Re: Tempo / Performance speed

2004-06-17 Thread Thomas Schall
music. (Sorry--no further > details on hand.) > Regards, > Leonard Williams > > From: Ed Durbrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2004/06/11 Fri PM 08:57:47 EDT > To: lute list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Tempo / Performance speed > > > > > -- --

Re: Tempo / Performance speed

2004-06-16 Thread James A Stimson
Dear All: I have a recording of a piano roll made by Maurice Ravel himself playing his "Pavane pour une infante defunte." He seems to be playing it way too fast! Yours, Jim

Re: Tempo / Performance speed

2004-06-16 Thread arckon
liams From: Ed Durbrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 2004/06/11 Fri PM 08:57:47 EDT To: lute list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Tempo / Performance speed --

Re: Tempo / Performance speed

2004-06-13 Thread Jon Murphy
eographed dance of today, where everyone takes lessons). Best, Jon - Original Message - From: "Thomas Schall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ed Durbrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "lute list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 5:29 AM Subj

Re: Tempo / Performance speed

2004-06-13 Thread Jon Murphy
Isabelle, Thanks, quite informative to see the translations of the time. May I attempt to summarize the two passages? I think both of your authors are saying that there is an art to music, and there is a craft. And that some players who don't have the art cover that by impressing with their craft

Re: Tempo / Performance speed

2004-06-12 Thread isabelle villey
> > >What is the consensus on tempo? Did "they" play the > >lute pieces slower than "us"? > It is difficult to answer this question because there are very few theoretical documents about the tempo of performance. However, I had a look to Juan Bermudo's Declaración (1555), and I think we can

Re: Tempo / Performance speed

2004-06-12 Thread Thomas Schall
I read Toby's mail as if he would suggest a certain liberty regarding the speed of a piece even *within* a piece (agogic). I don't think this is a good idea to incorporate in renaissance music. As far as I know the idea of "music as speach" first appeared in the french baroque. Here it could work

Re: Tempo / Performance speed

2004-06-11 Thread Jon Murphy
Toby, Nicely said. Best, Jon - Original Message - From: "Toby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "G.R. Crona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "lute" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 1:56 PM Subject: Re: Tempo / Performance speed > G.R.

Re: Tempo / Performance speed

2004-06-11 Thread Jon Murphy
Vance and Ed, I had promised myself to stop commenting so often, but Vance's comments bring back a memory. I was trained musically by an old curmudgeon, the church choirmaster in the Episcopal church in a small town in New Jersey. I joined the choir at age 10 in 1945, not for the glory of God or t

Re: Tempo / Performance speed

2004-06-11 Thread Jon Murphy
I think it was in the early thirties that a piece was written by Hoagie Carmichael, it was basically in rag time. I've heard the original. It didn't work, but at a new tempo it became a classic called Stardust (and as Hoagie played it it wasn't the draggy smaltzy piece that it became later, it reta

Re: Tempo / Performance speed

2004-06-11 Thread Ed Durbrow
At 10:41 PM +0200 04/6/10, G.R. Crona wrote: >suddenly >realize, that (for me) much of the music actually gains in "stature" by not >being played too fast (cf. La compagna). Of course a piece like f. ex. >Dlugoraj's "Finale" is meant to be played fast, but have others had similar >experience, and i

Re: Tempo / Performance speed

2004-06-11 Thread Vance Wood
w" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Vance Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 5:46 AM Subject: Re: Tempo / Performance speed > At 10:41 PM +0200 04/6/10, G.R. Crona wrote: > >suddenly > >realize, that (for me) much of the music actually gains in &

Re: Tempo / Performance speed

2004-06-11 Thread Toby
G.R. Crona wrote: > Hi gang, > > I'm playing some "golden age" and Milano at the moment, and suddenly > realize, that (for me) much of the music actually gains in "stature" by not > being played too fast (cf. La compagna). For me, playing music is quite like speaking. When speaking, I can just

Re: Tempo / Performance speed

2004-06-11 Thread "Mathias Rösel"
"bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > what does "otoh" and "voice leading" mean? sorry, abreviations are a disease, too. I've come to learn that OTOH means On The Other Hand. Voice-leading is the way parts or voices of a piece are led (going up or down, or repeating a tone). It is conditioned by

Re: Tempo / Performance speed

2004-06-11 Thread bill
i've tried to find the source but no luck. i'll try later. i remember seeing someone with st. vitus dance when i was very young - a wonder to behold. the dance i'm talking about, however came more from misery than any early music saturday night fever. more than likely the plague had somethi

Re: Tempo / Performance speed

2004-06-11 Thread "Mathias Rösel"
"bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > i've found that slower is better. a question of individual taste i suppose but > stately > play without forcing the volume sounds right. my experience, too. OTOH, this way forces you to precisely keep up with the beat, i.e. more precisely than with more spe

Re: Tempo / Performance speed

2004-06-10 Thread Vance Wood
sday, June 10, 2004 1:41 PM Subject: Tempo / Performance speed > Hi gang, > > I'm playing some "golden age" and Milano at the moment, and suddenly > realize, that (for me) much of the music actually gains in "stature" by not > being played too fast (cf. La compagn

Re: Tempo / Performance speed

2004-06-10 Thread bill
i don't play anywhere near the amount of material that most of you play or have access to, but for the little i do play i've found that slower is better. a question of individual taste i suppose but stately play without forcing the volume sounds right. also, playing with a stiffish plectrum te

Tempo / Performance speed

2004-06-10 Thread G.R. Crona
Hi gang, I'm playing some "golden age" and Milano at the moment, and suddenly realize, that (for me) much of the music actually gains in "stature" by not being played too fast (cf. La compagna). Of course a piece like f. ex. Dlugoraj's "Finale" is meant to be played fast, but have others had simil