto, and I would not underestimate the European and American
influences on African musics, not to mention the influences from the
Asian subcontinent.
>> I would not underestimate the African influence on American music...
>
> ditto, and I would not underestimate the European and American
> influences on African musics, not to mention the influences from the
> Asian subcontinent.
Which one?
RT
Re European influence on African Music.
I recently heard an NPR program on Sacred Harp music which is a rare singing
tradition from southern US churches. It is a shaped note method and it struck
me that it sounds Very similar to South African choirs. And in fact sounds
Very much like English
On Venerdì, mar 26, 2004, at 19:33 Europe/Rome, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> Re European influence on African Music.
> I recently heard an NPR program on Sacred Harp music which is a rare
> singing
> tradition from southern US churches. It is a shaped note method and
> it struck
> me that it sou
Yes,
> Re European influence on African Music.
> I recently heard an NPR program on Sacred Harp music which is a rare
singing
> tradition from southern US churches. It is a shaped note method and it
struck
> me that it sounds Very similar to South African choirs. And in fact
sounds
> Very much l
jon - i'll bow to your superior knowledge of american history and the
sequence of it. i mentioned convicts because i seem to remember that
georgia was populated by convicts at one time (don't know why but
ogilvey comes to mind).
i do know that the word renegade come from indentured servants t
> jon - i'll bow to your superior knowledge of american history and the
> sequence of it. i mentioned convicts because i seem to remember that
> georgia was populated by convicts at one time (don't know why but
> ogilvey comes to mind).
Not only Georgia. At least 2 Defoe novels deal extensively wi
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From: bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 8:35 AM
To: Jon Murphy
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Roman Turovsky;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: early country music
i mentioned convicts because i seem to remember that
georgia was
isn't russia still the greatest country of the world?
Thomas
Am Son, 2004-03-28 um 16.14 schrieb Roman Turovsky:
> > jon - i'll bow to your superior knowledge of american history and the
> > sequence of it. i mentioned convicts because i seem to remember that
> > georgia was populated by convic
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> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 8:35 AM
> To: Jon Murphy
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> Subject: Re: early country music
>
>
>
>
> i mentioned convicts because i seem to remember that
> georgia was p
> isn't russia still the greatest country of the world?
It has a reasonable chance to become one. For the first time in 400 years
the Russians are a majority in their own state.
RT
> The Brass Monkey
>
> In the heyday of sailing ships, all war ships and many freighters
> carried iron cannons. Those cannons fired round iron cannon balls. It
> was necessary to keep a good supply near the cannon, but they had to
> find a way to prevent them from rolling about the deck.
>
> T
This is what's called "folk etymology." Beware acronymic explanations of
words that have been in the language for a long time (the OED records
written uses of "shit" in the 1300's, and it was undoubtedly around before
the Norman conquest) particularly when they're based on such obviously
strained
d, presumably because when you count animals, you count
> their heads.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Stewart.
>
>
> - Original Message -----
> From: "Garry Bryan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 3:45 PM
> Subject
> Lest we stray too far from our usual subject matter, I would say
> that our word catgut for strings has nothing to do with cats. Gut
> strings are made from the guts of sheep. Nowadays we think of the
> word "cattle" as meaning lots of cows, but not many people realise
> that it can have the mean
ies of the Sailing Directions
and Orders of the time. If you are ever caught in a square rigger without
room to "wear ship" or to "tack", drop me a line and I'll tell you how to
"box haul" her .
Best, Jon (and let's make sure the Chanty man has a lute).
Fr
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